Amazing video about disarming britain

[Dentist]

For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, its definitely worth a look!

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Not quite sure how the series will pan out, but should certainly be interesting.

[Mastacheif]

absolutely fantastic

[AcidUK]

Stark contrast to the 360 advert of the same nature

[SENT]

nothing like a short to the point message,
and that was nothing like a short to the point message. jessus that was painstaking noone under 21 cba watching all that.
TOP TIP: when lecturing people get it over in 30 seconds ..

thats a total waste of time and money and wont have any effect on gun crime.

instead of making videos why not just search everyone house and arrest anyone with a gun! and then actually follow that up with a sentence someone might be afraid off.

[Jez_Gafys]

It said getting a gun is childs play. But who here honestly really knows where to get hold of one and knows if they wanted one they could have one today?


instead of making videos why not just search everyone house and arrest anyone with a gun! and then actually follow that up with a sentence someone might be afraid off.

Because in this country we have stupid human rights laws that are slimply flawed, they have their strengths but this is far out weighed by its weaknesses.

[Jobabob]

Guns are so cool



wait, did I miss the point

[Afty]

jessus that was painstaking noone under 21 cba watching all that.Your point isn't a bad one, but you're wildly exaggerating.

More to the point, the target audience may not be under 21s - it may be a political series intended to swing the will of parents etc.

[SENT]

Your point isn't a bad one, but you're wildly exaggerating.

More to the point, the target audience may not be under 21s - it may be a political series intended to swing the will of parents etc.

I was only slightly exaggerating, feel the irony

last i checked it was legal but thanks i really appreciate you following me around forums picking for fault or letting me know you agree
i totally live for your opinion.

[Kaution]

You may not go wrong if you actually listened to what Afty says.. dare I say it hes fairly well educated and in my opinion has decent views. Anyway enough with the brown nosing!

Topic: I liked the video although in a sense i have to agree slightly with SENT - I am 20 and I did find it abit long winded for a trailer/mini clip. It was very samey allthrough.

[Mingtea]

I was only slightly exaggerating, feel the irony

last i checked it was legal but thanks i really appreciate you following me around forums picking for fault or letting me know you agree
i totally live for your opinion.

So now if anybody criticises you you're going to sulk?

You really are a vile little man.

[Kaution]

zing

[SENT]

So now if anybody criticises you you're going to sulk?

You really are a vile little man.

and that assumptin is based on what??

Ive put up with afty and his hostile post for 3 weeks and now im letting him know ive had enough.

and i dont really care for your opinion ive never heard of you before you obviously really important :D

[Mingtea]

I don't think you could have proved my point in a more perfect way than that.

[SENT]

yes because ciritcising me is so worth while compared to contributing to the post about gun crime, something that with your uppety richousness you probably should pay more attention to.

[10acious]

yes because ciritcising me is so worth while compared to contributing to the post about gun crime, something that with your uppety richousness you probably should pay more attention to.

What?
If you're just gonna make up words, then it's not fair to the rest of us.

[Mingtea]

Do you actually read what you post, or do you just roll your head around on the keyboard?

But very well, in an effort to keep this post back on track I will comment.

I personally found the video very moving, I'm not sure what kind of person they where aiming for but I'm a 24 year old male who didn't grow up in the nicest of places, and to me the video really stood out, although granted when I was a kid gun crime in my area was not really a problem, but I think in due time it will be.

Now back to you:

You're a horrible little ****.

Thanks.

[Vikx]

Very good video, it did go on a bit but i guess it was trying to make a valid point. Nottingham has one of the highest gun crime rates in the UK i think.

[Belfar]

Not a gun user here but i could get at least a shotgun in under 24hrs if i wanted too. Just head to any high density low income area and you can pick one up. Assuming you dont make an arse of yourself and they take offence.

[SENT]

Do you actually read what you post, or do you just roll your head around on the keyboard?

But very well, in an effort to keep this post back on track I will comment.

I personally found the video very moving, I'm not sure what kind of person they where aiming for but I'm a 24 year old male who didn't grow up in the nicest of places, and to me the video really stood out, although granted when I was a kid gun crime in my area was not really a problem, but I think in due time it will be.

Now back to you:

You're a horrible little ****.

Thanks.
im far from little im 33 6'0 and i weight lift

could you "buy a gun easily" where you grew up ? I disagree that they are available easily like it says. I grew up in a gang and know countless drug dealers (for my crack pipe ) and dodgy geezers and whilst i could get hold of illegal firearms, i wouldnt be easy. I wouldnt say most people could "easily" like that video says.

