Really need some help with WinRoute.

[G3N0C1D3]

Hello :)

I recently got a BT Openworld Account and recived my ADSL Modem in 2 short weeks (earliest time apparently despite the engineer telling me he had only ever made 2 installations in the area) It powered up fine, logged on and i was downloading much warez within the hour.

Then we come to the mum bitching at me to set it up so my bro. could use the net at the same time, just as we did on my 56k. I ran ME's ICS config program. But with no luck, i did a little research and downloaded WinGate after being advised to by a mate. Even after fully reading the help section, i couldnt get it working.

Someone suggested i installed XP as Microsoft had made some nice updates to their ICS features. Sure enough, an hour later i was enjoying a low ping on dust2 and kieren (my bro) was talking with some mates on MSN. All good! Then XP kicks in, .dll error, failed to load device blah blah blah! I uninstalled XP and reverted to ME again. ICS no longer worked, so i thought maybe the Network disc i made with XP might fix it. It didnt and now im left with no ICS at all.

I read a post on this forum about ADSL ICS and BTOW, and decided to grab a copy of WinRoute. I sat down to install it, but i can only see one .exe. Which i assume is essentially the server program. Here is where im stuck!!!! :(

Please, someone walk me thru setting up WinRoute because im just fed up now of pissing about with Windows and with ICS Programs! :(((((((


It seems that 1/3 of the staff at BTOW Tech. Support know what their talking about... the rest suggest driver reinstalls.... ARGHHHHH!!!! FFS!! MY MODEM JUST DISCONNECTED! I HOPE I DONT HAVE TO WRITE THIS ALL AGAIN! ARGHHHH!!!!!!!!!

Does anyone know my BT are making such a pigs-arse out of this so called "200 hundred times faster" technology? ADSL was sposed to be a break-thru! Same phone lines, huge d/l rates, streaming (pr0n) and gr8 for ppl to communicate. Ive spent more time talking to "Gary from BT Openworld Technical Support may i take a previous reference number of your ADSL Telephone number please" than i have sucking 500mb files thru my phone line.


Anyway!!!! Please help me! I need WinRoute setup to prevent my mum killing me.. and possibly killing my corpse. Or something! :(

Thanks!

[Cabe]

1) please get a real OS, god only know why would anyone name an one after a degenerative disorder, may i suggest 2k?
2) RTFM - its good honest
3) There is no "client" program, you set the machine from inside to have a default gateway of the machine running winroute's ip address.

[SquireMuldoon]

First off, print out this post and hand it to your mum:

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To G3N0C1D3's Mum.

Your son is currently having technical difficulties sharing his internet connection with his (little?) brother.

Your son is not being lazy, spiteful or difficult, but is having genuine problems which he is unable to solve himself. This is why he has come to us for help.

Please bear with us while we find a solution, and refrain from berrating your son too much. He is finding it quite distressing (the little sissy :D).

Sincerely,
SquireMuldoon - Professional Techy Person.

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Now lets look at your problem. As cabe said, dont use ME if you can possibly help it. Indeed, it looks like you made a semi-sensible choice by installing XP. Whats more you got it working... so why have you gone back?

You mentioned a .dll problem. What was it? You make no mention of it being a critical XP system .dll failure or one related to drivers, possibly for your ADSL modem.

Did you even try to fix it?

My recommendation would be to go back to XP. The ICS works perfectly fine. I know it does cos Im using it myself at home with my ADSL modem.

I assume you are using the "Funky Aquamarine 'Manta Ray' ADSL USB Modem of Joy"?
If this is the case, make sure you've downloaded the 1.4 driver updates from the Alcatel Site (http://www.alcatel.com).
After you've upgraded/installed to XP and before you've connected the modem, install the drivers for it from the CD, then install the 1.4 update... then connect the device to the USB port and allow windows to install automaticly, choosing automatic options as they appear.

As a side note... for general compatability issues, make sure you have the latest drivers for EVERY piece of hardware in your machine, or at the very least, your graphics card and soundcard.

When you've done all this let us know.

PS,

The reason I've not tried to explain how to use WinGate or WinRoute is because they are far too complicated for such a simple problem. If you cant get ICS working in ME/XP first, then I dont see you having much of a chance with these.

[Cabe]

Squire, can i be your minion for i10?, you are wise in the ways of the force.

Another note to G3N0C1D3's Mum.

Brothers dislike each other, its in the Contract. :D

[-=Infernal=-]

I was told by a techy i know that by installing the BTOpenworld Welcome Pack disc that you essentially prevent ICS on your network. Not sure if this is true or what...


