Counter-Strike Query..

[Tom]

Just out of interest, I would like to see what you guys all think about this..

It came up a while ago and i would be interested to see your point of veiws.

In the game Counter-Strike, you have some maps where hostages can be rescued by the Counter-Terrorists. Now, the debate that took place was "Should the Terrorists be allowed to kill the Hostages?".

I believe that its stupid to kill them every single round (which sometimes happens). However, I was told that this would bge dictating how the Ts could play and somehow people managed to relate the game to the recent Terrorist acts in the USA.

However, any input you guys have on the subject would be much appreciated. Anything that I haven't explained properly, please ask and I will do my best to clear it up.

Cheers

[D0c]

If they must, there should be a fairly large cash penalty for it or something

[Tom]

I know that the terrorists do get a penalty in the game for killing a hostage, but i was more aiming at the "Should it be allowed or not". Nothing to do with the MPUK CS Tourney, just a general query to everyone.

[LordPhil]

I thinking killing the hostages isn't a resepectable thing to do, but should not be banned. If you just run in at the start and just kill them for no reason then it's stupid, but if it's like you by yourself against four CT's then I could class it as an acceptable decision. They should get a big pentaly bonus (more than they get atm)

Quite alot of serves these days put a limit to the amount of hostage you can kill be for being banned. I cant remember the command anymore.

[Malt]

a CT was standing behind a hossie on estate the other day, i mowed them both down, does that make me a bad person??

ffs guys, it is a game, trying to relate it to "recent events" is a silly and pointless thing to do, and i believe a unwanted triviality of real life problems.

Play CS as u did b4, stop sensationalising a perfectly harmless thing.

geeze, some people really make me wonder :rolleyes:

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

In tournaments I don't think Terrorists WOULD kill hostages but yeah it should be allowed.
I think most servers have a kill 3 hostages and get kicked rule which is fair enough.

[D2M]

or just get rid of the hostages! they are so boring anyways! make them more life-like - i.e. they occasionally try to escape or wrestle ur gun off u - that'd be much more fun! :D

oh and add lots of sheep and dark corners ;)

[LordPhil]

=ESAD=Malt I believe you have got the wrong end of the stick.. I don't believe that CS should be banned after 11 September as it resembles killing hostages etc, that is just a stupid. I and I think D0c and Dr. are trying to say it's stupid to just kill the hostages at the begining of the round, and should killing the hostages be banned overall? And most people are saying no, but keep the fine.

[D2M]

Since when was there a stick involved? It's guns and bombs! :D

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

Yeah make the hossies try and make a run for it when the way seems to be clear. That would make for a more interesting game I reckon.
I hope they have done what they said they would and make the hossies better by making them not get stuck/run into walls.

[KBB]

give the hossies godmode rar :D

[LordPhil]

The hossies AI is lame. They get stuck in huge rows, and you have to go up to them and shoot them in the feet to get them moving again.

Does have it's good bits though, especially when you use them on Assualt (assault2k and delta_assault aswell) to get up onto the lights nere the roof, where you can snipe everyone. They all jump on top of each other:D

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

Hossie jumping is lame.

The worst map for hossies has to be cs_italy where they get stuck near the CT spawn point for no reason so you have to run down the white (pavement) bit of the path.

[D2M]

i know! why not replace every map with a huge cube, and make each player into a worm that'd make it absolutely pointless! :D

then we could all play a good game like TFC :p:

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

I've got back into Action Quake 2 and Team Fortress (None of this crap TFC but the ORIGINAL TF running the Quake 1 engine, ahhhhh nostalgia)
Now THOSE are good games.

[D2M]

mmmmmmm proper games....... PONG!!!!111111 OMFG!!!!11

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

Dungeons and Dragons text adventure game on the Sinclair ZX Spectrum... CLASSIC!!!

[GhostDancer]

CS Sucks...TAC OPS OWNZ JOO ALL :D

/me runs away :D

[D2M]

your damn right to run away!

[GhostDancer]

I play 'em both. I think both have certain things better than the other, however i prefer Tac Ops to be honest. /me prepares to be bitch slapped :D

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

/me bitch slaps GhostDancer for having an opinion :D

[D2M]

Always the right thing to do. Well done Dwarf, i waould have done it if you didn't! :p:

[Dr.Death]

I think these things are supposed to be realistic and hostages do get killed in real life.

[Tsung]

I sorta understand what your saying, I mean the CT's are going to rescue the hostages, if all hostages are killed what objective does the CT have (except kill all terrors)?

Changing the rules of the game would sort it out, awarding money based on if your team carry out its objective. So I suggest putting a price on each hostage (lets just say $250) lets call the total price the ransom. The ransom is paid to the terrorists if they win the map. So for each hostage that surived, each terror will get $250. For each hostage rescued the CT team gets $250 each (if the CT wins, they get whatever is left in the ransom).