[Deman]

Thought it was good

oh and just lol at SENT the E-Thug.

[Aardvark]

im far from little im 33 6'0 and i weight lift

could you "buy a gun easily" where you grew up ? I disagree that they are available easily like it says. I grew up in a gang and know countless drug dealers (for my crack pipe ) and dodgy geezers and whilst i could get hold of illegal firearms, i wouldnt be easy. I wouldnt say most people could "easily" like that video says.

Best advert for not smoking crack, kids.

[Mingtea]

im far from little im 33 6'0 and i weight lift.

I'm not sure if that's meant to be a threat or not but believe me you can be both big and be a horrible little ****, even the largest ladies out there can have a horrible little ****.

As I said I would have imagined it would have been very hard to come across a gun when I was a kid, but my perception is that today it is much easier to come across one.

Personally I would like to see some figures related to gun/knife deaths amongst youths to see if this really is becoming an issue or whether it's just media sensationalism.

[Dentist]

It said getting a gun is childs play. But who here honestly really knows where to get hold of one and knows if they wanted one they could have one today?

I could get one today both at home and here at uni, no problems no questions asked.

[Shazz]

jessus that was painstaking noone under 21 cba watching all that.

I'm under 21.

I watched it in its entireity, and found it rather "interesting" :v

[AcidUK]

I spoke about the ease of getting a gun to a police colleague of mine, and I was shocked to learn just how easy it was. He said that he, and most of the people he was dealing with on a day to day basis could get hold of one in 24 hours. He had also had a gun pointed at him.

[Bluey]

I imagine every school has a least one person who deals drugs, they may not carry a weapon (although likely will) but i'm damn sure they can put you in contact with someone who can.
It's not like a grew up in a rough london borough either i grew up in bloody Oxford!

[Elbonio]

That is excellent.

[Bonkers]

The video was excellent. Very moving and thought provoking. I think your wrong in saying that anyone under the age of 21 shouldnt watch it. A large proportion of the gangs around the country have countless members that are probably around the age of 16. It IS easy to get guns nowadays - comparing it back to when you were a kid is not a valid argument. Esepcially with the amount of converted replicas there are out there. Its true it might not change the majority of peoples opinion on guns. But if it changes 10 kids - then its worth the money IMO. The effect a death has on a family and a community is devastating - then you have to think about the police time spent - and the number of people in prison. At least they are trying

[Jez_Gafys]

I suppose ive never really looked/asked if I could get a gun. I know I could get any and every drug within the hour if I wanted so I suppose those connections from the sounds of it would also have the contacts to get firearms?

[Afty]

Now I'm living in MK, I'm not so sure locally... it's hard to guarantee anything, but given a reasonable budget I'm fairly sure I could have obtained a firearm while I was living in Manchester if I'd needed it - within a few days for sure.

[Squaggs]

you can buy gun around very easy. I've seen them sold in pubs and been told you can get modifed ones (air guns turn in to real ones) down the local market. Guns are well easy to get hold off but the hard thing to get hold of is the bullets a few people have told me this that would have to go down south to even get your hands on 1 bullet.

[webvictim]

I just wonder what drives people to even -want- to get a gun. It just doesn't make sense to dislike someone so intensely that you'd kill them.

"I'm a lover, not a fighter" :<

[Dentist]

you can buy gun around very easy. I've seen them sold in pubs and been told you can get modifed ones (air guns turn in to real ones) down the local market. Guns are well easy to get hold off but the hard thing to get hold of is the bullets a few people have told me this that would have to go down south to even get your hands on 1 bullet.

Its pretty unlikely that you'll get airguns converted into real guns, but having reactivated guns that were previously deactivated to keep as a collector is more likely.

[snowblind]

instead of making videos why not just search everyone house and arrest anyone with a gun! and then actually follow that up with a sentence someone might be afraid off.


Because in this country we have stupid human rights laws that are slimply flawed, they have their strengths but this is far out weighed by its weaknesses.

erm i happen to like my human rights and my right to privacy. no ones searching my house thank you very much!

[eXceSSum]

Really good video, I'm 17 and I watched the video throughout and didn't think it was a "total waste of time and money" at all.

As for the "buying a gun is child's play" part; I live in Reading and reckon I could get hold of a gun pretty easily if I asked the right people. As people have already said, the are so many converted replicas etc. out there.

[Jez_Gafys]

erm i happen to like my human rights and my right to privacy. no ones searching my house thank you very much!

