Player1 / 222.167.106.46

[Flash_]

[UTDCv21] +---------------------------------------------------+
[UTDCv21] Client have hooked functions
[UTDCv21] Player name......: Player1
[UTDCv21] Player IP........: 222.167.106.46
[UTDCv21] Client UT version: v.4.36
[UTDCv21] Client OS........: Microsoft Windows XPx32 5.1 (Build: 2600)
[UTDCv21] D3D8Drv.dll MD5..: 73F47A9EEE2DF2F5788EF154817DDA8E
[UTDCv21] Core.dll MD5.....: 6AC677426A03FAEC24FECE284D0D652B (v4.36GOTY)
[UTDCv21] Engine.dll MD5...: 07447166E4443EA945CD7470CC50720A (v4.36GOTY)
[UTDCv21] Render.dll MD5...: F6487EFE25997FE5843D2178FE3BEC07 (v4.36GOTY)
[UTDCv21] Galaxy.dll MD5...: FDAC609BE71693E9102E5F38165D0678 (v4.36GOTY)
[UTDCv21] UTDCx.dll MD5....: E9DE0EE5B80D2CEAD8AC9436D3D5B014
[UTDCv21] MAC hash.........: DD938B6073CA1E8B3B598498D0252D25
[UTDCv21] Mem NTDLL image..: True
[UTDCv21] Server Received..: Initial check
[UTDCv21] Altered addresses: 10302DC4-C4E467E9?
[UTDCv21] Hook Match.......: Helios hook v1.0-v1.9
[UTDCv21] Date/Time........: 30-06-2008 / 18:55:37
[UTDCv21] +---------------------------------------------------+
[UTDCv21] Adding IP Ban for: 222.167.106.46 Player1
[UTDCv21] +---------------------------------------------------+
[UTDCv21] Additional memory scan information for player: Player1/222.167.106.46
[UTDCv21] Corruption hash..: 2A92DDCCECE36537CCEB52D5F3444EC1
[UTDCv21] Altered addresses: 10302DC4-C4E467E9/6C1C7E9,10302DC8-8482E9F2/8482E900,
[UTDCv21] +---------------------------------------------------+

[pwyzpk]

-i'm the player1 who cheated
-didn't use Helios hook
-i disconnected myself from server within 1 minute
-used simply a radar cheat & a "trigger bot" cheat which claim bypass all anti-cheat

reason for using the cheat:
-curiosity
-unsure what does the "trigger bot" do (as it give no cheating function to player) & thought it is for bypassing anti-cheat to let player use cheat which itself cannot bypass the anti-cheat
-disconnected from server once i seen the radar is working

I did not spoil other players' fun
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asked for just baning me for a few months instead a whole life ban

[Blizzard_Wolf]

Sorry, but using a cheat will leave you banned forever. Even if you went to test it which was very stupid of you to do but you will remain banned from all of the UT servers.

Blizzard_Wolf

[Flash_]

What he says.

NO cheating. You'll be banned for life and your IP and other information publicised on IRC, these forums and our websites. We also share cheater information with other admins and will ban you if found cheating elsewhere too. Zero tolerance for cheats.
Seems fairly clear to me.

http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showpost.php?p=574253&postcount=1

[pwyzpk]

Flash, i understand what Igloo meant by Zero tolerance for cheats.

you might say: this player connected to our server with cheats injected in the game, he should be banned forever.

but, if you look at the dictionary, you may find this:
cheat: unfair/dishonest act with the aim of gaining an advantage or profit

firstly, i didn't use the cheat to help me win the game(no gain of advantage)
to conclude: i was not cheating
also, i didn't use the radar cheat to score, then how come it can be a unfair art?

at most it can only be a foolish act to test cheat on the mpuk server.

