i34 questions thread

[lukpri]

any questions post em here :)


first i ask is, local shops for takeaways and everything ?

will there be a food delivery to seat service ?

erm

thats just a warm up hehe

[beZaa]

local shops = no

5-10 min drive

[lukpri]

are they like tesco n what such ?

[Freelance]

for the slack, or those who pack light, is there an equivalent to the red rooms (i know... planning on proper bed tbh)

[oxy]

how many bogs are there :P

[Niax]

are they like tesco n what such ?

Nearest Tesco is a 15 minute drive (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=CV8+2LZ&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl) away

Nearest Sainsburys is an 8 minute drive (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=CV8+2LZ&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl)

[Idylla]

Again, basically if you aren't driving and don't live on the M1/M40, have fun.

[ChevalierTialys]

The guy who looks like he is attacking looks like he is thinking, "oh sh!t"
http://www.football-media.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/funny-football-media-net.jpg

[Mastacheif]

This is sparta

[Ravenwing616]

This is not sparta....i am lost :(

[ChevalierTialys]

take a left by the burger king and you should be fine!!

[Idylla]

Or, as google maps very descriptively puts it:

1 (javascript:void(0)).Head northeast on A465.5 mi
5 mins
http://maps.google.com/intl/en_uk/mapfiles/transparent.png2 (javascript:void(0)).Take the A452 exit0.2 mi
http://maps.google.com/intl/en_uk/mapfiles/transparent.png3 (javascript:void(0)).At the roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto A452/Leamington Rd Continue to follow A452
0.5 mi
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http://maps.google.com/intl/en_uk/mapfiles/larrow01.png4 (javascript:void(0)).Turn left at B41151.2 mi
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http://maps.google.com/intl/en_uk/mapfiles/rarrow01.png5 (javascript:void(0)).Turn right0.6 mi
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[Ravenwing616]

"Do a Barrel Roll!"

[lordneon]

This is not sparta....i am lost :(

http://fc02.deviantart.com/fs17/f/2007/198/b/f/THIS_IS_NOT_SPARTA_by_Kiyi_chan.png

[Predobear]

"Do a Barrel Roll!"

http://www.fivefourteen.net/motivational-posters/barrel%20roll%2002.jpg

[ChevalierTialys]

or try this one
http://tf.org/images/covers/Cky4videocover.jpg

[Mastacheif]

1. Head northeast on Pinfold Close toward Manor Farm Dr
0.1 mi
2. Turn left at Manor Farm Dr
289 ft
3. Turn right at Fitzwilliam St
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1 min
4. Continue on Highthorn Rd
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5. Turn left at B6090/Wentworth Rd
Continue to follow B6090

1.6 mi
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6. Turn right at A630/Doncaster Rd
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7. Turn left at B6093/Ravenfield Ln
Continue to follow B6093

3.1 mi
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8. Slight left at A631/Bawtry Rd
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9. At the roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto the M18 ramp to Sheffield/M1
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10. Merge onto M18
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11. Take the exit onto M1
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12. At junction 21, take the M69/A5460 exit to B'ham/Coventry/Leicester
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13. Keep right at the fork, follow signs for Sparta
295 ft
14. At the roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto M69 heading to Sparta
15.8 mi
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15. Continue on A46 (signs for Sparta (S)/Lapland/A46)
Go through 2 roundabouts

4.9 mi
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16. At the roundabout, take the 3rd exit onto A45/Stonebridge Hwy
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17. At the roundabout, take the 1st exit onto B4113/St Martin's Rd
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18. Turn right at B4115
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19. Turn left
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20. Turn left
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21. Turn right

[fowler002]

one question no one asked yesterday at the i34 launch thing was, as the saying goes "if it ain't broke, why fix it?"

[Obi-Wan-Shinobi]

Progress?

[EvilGav]

It's not broken, but MPUK want to expand and give more people a chance to enjoy the event, as such NRC has reached it's limit.

I like NRC as a venue, but as it's moved away from the large halls, it's lost a bit of the LAN party element - this place should bring that back.

[Idylla]

Actually NRC could accomodate another 400+ people if you got rid of the exhibitors :)

[crystalchick]

Is the hostel the equivalent to the red rooms here at newbury?

Also, do we know what the food options are going to be yet or is that still being decided?

Oh and another one, how much will the paintballing and 4x4 driving be?

