Banlist.nl Usernames

[Limi]

If you use the banlist program, just reply with your accounts nickname so we can share all the bans we have gathered over the time.

Account Names:

Limited
Quietus
AcidUK
Afty
Dan7
BonkersJC
DiscoStu
Ripps0r
Dentist

[Azerth]

Hold up there with your banlist.
It's a good idea in theory, but some people are WAAAAY too ban happy. I have seen people banned for d/cing even by accident, for picking a "broken" character and even for killing the host :/ TDA rules are all well and good but that pesky blue guy always finds something.

[Bonkers]

True but since we all play together - we all usually ban for the same thing - apart from Quietus :P

[Baz]

russian = ban

[Killy]

Originally Posted by Bonkers

True but since we all play together - we all usually ban for the same thing - apart from Quietus :P

yeah but Acid really is a cock
<3

[Lucifa]

Originally Posted by Azerth

Hold up there with your banlist.
It's a good idea in theory, but some people are WAAAAY too ban happy. I have seen people banned for d/cing even by accident, for picking a "broken" character and even for killing the host :/ TDA rules are all well and good but that pesky blue guy always finds something.

Thankfully we are not TDA and don't play by their rules.

[her0n]

Anyone can ban if they have banlist running, not just the blue slot.

In a game we played the other night, murphybob was the techies and was playing suicide tactics (very well actually!). He got a lot of kills against one particular player and this guy was crying noob so much he actually banned mbob and eventually quit. Was pretty funny but a prime example of what is not a bannable offence imo.

Also how is someone to know if a leaver has left by accidental disconnection or they've pulled the plug? Even if it was 'accidental', they'd still lag out and I would personally still ban, as it suggests they don't have a stable connection (or can't be bothered to turn off their downloads) and I don't want to play with people who lag the game out

[Bluey]

When the game crashes i think you don't get the "leaver detected" sound effect but you can generally tell by how the game's going if they've left on purpose or not, and no matter how many greeks and russians you kick there are always laggers to ban. Though if it gets bad we use this little widget to find their ip and the do the old: route add x.x.x.x 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.99 trick on the hosts machine to get rid of them permanently. Works well on the terminally bad in dm's as well

[AcidUK]

Originally Posted by Killy

yeah but Acid really is a cock
<3

I'm going to cover you in wax strips as you sleep @ stratlan.

[Quietus]

So much <3 Acid. You are proving my point with every word.

Banlist username: Quietus

[Anim]

personally i despise the idea and implementation of banlist. Theres lots of people who there ban the entire opposing team for winning, banlist = worst idea ever.

[Killy]

hence why you have approved banlists
it's not as bad as everyone going "wah we lost ban entire team"
but then again we only use each others banlist and/or host ourselves so we don't care too much

[Quietus]

Originally Posted by Anim

personally i despise the idea and implementation of banlist. Theres lots of people who there ban the entire opposing team for winning, banlist = worst idea ever.

Right... so by doing that it means you (being one of the banned people) never has to play a game with that person again. Seems like a good idea to me.

[Andy^]

I don't have a banlist as such but was pubbin' just now with a guy called MatrixLord... got, think the dude's capslock was perminantly stuck down because he only typed in said caps, also winged & bitched about going solo in a -dmar game when he got Rikimaru straight away. Needless to say he actually got binned fairly quickly on that hero but then went on to be very, very annoying and as we were winning he was rubbing it in rather needlessly.

-Andy

[AcidUK]

My username is AcidUK btw

[Afty]

Banlist username is "Afty"

It's an excellent tool, but I really wish someone would get a community-backed GOODLIST going instead, would be far better.

[Semajal]

If someone leaves when they are doing well then i assume accident, if they leave when they are getting raped then assume plugger

[Dan]

Username : Dan7

[Maximumweasel]

Not sure why they don't have the opposite to a ban list, like a recommendation list.

Everytime you don't leave a game you get a plue point, every time you do leave a game you get negative point (alter values by all means) then you select people on percentage score.

Problem with it as it stands any idiot can ban someone and that'll stick even if the banner is being a nob and the bannee hasn't actually done anything wrong.

Had someone idiot try to ban Murphybob for not banning someone else who came into a lane and killed a tower they were 'working on'.

I sorta see banlist games as a deterant than as of any use. I have to say I haven't seen many people join a game and have them appear on a banlist; with the number of leavers out there I'd thought bnet would be swimming with them.