Thats the same law that says if a a guy broke into your house pointed a gun at you or your family he then pulls the trigger but misses you jump to save your children in the act you manage to get hold of his gun and shoot him you acted in self defense and killed him but you are the bad one.
Or if while trying to find his way around your home he slips and cuts himself on a knife you had left on the draining board. You are then sent down for various damages and also the fact that you did not leave your kitchen light on so he could see around your kitchen was also used against you in the courts (just as it was with that factory in stoke where burglers hurts themselfs walking through the dark, now council bosses have said they must install lighting so future burglers can see their way around)

Yes what a great law it is!

Im not saying abolish it im saying make it look after the innocent it needs revising. Imo as soon as you break the law you should autamicaly loose your protection given from the law.

[10acious]

Woah Woah Woah
Now Jez before you go signing up to Robert Mugabes three step plan to a 'Happier and Safer Country'' maybe you should stop and think a second.

1) Letting the police search every home at random and having over protective health and safety laws are COMPLETELY different things.

2) Our system isn't perfect, but giving police free reins and abolishing human rights never has and never will be the answer. This isn't 'Judge Dredd'.

3) It's for the court to decide what constitutes self defence, that means a jury of 12 average men. What about the man who disarms the burglar and then shoots the man, not in the heat of the moment, but in retaliation? While you may see it as justice, many others would not. God forbid you ever sit on a jury.

There is a reason human rights are so precious, and the fact your willing to throw yours away so readily is quite frankly terrifying. Maybe a couple of random police searches at your address would make you enjoy the sanctity of not having the police kick down your door and searching for illegal activities just a little bit more.

Personally I'd welcome some more human rights and a return to some common sense policing.

[Jez_Gafys]

Let me first start by saying I did not agree to wanting Police to search my home at will.
Sure I said its due to human rights laws which are flawed but I wasn't saying Im all random searched its just the law thats in the way (reading my previous post I can see it sounds like that but thats not what I meant).
Nor did I say completly get rid of them so stop twisting my words like you always do!
I like many other conservative can see its faults and want rid and something new to take its place something that works and protects the innocent instead of criminals getting away with murder due to loopholes and protections against their "human rights"

http://www.conservatives.com/tile.do?obj_id=138115&def=news.story.page

[blackbabyjesus]

Anything said while in opposition is pure rhetoric and should be viewed as such. Saying I'll abolish this and that is all well and good, but it still needs clearing through parliament.

[Afty]

Thats the same law that says if a a guy broke into your house pointed a gun at you or your family he then pulls the trigger but misses you jump to save your children in the act you manage to get hold of his gun and shoot him you acted in self defense and killed him but you are the bad one.
Or if while trying to find his way around your home he slips and cuts himself on a knife you had left on the draining board. You are then sent down for various damages*WHAT CRACK ARE YOU SMOKING THIS WEEK*

Neither of the results to the above scenarios are even remotely close to what would happen. The police and the CPS have quite some leeway when deciding what (or if) to charge you with. There was a SUPERB program on TV a few years back when the papers got all uppity about home defence for a few months, featuring a Chief Constable, a Barrister, and a guy promoting self-defence in the home. These guys were on a panel, and the presenter introduced mocked-up video clips of a variety of situations involving a break that included several permutations of:
1] intruder armed / not armed
2] family in the house / not in the house with you
3] weapon to hand, under pillow, found during incident
4] where & when intruder was tackled.

The guy promoting self defence clearly had an agenda and was basically a foam-frothing-mouthed attack dog, spouting rubbish like you did in your post, trying to back the Chief Constable into a corner.

In almost every single instance, the Chief Constable illustrated the likely outcomes of the various scenarios from a legal POV... the fictitious person defending his home was able to use VERY considerable force, and very rarely was the outcome anything worse than a night in the cells (which I think is fair due dilligence on the part of the police) and some serious questioning (ditto).

Scenarios I remember you *WOULD* be in trouble with the law:
1] You sleep with a gun, knife or similar under your pillow, and you immediately attack the intruder with the weapon without any challenge, inflicting serious wounding or death.
2] The intruder, after being challenged attempts to flee the house, and you use force which would, or could easily become "deadly".

Scenarios I remember the Chief Constable stating the police/CPS would not, or would be extremely unlikely to press any charges:
1] You carry a weapon downstairs, challenge the intruder, the intruder tries to charge past you, you use the weapon to defend yourself.
2] The intruder has a weapon - there is a struggle and you kill the intruder.
3] The intruder tries to flee the property and you use reasonable force (read punches, grabs, holds) to restrain him.
4] The intruder actually LEAVES the property, you chase him with a golf club and smash his kneecap with it, then sit on him until the police arrive, effecting a Citizens Arrest.