Anyway, this is G3N0C1D3. Im not to sure why i managed to post as an old forgotten username. But anyway, Cabe, your first post was not really of much use as you only found the time to insult the OS i choose to use. Generally, i dont have problems with ME and never have done. Uptimes are pretty good and i never have device fail or anything or the sort. And as a friend of mine remarked, an OS is an OS, its how you use it and how you abuse it is the problem.

Squire: Many thanks... im not to sure what the .dll failures were related to. But id assume it was to do with my USB Modem. As they didnt occur on startup until the bastard turned itself off and the line locked up. :/ anyway... Ill put XP back on and if i get these messages again, ill search google for them and see if theres a patch of some kind.

A few people if talked to (proffesionals in the IT Software/Hardware world) have said WinRoute is notoriously hard to setup and i dont really want to give myself the bother of getting it running well so ill avoid that and stick with XP.


Thanks for the help squire and ill shall give XP another go. I found it generally a good OS despite the failures no doubt to do with my Modem.


Bye!

[wishy]

At the moment I'm running winroute on my ADSL connection, this post comes thro that. Its most definately possible under winroute, give it another go, You can normally get help in #multiplay

[-=Infernal=-]

Yeh i shall have to try winroute again, and install XP if all else fails.


Thanks guys, youve been a great help

[SquireMuldoon]

Wishy:
Shutup before I take matters into my own hands. And by matters, I mean your neck.

I dont care if WinRoute is infinitely superior to ICS, I dont care that you are using it, or that you even know how... the philosophy I'm trying to follow in helping Infernal is that of "Baby Steps". If we cant get ICS working which lets face it, under XP is piss easy, then what makes you think he's going to have an easier time with WinRoute?

Infernal:
I'm was unaware of the rumour regarding the BT Openworld welcome pack disc, so I cant confirm it. What I can tell you however is that you DONT need to put it in your drive.... EVER. :D

All you need is to know your login details, and install the drivers from the modem's CD (The blue one), as I described in my last post.

To enter your login details manually, open an IE window after installing the modem. Goto Tools->Internet Options->Connections.
Select add, and add a new dialup account. Do not select the BroadBand option
Your user details will be something like user@hg9.btopenworld.com (and your own password which you should know). The phone number to dial is 084512345678.
When it comes to selecting the adaptor to connect with it may appear to describe itself as an ISDN device with only 64K capability. Dont worry about this, just go with it.

Run the ICS wizard and all should be fine.

If you want to set up ICS manually its not that hard either. Open up "my network connections". It under the control panel somewhere if you haven't already put it on the start menu or your desktop.
You should see 2 lines. One for your ADSL connection, and the other for your LAN. Set your LAN network IP to 192.168.0.1 with a subnet of 255.255.255.0. Right click on your ADSL connection and under the property sheets somewhere is an option that say "I want to share this connection". Make sure it is selected.
When both those are done, in the line describing your ADSL connection, should be the word "shared" somewhere.

For the client machine (your brother's) set the LAN IP address to 192.168.0.x, where x is 2-255. I recommend 2. Give it the same subnet, and set the gateway address to 192.168.0.1. You may need to restart the machine. At the very least you'll need to restart Internet explorer, but everything should work fine (after you've connected to the net on your machine - of course :D).

[SquireMuldoon]

Cabe, you are already my bitch, do you really want to be my minion as well?
I must forewarn you it involves signing over your soul!

:D

[Cabe]

Infernal: I have installed that abomination of an OS several times for clients, and within weeks they beg me to install Win2k or XP, it doesnt have ICS, which is a critical component of ANY system that shares its access to the netowork. Also if you had taken the time to read any of the press releases for ME you would have found that cirtain "features" we added in at the last second (support for ps2 mice/keyboard being one of them, MS trying to rid themselves of legacy equipment) security is also an issue on it as well. However I will say this, you have obviously had success with it, and I havn't, and under these circumstances i dont view it as the right tool for the job so please allow me my opinions, as I have allowed you of yours.

on a lighter note...

Squire: got a pen?

[SquireMuldoon]

Cabe, we live in the electronic age. A simple e-mail stating the transfer of soul ownership will suffice. :D

[Nukes]

Me does have ICS, exactly the same setup as 98. 98 will not work at all on my system, ME will. I have no money for 2k or XP. It's as simple as that.

[MONK]

2K only costs 20p or so....... may need to pay the person to copy it!

[SquireMuldoon]

2K only costs 20p or so....... may need to pay the person to copy it!