We run these servers free of charge for the benefit of the Unreal community and we want them to be a nice and fun place to play

and testing a radar cheat(for less than 1 minute) is not possible to affect the mpuk servers from being a nice and fun place to play

i can't see any unreasonable or non-sense statements in the above
and i hope i can have my life ban be replaced by a few months ban instead
which also mean i agree to be punished, but i don't think what i did deserve a life ban

please give this a serious consideration or my enjoyable stay in MPUK will not make possible

[Narella]

The fact is, once you connect to a server, you should abide by these rules/regulations no matter what. So if you break one of the rules, you're banned really, no exceptions.

Testing cheats on any server isn't acceptable - it just ruins the fun. Even if you're not on a server with people. Why make the effort to try to use a cheat, even if you are "curious". I'm not going to get personal, but if you really wanted to win, or do well in a match - make the effort and play properly.

Learn from your mistakes. Perhaps you'll remember this on other servers that are not run by MPUK.

[markybabyz1300]

how do you life ban someone? ips can be dynamic and cd keys can be changed?
Just wondered, btw I 100% agree with MPUK on this, even though my opinions in their "public" forums are ignored or deleted I am still a customer and I hope they dont alter their stance on cheating.

[Flash_]

Testing = "Attempting to use". Even assuming for one second I believed you, if we reduce the ban for you then everyone else who was "just testing" will want it too. No. You joined with a program running that was expressly designed to ruin the games of others. There's absolutely no reason to have that program unless A) You're involved in anti-cheat, and in which case you'll be smart enough to be testing on your own servers and wipe all trace before connecting to a public, or B) You're a cheater.


markybabyz1300 - various means, the only one we admit to is IP's :)

[BullDog]

Flash actually finds out where they live and watches them - when they try n connect to MPUK he hits a little button and that rejects they connection.

if they continually try and connect his hand inches towards the other button....

fortunately people have usually given up by then so no one but Flash knows what it really does but I urge all not to try too hard....*


*please note that all or some of what I have written might be utter bolox.

[markybabyz1300]

Testing = "Attempting to use". Even assuming for one second I believed you, if we reduce the ban for you then everyone else who was "just testing" will want it too. No. You joined with a program running that was expressly designed to ruin the games of others. There's absolutely no reason to have that program unless A) You're involved in anti-cheat, and in which case you'll be smart enough to be testing on your own servers and wipe all trace before connecting to a public, or B) You're a cheater.


markybabyz1300 - various means, the only one we admit to is IP's :)

Shame you people wer`nt around when I used to play delta force 10 years ago,it was the last game I was any good at as I played every day for two years following a bike accident and I was damn good then the cheats came along and the game was unplayable, I ended up having to go to physio as I had nothing else to do and within 3 months I was out of my wheelchair and got a job, life can be so cruel sometimes.
Keep up the good work.

[pwyzpk]

i just tested to see if it work
i disconnected myself from server within 1 minute
then i reconnect without any cheat, then rejected by server instantly
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i understand the feeling of playing with botters, as i also have came across it on other servers
and i never will ruin ut by cheating, believe me on this
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ok, i understand the rule of mpuk-- zero tolerance for cheats(even for testing.)
i will just stop bothering you regarding to my life-ban

[Somebody]

Im sorry to say but Im gonna go against the grain on this. Whilst my knowledge of the game is limited I do think that the logs and stuff should be checked to see if pwyzpk is telling the truth.
I know there are some ppl saying ' i just used it for testing only' , which is not really a valid excuse as if they didn't get caught then they would carry on cheating , which is where that argument falls short .
In my opinion ( and it is not a strong opinion at that) is to ban the guy for a few months and also make sure he uses the SAME NAME everytime he comes on the server ( if he doesn't then - ban for life) . This would also make other plyrs more aware of him and be able to keep an eye on him.

awaiting the backlash ...

[Batty]

Testing = "Attempting to use". Even assuming for one second I believed you, if we reduce the ban for you then everyone else who was "just testing" will want it too. No.

That's the reason why not Somebody - we have to deal with everyone equally, most don't come and plead their case on the forums but if they thought they could get away with it I'm sure a number of them would.