[Dentist]

They do MXW.

Also, i normally get 1-2 people a game appear on my banlist while i'm hosting.
Even if the banner bans someone, its only them and anyone who has chosen to use their banlist who will have this entry. If someone bans me for a pathetic reason, i'm glad i wont have to play in any games with them anymore.

[Maximumweasel]

Isn't the problem more that the banlist is shared?
So if Idiot A bans you for having skillz and shares it like some sort of venereal disease to non-idiot users they'll kick you because they assume you've been banned for being a tit.
I thought people tried to spread banlists universally, or am I incorrect and are they only shared locally between friends.

I've not seen this positive feedback banlist, fairly sure the one Anna uses is negative only.

[Afty]

Originally Posted by maximumweasel

I thought people tried to spread banlists universally, or am I incorrect and are they only shared locally between friends.

Yeah, that's how it works except for the "approved" bans list, which is maintained by a very small number of trusted admins.

Originally Posted by maximumweasel

I've not seen this positive feedback banlist, fairly sure the one Anna uses is negative only.

Yeah, I can't FIND it either, but I really would like to use it, it seems like a FAR better concept than banlist (though if you could ban using CD key, Banlist would be fine) in a world where users can change their name at will.

[Quietus]

It's on goodlist.nl

And yes, if you are banned by someone who is then trusted by someone else (i.e. they grab their banlist) then you have a problem. However, this is rarely an issue as banlists are not shared that widely. You will only have real problems getting games if you end up on either a NSG (northrend sharing group) or Approve Host banlist. If you do end up on those banlists, you can get your ban downgraded to a comment through discussing it with them on the forums and/or playing some games with them.

I get 3-4 banlisted players per game I host, usually. Yes, I have to keep banning more and more people as new accounts are an issue but I really don't see a way around that. False bans are not the huge problem. The huge problem is the ability to create new accounts so easily. There needs to be a way of making it awkward to create new accounts to work around bans.

[Maximumweasel]

That will unfortunately never happen because dota is not part of the 'blizzard franchise' so to speak.

You can talk about support and popularity all you like, but the only thing blizzard supports in this sort of thing is it's own ladder ranking in stardard WC3.

This is why a goodlist so to speak would be so much better: if you get banned you can create a new account, but you can't create an account that has a load of 'brownie points' so to speak. They'd be no way around it other than to not be a tit or to steal someone else's account.

[Afty]

Goodlist doesn't really "work" - however the points scoring system side of it is being integrated (and the separate goodlist application deprecated) into 3.2 (I think) of banlist, so you can achieve what you want with the next release of banlist.

Canae wait!

[Maximumweasel]

I suppose the way to do it would be log every player at the start with +100then if they leave remove points (say 50, we hate leavers), maybe -10 for drops.

The plus with this sort of game is you could dock or give extra points for people who are crap/good so when someone joins a game you have a bit more to go on than 'are they a leaver'.

You'd need a way of regulating how much you can give some one, i.e. one +10 points for being good per game to avoid friends just spamming each other. Or the easiest way I suppose is one player can only recommend another X times a week.

Then total score = total points over games played.

Anyway enough theory craft, back to work

[Dentist]

FYI, banning by IP is much more successful than account name. I think Acid actually went thro and made an application or found one for what i've been doing by hand, so poke him :P

[Maximumweasel]

Yeah I've heard about IP-based banlists. I've also heard about IP release renew hax, but I'm not network minded enough to know whether that works or not.

And while IP based banlists gets around multiple accounts it still treats genuine accidental drops in the same league as leavers, which stills weighs on my mind so.

No really, it does.

[Dentist]

If your on a static IP with most broadband providers, i was under the impression it was too much hassle to get a new IP every time you want to dodge a ban. If your on a dynamic IP and you change usernames then there isnt much you can do about it.

You still have to chose whether to ban someone or not. If you dont trust people in the MPUK community not to ban in what you feel are the correct circumstances, then dont use their banlist

[Maximumweasel]

Yeah I'm really thinking on a more hypothetical level. Although fallout often leads to...

Daemord is on Quietus' Banlist for being a whiney ho on the 04/04/06
Quietus is on Daemord's Banlist for being a whiney ho on the 04/04/06

:P

Just pulled two names that sprung to mind when I put the words "dota" and the phrase "Internal feuding" together.