Ultimately, it mostly came down to motive... if there is a CLEAR and PRESENT threat presented to you by the intruder, there is little you cannot do - if they are armed with a deadly weapon then essentially NOTHING is off the table for you - if they are NOT armed with a deadly weapon then you should NOT attack them if you have one (this could be construed as intent to harm). If the intruder is leaving you CANNOT use a deadly weapon - but you can use VERY significant force to arrest them.
In all cases the Chief Constable advised against tackling the intruder physically, but backed the fictitious home defender when reasonable force was used.

Ultimately, there are no "black and whites" here - the Police, CPS and/or jury will be forced to make a decision based on your INTENT, and your state of mind. If "**** happens" with the intruders own weapon you are TOTALLY in the clear unless you do something stupid like shoot or stab them in the back...
If you are carrying a weapon yourself, then do NOT engage first - but if they come at you then you should use all force you need to defend yourself. That being said, it's best NOT to have a knife or gun "ready at your bedside" for the reason that if they come at you unarmed you will have to use it, then prove that you were not intending to kill them when you picked up the knife/gun. Better to have a bat/golf club/snooker cue - something you could "pick up" without the prior intent to have it as a lethal weapon.
If you aren't carrying a weapon then you can pretty much go to town on the intruder, and claim they came at you. ANY jury with its' salt will believe you over the intruder regardless of how true it is, unless you have a record for violent criminal offences.


Jez, please - stop reading the Daily Alarmist, or whatever you get that stuff out of.

[Jez_Gafys]

Could have seen that **** coming you really are arrogant and shoved so far up your own arse, every bugger on these boards can see it, I almost fell into a coma reading that dribble. 99% of your posts are never ever in relation to the OP or the current subject its always nit picking and breaking down someone elses post to criticise and abuse them...

If anyone enters my property and threatens me or my family I will use any force to make sure his/her threats are not carried out.

[Closing-Gap]

I just wonder what drives people to even -want- to get a gun. It just doesn't make sense to dislike someone so intensely that you'd kill them.

"I'm a lover, not a fighter" :<

I would if i was seriously (i mean seriously; like both my parents died or something of that dramatic effect) pissed about something and then try and get a high score before the police take me out.

Anyhow, back on topic; is it only Chavs and Black-people who own guns?

[blackbabyjesus]

If anyone enters my property and threatens me or my family I will use any force to make sure his/her threats are not carried out.

I think that's pretty much what afty said, you can use a LOT of force if someone breaks into your house, right up to killing them if they pose a significant threat to your life, if you shoot a 15 year old in the back from the top of your stairs though, you're going to jail!

[Jobabob]

i love how these threads turn into pissing contests

on the subject, i'm tougher than all of you and can deflect bullets with my fists

[JeRkY]

Its pretty unlikely that you'll get airguns converted into real guns, but having reactivated guns that were previously deactivated to keep as a collector is more likely.

you used to be able to buy pre charged cartridge air guns from manufacturers such as brocock etc, they essentially were air pistols with a pre charged hammer activated compressed air bullet casing, although instead of a actual bullet, they fired .22 pellets. There was a phase whilst these were legally available that people had them re-engineered to fire live rounds.

I think these types of air pistol are now banned in the UK for the above reason.

Very similar to the reactivation of deactivated weapons, however easier & safer I imagine than re-boring a plugged barrel.

[Mastacheif]

It said getting a gun is childs play. But who here honestly really knows where to get hold of one and knows if they wanted one they could have one today?



Because in this country we have stupid human rights laws that are slimply flawed, they have their strengths but this is far out weighed by its weaknesses.


No it is childs play, pretty much allways has been not ten years ago i was fiddling with a friends dads pistol and shotgun, today i could go into a local and find a certain person i'm postive could sort me out with a weapon.

The problem is the lack of a realistic punishment, life doesnt mean life and life inside can be better than out, i see these new prisons and i think wow that looks nice.

The PC and softy brigade have created this problem.

[webvictim]

There is a definite need for a return to common sense. At the moment, the system is far too geared towards "rehabilitation" and having "softly, softly" approach to everything. Sod that, these people gave up their rights to rehabilitation and decent treatment when they started wounding, maiming and even killing people for little more than a petty squabble that got out of hand. Mollycoddling them is not the way to treat them - sticking them in cushy prisons where the life they have is often better than the one they had outside, or even not sending them there at all due to a lack of space, and instead giving them a slap on the wrist and a suspended sentence.