I guess I'll have to put that down to the ramblings of a mad person, cos for a moment there I coulda sworn you were endorsing software piracy.

But of course, you'd never do such a thing.

[wishy]

We all pay for microsofts fine products with glee around here. I gave microsoft a tip with the last licence :D

[MONK]

Well of course he would have to buy it I thought that did not need explaining!

I was just talking about making a back up......

[wishy]

You forgot to whistle inocently monk :D

[-=Infernal=-]

Hello.

Yeh, Cabe. ICS is totally supported in ME and it was working perfectly fine (but slowly) on my 56k modem. SINCE installing the Alcatel Speed Touch USB blah blah blah ICS has stopped working.

Ive tried all the obvious approaches including WinProxy, WinGate and to a lesser extent WinRoute. Thats why i came to this forum, seeking help with WinRoute. or a suitable alternative.

I know ME isnt great, and i have 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000 and XP all on disc so its not even a case of only having ME and making do.

XP setup ICS on my PC with the ADSL installed and was great, but it was causing problems with my TNT2 and games werent looking "right". flickery and the gamma went sky high.

I got the XP Drivers for my ADSL modem AND for my TNT2. so drivers arent at issue.

I generally know my way around networking. espescially a small 2 computer one! its worked fine for over a year.

Heres the point of my posting on the thread: I NEED HELP GETTING ICS WORKING WITH WINROUTE OR SIMILAR SOFTWARE! arghhh....

Or im gonna have to install Win XP and have bad graphics :@(

bye

[SquireMuldoon]

Did you install the latest detonator XP drivers (21.83 I think), or try to adjust your gamma before giving up on XP cos it didn't work straight away?

I assume you are no longer using XP, so have gone back to ME, and ME's ICS is still not working?

Was it a clean ME reinstall?

Try WinGate first. I found it much easier to get working. Look at the help text. It should be fairly straight forward. Bear in mind, you wont be able to run another firewall in conjunction with it, or WinRoute for that matter so if you have one installed at the moment, remove it.

[Cabe]

ther is a differnce between a Modem and an ADSL line in that one is a PPP (modem) connection and the other is Network (ADSL, although that should'nt be an issue) have you set up all the other machines to get thier IP's automatically, or made sure that the look to the ICS machine as thier default gateway (baring in mind that it re-designated the ICS host IP to 192.168.0.1 on the internal net connection)

Similarly have all the port ranges etc been set up etc...

the Gamma problem is sommat my mate has an issue with as well, if he tries to tab outta games it leaves him with a backcround that can burn retinas at 50ft

[WhiteKnight]

Cabe, unless he has the corporate version you are talking utter tosh..

the adsl modem is installed just like any other modem, but it just connects at 576,000.

[KermitTheFrag]

it behaves similarly to a hardware modem when connected via USB with alcatel device driver, but is PPPoE over Ethernet on the 2Mbit ADSL modems.

btw, if anyone wants dedicated ADSL/cable/isdn/dialup/leased line routers with NAT and SECURE customised firewalling/dns/serving/port forwarding/syndns, contact me. I'm talking corporate stuff, not home systems although I can do them for a price ;)

[LiquidFire]

oooooo my first post... lol

If you head over to http://www.analogx.com and grab a copy of AnalogX Proxy Server that should sort you out. It's only 251K and is very easy to install i.e.

(On the machine with ADSL)
1. Download .exe installation file.
2. Install the program by following the InstallShield prompts
3. Bung the programs .exe in your startup folder

(On your bro's machine)
1. Configure his internet applications to run through your newly setup proxy aka your machine.

And, ermmm your done, quick, simple, pain less... Never tried this with an ADSL connection but I can't see why it wouldn't work...

Just my two penneth, seems easier than all this ICS business

[MONK]

AnalogX Proxy Server I do liek cos it is simple... but just try connecting to IRC with it!

Also it does not support socks so there will be no ICQ for you!

Along with a few other things it does not support.......

[wishy]

Routing is just like having the modem on your PC, its just less hassle, once its working anyway

[LiquidFire]

Well I've never tryed it with IRC so I wouldn't know about that, but I can say that although the Readme file suggests otherwise, ICQ will run through it. Only yesterday I set it up on a mates PC with both IE and ICQ running through AnalogX Proxy...

[Cabe]

that would be ICQ99b

and IRC works though it if you use sommat like Tiny Firewall and deny all requests from "openproxy.quaknet.net" to stop it detecting that AnalogX Proxy is infact an open proxy