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robinxe
8th April 2002, 16:14
OK, I stopped readon the "official response" thread when I encountered far too much bs for even my bs-retardant personality to handle, and it seems that was even before I got to all the flames which are supposedly on there.

Let me first of all point out that I have no real preferance whether PA is at future i-events or not, I will still find a way to meet up with the people I like in the community and have a laugh. I like, respect and get on well with every member of MPUK staff I have met, and therefore have no interest in insulting or criticising any of them personally. However, I do take exception to the way this whole charade has been played out, being a firm supporter of the rare commodities known as "truth" and "fair play".

It seems patently obvious to me that the real issue we are looking at here is a shortfall in MPUK's staffing levels and qualifications. Allow me to elaborate:

One has to ask, what is the purpose of security, at an event like this or anywhere? The obvious answer is a person or persons responsible for ensuring no "rules" are broken, be those the rules of the event or the laws of the land. This requires as much a degree of prevention as of reaction.

I myself have worked for security in the student union at the University of Birmingham, and have commented before on the notable "understaffing" of security at i-events. Even at nights with less than half the attendees of an i-event we would not opperate without, I would estimate, at least four to five times the number of security staff evident at i-events. This allows entrances and exits to be manned, as well as regular patrols to be mounted, and by the very constant presence of security personnel incidents are prevented. This also means security staff are also close to hand to react and diffuse a situation before it escalates to "criminal" level.

To blame a gaming community for the transgressions of any proportion of its members in a situation such as this is beyond ludicrous. MPUK, not any individual community, is responsible for supplying security to an event, and so when a breach of security occurs there is only one place to look when apportioning blame. Is this really such an abstract concept to grasp?

Furthermore, the obvious issue of theft and vandalism is not the only shortfall of staffing levels, vigilance and qualification:

The, by now well known, "cards" that were circulated at the event, while possibly not offensive to some, or even any, of the attendees, are clearly in contravention of the MPUK rule of "no pornography" so well-touted at the events, coming clearly under the legal definition of "softcore pornography". While many may make light of it, were I the parent of a 13 year old child, I would not want them exposed to such material. As an aside, on a business level, it seems unusual that MPUK would let people advertise at their events without a degree of vetting and remuneration. When someone walks in with a stack of pornographic cards the security staff should challenge and diffuse the situation before it gets to the stage of having to recall the cards from every single desk at the event.

Yet another shortfall, the presence of qualified first-aiders amongst the staff at the event. I know of 2 urgent first-aid cases arising at the event. In the first an ambulace was called, I contest unnecessarily, to asses the condition of someone who had had too much to drink. Had anyone been on hand with the necessary first aid training, and had assesed his vital signs, situation and responsiveness, this ambulance, at expense to the service and to other more urgent calls, would not have been necessary.

In the second instance a young man fell and suffered cuts and bruises. I myself, a qualified first-aider but considerably inebriated at this point, had to tend this patient. To their credit the MPUK staff were able to provide a First Aid kit, however, to their detriment it contained none of the equipment I was looking for to treat his injuries, and required considerable improvisation to make use of. Even assesing his condition and enquiring as to whether he had hit his head to rule out possible concussion was beyond the first aid skills present in the staff.

Granted both these instances invoved members of the PA community, but had a CS player fallen from his chair and injured himself the situation would have been the same.

In this light it should be plain to see that no blame can be laid at the door of Planetarion for the events arising at i10, the inadequacy lies in the MPUK staffing, and this is something they will hopefully address in future, should they wish to continue running their high-quality LAN Parties.

On a final note, the issue of "dwindling PA numbers" at i-events. While I do not have the facts and figures at my disposal that Wizzo no doubt does, I have been to every event since i7 and have seen nothing but an increase in the numbers of PA people there. Have the numbers really fallen so drastically?

As I said before, I have no bias one way or the other as to whether PA is present at future i-events, but come on, can we not at least be forthcoming and honest if we request that people respect the "reasons" behind decisions?

Culture
8th April 2002, 16:21
The official multiplay response has been given in another thread, please refer to that.

glow_ginga
12th April 2002, 00:56
Originally posted by robinxe
Granted both these instances invoved members of the PA community, but had a CS player fallen from his chair and injured himself the situation would have been the same.dont be so ****ing stupid, if a CS player was on the floor beeding hes have his head kicked in a bit more then a crowd would form to point and laugh.

KermitTheFrag
12th April 2002, 08:22
Grow the f*ck up ginga.

afty
12th April 2002, 09:20
[translated from the original post, which was in obfuscated English]

I couldn't be bothered to read the rebuttals to the accusations the Planetarion players were making, because my friend said there were flames on there.

I don't care whether PA is at the next event, and have no problem with MPUK staff, but I'm now going to put across my opinion on the event, disguised as "truth" and "fair play".

I think MPUK don't have enough staff at the events.

I believe security should be infallible and enforce all the rules, all of the time.

I've done security myself in a very different environment, and we would have needed 4-5 times as much security.