Killing hossie will result in losing money and a reduction in the total ransom availible at the end. If a Terror kills a hostage, $250 (from the ransom) should be given to all CT players, if a CT kills a hostage $250 (from the ransom) should be given to all T players.

Still its an idea...

[D2M]

so they should use our ideas and make the hostages more life-like! It'd be so much cooler to see a hostage legging it out of your base, towards the CTs. Then you'd have to shoot him in the back of the head to stop him from being captured. I believe it would bring in a lot more tactical elements such as if a hostage was not being watched by a Terrorist, he makes a run for it, or something!

[Malt]

But knowing Hostage AI, they would run off a cliff. :D

[D2M]

leading to 16 people wetting themselves :D

[Bowser]

I know that in some game servers (e.g Barrysworld and uk2) on the internet you get booted for either killing your team mates or the hostages to many times. This is a good idea to prevent the t's killing the hostages.

[LordPhil]

The lovely mp_tk 1 command:p:

I think that's the command! About that our old clan public server had admin mod set to kick anyone after 3tk's for 2days. People soon learn!

[DJ Hatred]

Originally posted by =ESAD=Malt
a CT was standing behind a hossie on estate the other day, i mowed them both down, does that make me a bad person??

ffs guys, it is a game, trying to relate it to "recent events" is a silly and pointless thing to do, and i believe a unwanted triviality of real life problems.

Play CS as u did b4, stop sensationalising a perfectly harmless thing.

geeze, some people really make me wonder :rolleyes:

wow bloody hell - i cant say much else than that - uve left me speechless :P

[10acious]

yes they should be allowed to get killed
i dont kill them for no reason or even to stop the CTs rescuing them, but Ts have a tendency to camp near them and the resulting gren usually takes off 1 or 2 of the bastards, victims of war, or when the CTs have rescued the hossies are halfway back to base and u have to chase them down, unfortunately they usually make a big human wall around the CT so to actually kill him u have to kill about 3 hossies, now if u gave hossies god like hp that CT or anyone who touched them all would be hidden behind 4 moving sheilds making the game very biased

in conclusion manually kick llamas who kill hossies at spawn dont just set the auto kick after 3 hossies as most of us need to kill them to get to ppl behind em. and no accidentaly killing hossies does not make me wanna drive a plane into big buildings

[Eskimo]

IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT THEYLL BE COMING AROUND,
THEYLL BE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS, CHASING YOU DOWN
IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT....

DONT LOOK BACK DONT TURN AROUND
DONT LOOK BACK NEVER EVER TURN AROUND

A MAN WITH A MESSAGE FOR THE OTHER SIDE
GOT CAUGHT IN THE CROSS FIRE, HAD TO LEAVE IT BEHIND,
ALL THE TROUBLES IVE HAD, I CAN STAY AND I CAN FIGHT,... yea thats right

IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT THEYLL BE COMING AROUND,
THEYLL BE LOOKING FOR ANSWERS, CHASING YOU DOWN
IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT....

DONT LOOK BACK DONT TURN AROUND
DONT LOOK BACK NEVER EVER TURN AROUND

(Bryan Adams - Heat of the night)

Not really relevant but it had somink about crossfire in it and i think the hossies get killed in the cross fire more whilst the CTs are running of with them than anything else. They use them as human shields for christs sake! IS THAT HUMANE IS IT!!!!! AND IS GETTING A HOSTAGE TO STICK ITS HEAD BY A WINDOW TO GET SHOT BY THE CT IS THAT HUMANE!!!!!!

who the f**k cares its only a game and if you cant tell the differnce between a game and real life, get help!

rant over :p:

[Bowser]

OMG run, run for your lives.......Bryan Adams........Arrrrrrrgggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[TelexStar]

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I'D LIE FOR YOUUUUUUUUU
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YEAH, I'D DIE FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


YOU KNOW ITS TRUE....
EVERYTHING I DOOOOOOOO
I DO IT FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :D

[karetaker]

Originally posted by LordPhil
If you just run in at the start and just kill them for no reason then it's stupid, but if it's like you by yourself against four CT's then I could class it as an acceptable decision. They should get a big pentaly bonus (more than they get atm)

Quite alot of serves these days put a limit to the amount of hostage you can kill be for being banned. I cant remember the command anymore.

No cos in a clan game it can be very tactical if one person shoots all the hossies then others buy that person a gun etc.

[DJ Hatred]

yea but thats well lame - u dont see many clans doing that anymore :/

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

Originally posted by TelexStar
YEAH I WOULD FIGHT FOR YOUUUUUUUU,
I'D LIE FOR YOUUUUUUUUU
BLAH BLAH BLAH FOR YOUUUUUUUU
YEAH, I'D DIE FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


YOU KNOW ITS TRUE....
EVERYTHING I DOOOOOOOO
I DO IT FOR YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU :D

That was lurvely :(

[Dizzie]

Nothing wrong with a human shield is there? :D

[TelexStar]

Originally posted by Dwarf_Pr0n


That was lurvely :(

well i'm all heart! :)