We've had the 'it was my brother/sister/dog/friend' arguments enough - we don't need the 'I was just seeing what it did/how it works/if it works' ... why an 'innocent' player would want to bypass anti-cheat is beyond me. :confused:

It's a hard and thankless enough task trying to keep the servers clean, fair and friendly without making it even more difficult for ourselves.

[Pileyrei]

If someone would really like to test an aimbot to understand how it works, install another copy of UT somewhere and try it offline. Don't try testing it on the Multiplay servers.

Simple.

Piley

[Flash_]

Im sorry to say but Im gonna go against the grain on this. Whilst my knowledge of the game is limited I do think that the logs and stuff should be checked to see if pwyzpk is telling the truth.

There is no way to tell that. He was automatically banned before he would have had a chance to use it, testing or for real. The logs show he attempted to join the servers with a named and known program that is explicitly designed for the sole purpose of gaining a hugely unfair advantage for the user. That's it, and that's all we need to know. This is not Multiplay being particularly harsh - ask any other server provider or admin who makes any effort to provide a level playing field for the majority. We share cheat info with Jolt, Tammys and others, have a hunt around their forums, and others like the WorldGamersForum. This has always been the case and always will be, across all games where people cheat.

The cheat he had, Helios, is the most damaging one you can get. There is NO legitimate reason for him to have it on a public server than for him to have tried to ruin the games of others by aimbotting.

If he wanted to see whether it beat our anti-cheat or not, all he had to do was check these very forums and see all the other cheaters who've been banned for that very thing.

[Somebody]

I concede :)
I merely wanted to put a different angle on the case , thats all, and I agree with the admins descision.

[Crazy-drummer]

Is Somebody a lawyer or something?

[[CoW]J-Raw]

Dunno but he's damn ignorant sick of shoutin "Somebody get our flag back!"

[webvictim]

For what it's worth, I definitely agree here. If you cheat, you should get banned. No real game player who is any good at the game in question would even -want- to cheat.

[pwyzpk]

The cheat he had, Helios, is the most damaging one you can get. There is NO legitimate reason for him to have it on a public server than for him to have tried to ruin the games of others by aimbotting.

Flash
what i used is not Helios
i won't be dumb enough to use Helios v1-1.9 <-- must be an old version as i find someone banned with using Helios 4.3-4.4 on mpuk

if you really don;t believe me i shall tell you what exact cheat i used

ICU v1.exe <------- radar
?onke?.exe <--------- that strange "trigger bot" which claim bypass all anti-cheat but i don't know what it does actually ( the ? is some english letter)
(now i think that coder released it to show he can bypass the utdc2.1 and people who want to cheat on servers must pay money to buy the private cheat from him or something like that, but i don;t really know who;s the coder, but if you want i can send you the files)

[pwyzpk]

<snip>
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[pwyzpk]

as i got quite high ping, i think i might have disconnected before the banning message has sent to me??
i dunno, not sure

[[CoW]J-Raw]

Awesome, just installin now.......

[pwyzpk]

.......you find them from the google within so few minutes???

[ramJET]

nelly furtado was caught with a cheat if i remember correctly, showed enough remorse and was allowed to continue playing. precident maybe?.

[Blizzard_Wolf]

[UTDCv21] Mem NTDLL image..: True
[UTDCv21] Server Received..: Initial check
[UTDCv21] Altered addresses: 10302DC4-C4E467E9?
[UTDCv21] Hook Match.......: Helios hook v1.0-v1.9
[UTDCv21] Date/Time........: 30-06-2008 / 18:55:37
[UTDCv21] +---------------------------------------------------+
[UTDCv21] Adding IP Ban for: 222.167.106.46 Player1
[UTDCv21] +---------------------------------------------------+


Flash
what i used is not Helios
i won't be dumb enough to use Helios v1-1.9 <-- must be an old version as i find someone banned with using Helios 4.3-4.4 on mpuk


UTDC wouldnt make a mistake when checking. Plus admitting to using other cheats dont look good on you.