To blame the small community of people who had so many complaints lodged against them is beyond ludicrous. MPUK, not any individual community, is responsible for the behaviour and morality of each and every person at the event, when a breach of security occurs must be Multiplays fault because they hired the venue. Is this really such an abstract concept to grasp?

Furthermore the issue of theft and vandalism is not the only shortfall of staffing levels. The world almost ended during the event because some flyers were given out that some people might have found offensive if they'd never seen a copy of the Daily Star or The Sun. If each and every person in the event had been given a card, the universe would have imploded thank Allah/Jehova/God/Shiva it was stopped when it was.

While many would make light of it, if I were the parent of a 13 yr old child I would stab anyone who let him see a tiny, obscure, monocolour picture of a womans breasts. Good christian children would never see a ladies breasts until after they had married and conceived at least two children - and even then only if the virtuous wife forgot to switch the light out. In addition, each instance of poor language, in particular l33t speak and swearing is to be punished by a £1 spot fine to Multiplay UK. Finally, every time my child commits an awful and heinous violent act in one of those murder simulating training machines (games) I expect the head of a Multiplay staff member on a plate. With an apple stuffed in its mouth.

[snipped out the bit about first aiders because this is a very valid complaint - see below]

In this light it should be plain to see that no blame can be laid at the door of the people who were behaving anti-socially, and breaking the law on numerous occasions, the inadequacy lies in the MPUK staffing because I just feel the need to absolve certain arseholes of their responsibilities as human beings and as members of a community of such, to act responsibly, and in particular courteously and respectfully towards others. If these people weren't such inconsiderate tits, then I wouldn't need to blame this on MPUK would I?

On a final note I no facts or figures to hand, so I'll conjecture and offer my opinion about how many people came in my game section. I reckon there have been loads more people coming every event. Have the numbers really fallen so drastically?
[ ed's note I'm parodying this article, these bits in square brackets are me, Afty! And this bit contains facts:
Planetarion attendees:
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i8 - 64
i9 - 34
i10 - 45
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Now, that's getting lower. I can't find numbers for i7 on the MPUK web site, but I conjecture that they aren't as low as the last two - in addition, i10 at easter is usually a busy event, but has only 2/3 what it had before. Finally, as with any business venture, your initial figures are often loss making in the hope that economy of scale will work for you. Having zero growth, or even small growth, is often not enough to give a decent return on investment, so you axe something even though it is a 'growing' facet of your business, because it loses too much money.
]

Because I couldn't find any facts, I'll now finish of by implying that MPUK weren't honest and forthcoming, which makes it look like they could be lying!

[
Final note from Afty : I was a qualified first aider for many years, and had to put it into practice on several occasions. I really do think robinxes comments about this issue are very valid, and that the equipment and staffing level issues should be addressed by MPUK. I can't urge this strongly enough, and thank robinxe for pointing this out.
]

Guigsy
15th April 2002, 22:52
i dont understany why people go to an event and get all bitchy about it or about other peoples actions.

maybe its just me but if someone eleses actions iritate me i let it pass and get on with HAVING SOME ****ING FUN! after all. thats why wel all go. I know that nobody is going to wander in and nick my pc because a) not everyone in the world is a thieving bastard. b) i am trusting of the people i know and have know for years.
Granted people do get pissed, which is part of the fun laughing at them. And they also get annoying sometimes. But if you have any kind of social skills you can politely tell them to go fork themselves. As a sufferer of epilepsy (mildly) if i had a fit at an i event i know i wouldnt die. nobody is going to sit there and watch. and nobody is going to sit there and go. look at that fool. Also about the ambulence thing... generaly people know when it is serious enough to have an ambulance attend, for gods sake my mother almost calls one when i whack my toe on the friggin table leg. People call ambulences when i have a fit, when its not needed but i dont blame them for wasting time! When your in "loco parentis" (or whatever the **** it is) you are legaly abliged to make sure people are safe. lets say the person mentioned fell and hit is head. he could be fine... then die the next day. u never know these things happen. better safe than sorry.

i dont usualy rant, i apologise

Wizzo
16th April 2002, 16:11
On the subject of first aid, I would point out there were qualified first aiders as part of both the management and security teams. Had anyone come to reception or asked security for a first aider, one would have been sent as quickly as possible. We cannot be everywhere at once, and must rely on people to use their common sense to come to reception or ask a member of staff or security for help.

Guigsy
16th April 2002, 16:28
multiplay should invest in ither..

a) there own hospital wing at newbury
b) cloaning/replicating devices for first aiders
c) time travel equipment
d) nuclear fisson power source
e) stun guns/phasers/battons/cattle prods/tazers for staff

:D

Joey[kins]
16th April 2002, 17:30
bagsey i get a stun gun

Wizzo
16th April 2002, 17:43
I'll make do with an inflatable hammer for now... to fend off the evil QuakeWorld players :)

Dizzie
21st April 2002, 23:32
Maybe one of those inflatable sumo costumes Wizzo? :D