A lot of people these days are far too quick to jump to violence, because they're not clever or articulate enough to think or talk their way out of a situation. This caveman approach to "solving" problems has always been embedded in people's psyches, but previously, the police were more brutal with those who were caught and that was enough of a deterrent for most people. I also believe that twenty or thirty years ago, people had more respect for their fellow man, whereas that's all now gone out of the window.

The question is where it will stop. How many people will have to die or be critically injured by guns and knives before something drastic is done about the problem?

[Mastacheif]

I agree and i believe the issues begin with poor parenting and social discipline. If as a child i did something wrong or out of turn i would be told off/grounded/clipped around the ear or some other form of repremand.

At school i would be forced into detention or lines, if we forgot physical education kit we would be made to run around in underwear, we would play rugby one sides skins one side clothed in the snow. Constantly berrated if we didnt listen.

To get a job you had to prove your worth now you get recruited based of the number of checkboxes the company can tick to satisfy govt set quotas. To discipline/fire employee a company has to come first at crofts with all the loops they must straddle perfectly.

To put is simply this country has lost its way.

[t0m]

I'm 17 and watched it all , in fact i watched it twice :o but as for could you get a gun if you really wanted to? you could probably but saying that why the **** would you and what are you doing being associated with these people. They are causing the main problem.....

[[TRS]MONSTER]

Very good video, it did go on a bit but i guess it was trying to make a valid point. Nottingham has one of the highest gun crime rates in the UK i think.
I think the gun crime rate here (Nottingham) has now gone down a lot but a reputation is hard to shake.
When I first moved here I walked into an armed siege!
That was one hell of an excuse for being late I can tell you :D
Since then there have been 4 firearm incidents that I remember in my area (Sneinton), only one of which was fatal.
I also used to work at a petrol station and had a guy with a gun tapping on the window menacingly when I didn't serve him! I also heard machine guns being fired one night just outside the garage!
But it is a lot quieter here now, the gang culture seems to have died down a lot.
Don't get me wrong, it can still be a really nasty place if you go into the wrong areas but which city isn't nowadays?
As for getting a gun, I guess it would not be too hard if you knew the right people. I guess most normal people wouldn't wish to be within a mile of a gun though and as such would probably not ever wish to consort with people of that type anyway.
As to defending yourself in your own home, I think Afty has pretty much summed it up.
You have a right to defend yourself but to actively seek out someone to potentially mortally harm them is a big no no. It is common sense really and a lot of the vitriol spouted on here and any other forum/pub chat/discussion is usually influenced by this countrys media being so sensationalist. It is easy to shout out about certain cases - the farmer who shot the gypsy kid for example but he did shoot him in the back as he was fleeing the premises and that is not reasonable force. Yes he may have plagued the guy but the law is the law and he used unreasonable force. A lot of people probably think that it is good ridance to a lowlife piece of crap but where does it end?

I believe we do have a good set of laws in this country and a good grasp of human rights, the media however will always show it in a bad light if it is going to sell a few more papers. The trouble is, the media is a very powerful tool and most people believe the interpretation of the story they read. Although with the biggest selling newspapers in this country being the most sensationalist I cannot see our perceptions of this being changed any time soon.

Sorry about the rant, move on now, nothing to see here...

:D

[Dwarfy]

Monster lives in a right dodgy area...

i honestly fear for my life every time i go down, good job for the .50 cal on the roof eh dude?

[[TRS]MONSTER]

Dwarfy, watch the video.
It is certainly an interesting piece of filmwork.

[Mastacheif]

but as for could you get a gun if you really wanted to? you could probably but saying that why the **** would you and what are you doing being associated with these people. They are causing the main problem.....

You don't seem to get it, they are crims you dont need to know them they will sell to anyone. Myself i have allways had a liking for guns and i'm quite the marksmen but due to my experience with real weapons including assualt rifles i can and do appreciate the power of these weapons add to that a proper up bringing and a respect for the law you wont see me doing any drive bys any time soon.

[Minidisk]

brap brap mother ****er

[Closing-Gap]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sei-eEjy4g

This song promotes robbery and shooting?

[blackbabyjesus]

You don't seem to get it, they are crims you dont need to know them they will sell to anyone. Myself i have allways had a liking for guns and i'm quite the marksmen but due to my experience with real weapons including assualt rifles i can and do appreciate the power of these weapons add to that a proper up bringing and a respect for the law you wont see me doing any drive bys any time soon.

this makes me LOL.