[j03]

how do you life ban someone? ips can be dynamic and cd keys can be changed?
Just wondered, btw I 100% agree with MPUK on this, even though my opinions in their "public" forums are ignored or deleted I am still a customer and I hope they dont alter their stance on cheating.


Im sure its got something to do with cd# and hardware profile, altho i cart see how you could ban someone based on a profile, without banning more then one
unless its linked like, nickname to hardware profile

god knows :P

[Flash_]

nelly furtado was caught with a cheat if i remember correctly, showed enough remorse and was allowed to continue playing. precident maybe?.

Got any details on that? And was it a major cheat like an aimbot or something minor like a skinhack?

[ramJET]

really cant remember the exact details to long ago..it was a genuine mistake though..

[pwyzpk]

UTDC wouldnt make a mistake when checking

i understand UTDC won't ban an innocent player but i am sure that it has made a mistake in checking which cheats i used because i am telling the truth

i just tested that 2 cheats, not any other. NO Helios is used.

Plus admitting to using other cheats dont look good on you.
just because i am telling the truth
i am not making up lies to increase my chance of unban & "Plus admitting to using ""other"" ....." NO OTHER CHEATS, JUST THAT TWO , NO HELIO!

[zhardoum]

I see no reason to even have tested a cheat, with the one exception of server admins who need to see if a particular cheat is being detected or not, and even then on a private server at home setup for that very purpose.

As to home users, what can the possible reason be to test a cheat
1) see if it works and then cheat in game
2) see if it works and remove it because you cant do 1)

Nope, got no time for cheaters. Play the game like everyone else, if you have to even think of cheating your not worth playing against.

Your excuse is pathetic as are you, coming to these boards "and coming clean" is also pathetic as you have already been found out so you aren't telling anyone anything they don't already know.

Please do us all a favor and sell your pc, you don't deserve the time of people who have spent years making them work and you sure as hell don't reserve any respect.

[superturboJET]

Using a tool for cheating == ban, so what's the problem here, really??

[shred_dog]

I agree. Ban him. get him out of here. and what he's showing is not remorse - it's justification.

nothing to play here. move along.

[ramJET]

i say 12 week ban, do it again lifetime. determined cheaters will just force a ip change or wait untill there reassigned one and change nicks anyway and return.

[Blizzard_Wolf]

i say 12 week ban, do it again lifetime. determined cheaters will just force a ip change or wait untill there reassigned one and change nicks anyway and return.

ramJET

At the end of the day, its the admins decision on the ban. Since he used a cheat, even tho he said he was going to test it to see if it bypassed the secuity on the server which he didnt and got caught!

We do have a Zero Tolerance for cheating on the servers.

He stays banned. End of

Blizzard_Wolf

[pwyzpk]

i wasn't posting here for getting unban anymore
ok, i understand the rule of mpuk-- zero tolerance for cheats(even for testing.)
i will just stop bothering you regarding to my life-ban

i just don't like the fact you say i was just telling lies which i don't
and it is clear that you just don't believe me

although i feel bad after testing them and it give me unnecessary trouble and made a fool of myself,
it has become not whether a problem i showed remorse

it's just you not believing me as you said "UTDC made no mistake"
"he used helios"

and if getting my ban reduced just by saying i am sorry about what i've done, and ?? , more worth believing just because the fact that you , from the start, has thought i am just a cheater who wanted to ruin the game?
and not willing to change your view even what i said is true?
you just want to hear what you like to hear and reject all other seem bad/no advantage of you?

NO Problem , just keep on saying that
pathetic? oh yes, my pathetic built on you, thank you
thank the world!

[BullDog]

a load of bolox goes here

what a knob - ffs close the thread already

[pwyzpk]

( i didn't make a post " a load of bolox goes here " )

---------yes , close it please, full of "human wastes"