network ip's

[Elspuddy]

can i use a 10.10.* ip and still give my pc's a internet connetion useing windows 2k ics ??

[Catachan]

You should be able to, but if you're using win2k ICS, what's the point? It does it all automatically.

[Elspuddy]

i dont use dhcp in 2k, i gave all my pc's ip my self

[SquireMuldoon]

Did it work?

In my experience, ICS (every windows version) requires the ICS server have an address of 192.168.0.1 else it doesn't work.

[Elspuddy]

dont know, not tryed it
alipuk said winroute can do it, but i hate winroute, stupind think keep's cuting me off my newsgruope connetion :/

[SquireMuldoon]

Im sure winroute can... but I dont like it either.
Besides... you were asking about ICS, not WinRoute. :D

[Elspuddy]

yep :D
think of scraping my linux box and install smothwall on it, maby that can do 10 base ips

[Afty]

Squire is correct, 2K ICS requires an IP range of 192.168.0.* and that the server be .1

This blows.

2 questions :
1] why does it have to be 10.* ?
2] why don't you like Winroute?
3] Winroute is interrupting NNTP traffic? highly unlikely. Winroute is high quality NAT, non of your tardy MS ********.

[SquireMuldoon]

I can cofirm its the same for XP, and Im pretty sure for 98SE too.

[m00]

I got winXP ICS working with other IPs after a bit of abstract fiddling... Don't ask me how tho :]

[Elspuddy]

Originally posted by afty
Squire is correct, 2K ICS requires an IP range of 192.168.0.* and that the server be .1

This blows.

2 questions :
1] why does it have to be 10.* ?
2] why don't you like Winroute?
3] Winroute is interrupting NNTP traffic? highly unlikely. Winroute is high quality NAT, non of your tardy MS ********.


1] why dose it not have to be a 10.* ip
2] as i said b4 , winroute cut me off from the news gurops

[Nexus]

Forget about using smoothwall, the team developing it are doing no new gpl version, and I have had major probs with smoothwall and adsl speeds and some q3 masquerading probs.

I use IPCop, which is to a large degree a Smoothwall ripoff, but at least its being devolped by gpl people, q3 masq works properly and adsl speeds are much better.

[Elspuddy]

now i dont play q3 that mutch, just counter strike , mco and some single player games
if i could realy be bortherd i'l learn ipmasq , but i'm finding it a bit confusing

[r3plica]

again i must ask why 10.10.10.* and yes i believe that xp/2k,win98,win98se atc need the ics host to be 192.168.0.1 and others to be set to obtain thier ips auto.....

winroute can do it, and it is the best routing software (although a little hard to configure properly)

r3plica

[Elspuddy]

i'l put that question back to you, why not a 10.10.10.* ip

[Afty]

You've done that twice now.

Seeing as you're the one asking other people for help and advice, try being a little less obstructive / restrictive?

[Asterix]

10.x.x.x IP is reserved for a class A block so the subnet should be 255.0.0.0

for reference:

1 - 126.x.x.x = class A - Subnet 255.0.0.0
128 - 191.x.x.x = Class B - Subnet 255.255.0.0
192 - 255.x.x.x = Class C - Subnet 255.255.255.0

127.0.0.1 as you all know is a loopback ip addy

But for ICS the computer acting as the proxy needs 192.168.0.1 for this reason so i'll let u work out the IP masks......

[Elspuddy]

o.k i'l refrase that question,
why should i not go for a 10 base ip ?

Originally posted by afty
You've done that twice now.

Seeing as you're the one asking other people for help and advice, try being a little less obstructive / restrictive?


i know, i just dont frase my questions right some times

[Cabe]

the question is why do you need to use 10 in your octects at all.

if its giving you problems stick with good old 192.168.x.x

if its conflicting with a mates lan do this

set the Subnet mask to 255.255.255.0

you use 192.168.1.1 for your network and your mate uses 192.168.2.1 fir his.

Multiplay only use 10.x.x.x because of the VPN's (probably) i've just spent an entire weekend beating the **** out of a wireless bridge to get us net access so im not best pleased with netwerking in general

[Asterix]

If the 2 networks are on 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.2.1 with a subnet of 255.255.255.0 then your gonna need a router to route IP between ya network. This is because the mask will reject the .1.1 call on the .2.1 network and try to route the call to the ip through the default gateway. With a 255.255.0.0 mask it will accepts it as on the same network and work fine.

better to go for the range 128 - 191.x.x.x of you want to do this with subnet 255.255.0.0 (Class B)

[Cabe]

ofcourse, that was posted at 8.00 am after a heavy night drinking at stratlan.

[Asterix]

aye but that link owns!! LOL lappy to ADSL w00t!! hehe

And playing tekken on a mat rules!! Well my daughter does!! hehe

[Embattle]

Another words why bother with 10.10.*.* when it's easier and less likely to cause less problems just using 192.168.0.*

[Asterix]

indeed.....

[WhiteKnight]

Originally posted by Asterix
better to go for the range 128 - 191.x.x.x of you want to do this with subnet 255.255.0.0 (Class B)
Asterix, the reason we use 10.x.x.x and 192.168.x.x is because they are reserved for private use.

If you just pick any old IP range in the 128 - 191 range then you could end up using an internet IP range and thus block those IPs from use..

You will not be able to see them from your machine because your machine will assume they are local IPs on your lan, and wont bother looking over the internet for them.

Just set it up as 192.168.0.x ( with 1 being the router) and subnet mask of 255.255.0.0 and you shouldnt get any problems.

Originally posted by Elspuddy
why should i not go for a 10 base ip ?

To answer that question i say this..

The address range 192.168.x.x is much more common for small local networks, and a lot of firmware and software uses this as its default.

10.x.x.x is only nesecary when you have a LOT of clients and subnets to deal with (i.e. 1000+ gamers)

[MONK]

192.168.x.x can have 60 thousand odd hosts where as 10.x.x.x can have around 16.3 million hell thats about 4 billion to use on the internet and they say we are running out ;)

Of course there are 6 billion people on the planet and at least 1 pron server for every 10 people!

The fact is even if you have around 2000 - 3000 computers with loads of V-lans and server farms and I-net connections you can still do it all on a 196.168 range.... 10.x.x.x just lets you have some logical logical IP conventions e.g. 10.1 for one department/regon 10.2 for another.......

But there is no reason why you couldn't use 10.x.x.x for you're network... it's just the fact that if you move you're puter around other peoples houses often it useful to have something like what Cabe said.... Of course use a network mask of 255.255.0.0.