[Obi-Wan-Shinobi]

Is the hostel the equivalent to the red rooms here at newbury?

The hostel is pay per night rooms. It does brind up another point tho. Where are non-tenting, non-hostelling going to sleep?

[Carpet3]

The hostel is pay per night rooms. It does brind up another point tho. Where are non-tenting, non-hostelling going to sleep?


buy a tent?

[ez64]

Edited for misinformation

[Carpet3]

well if all the hostel gets used that's down to 1500 people, less the people who are staying in the hotel

Not many people stay in a tent on their own. I don't know the exact measurements but I read somewhere that the camping area is much bigger than Newbury.

[ez64]

Probably the video scaling then but it looked a lot smaller.

[crystalchick]

Yeah it says on the info on the i34 details on mulitplay website that its nearly 3 times (but dont quote me) the size of current camping area at newbury

[Katz]

:i34 Seating

I'm a little curious on how this will work.

Atm you sign up, once you have paid you can pick any seat anywhere and that seat is yours (from observing a friend signing up).

I was wondering if there will be retroactive adjustment when taking into account dispersed clan sign ups.

Example:
Clan A have 20 members who plan to attend but only 15 can sign up and pay straight away. The 15 sign up and pay and pick their seats.
Few weeks on, Clan B of 10 all sign up and pay at the same time and pick their seats a few seats away from Clan A.
Clan C of 5 can only fit themselves between B and A since options of sitting together are running low.
Clan B and Clan A can no longer have any remaining members sit next to them because of Clan C.

The beauty (and I understand the frustration) of the current system of seating allows clans to sign up and pay at different times and be seated next to eachother.
Removing the areas is one thing but removing the reassurance that when you sign up (after getting money/booking time off etc) you will be seated next to your clan, is a negative move.

I imagine there will be some sort of system thought up to handle such things like this? Or will it be just coldly; 'first come first pick of seats, service'?
(which imo is quite lame since the fun of lans is being able to sit next to your friends and play games :()



Edit: Ok I just saw the similar seating enquiry thread! Apologies for the tired blonde moment -_-
I only posted here cos this was the questions thread!! :P

[In$ane]

http://www.google.co.uk/images?q=tbn:3l7CVpoRTAsJ:www.ers.north-ayrshire.gov.uk/images/penny-farthing.gif may use this form of transport :)

[SquireMuldoon]

Is the hostel the equivalent to the red rooms here at newbury?

Also, do we know what the food options are going to be yet or is that still being decided?

Oh and another one, how much will the paintballing and 4x4 driving be?

No these are not the equivalent. At present there will be no red room equivalent. The hostel rooms are twin rooms and I believe are £35 per night. Sharing, that means only £17.5 per night per person. If you are not planning on using the hostel or hotel services, then you absolutely MUST bring camping gear.

[SquireMuldoon]

well if all the hostel gets used that's down to 1500 people, less the people who are staying in the hotel

Not many people stay in a tent on their own. I don't know the exact measurements but I read somewhere that the camping area is much bigger than Newbury.

The camping area is indeed much much bigger. There is more than sufficient space in the currently planned area, and should that run out, there are other areas we can arrange to open for camping. We will run out of hall space filled with participants before we run out of camping space.

[Murray-Mint]

No these are not the equivalent. At present there will be no red room equivalent. The hostel rooms are twin rooms and I believe are £35 per night. Sharing, that means only £17.5 per night per person. If you are not planning on using the hostel or hotel services, then you absolutely MUST bring camping gear.

Is there not the opportunity of some other hall for sleeping, ala Dreamhack?

[Freelance]

for the hostel room sharing, i assume one person will book it, and it's up to them to work out who the other occupant is? is there a need for both occupants to be logged somewhere

[bright_]

Having listened to the video yesterday, and being not quite awake, I have an important question. Is the venue Licensed, i.e will we have to buy beer there Ala Newbury, or is it a BYO booze job ala Stratlan?

[Afty]

At present there will be no red room equivalent.This is pretty poor IMO - almost doubling the cost of entry to the event for those who have no desire to sleep in a tent, or tripling the already inflated costs of spectating...

There has been less and less provision of floorspace, and more and more barriers put in the way of those of who just want a 6'x4' area of flat, dry, warm land to lie down on for the last few years. Removing the provision of this facility entirely makes me alot less likely to attend - 20 quid a night (all but pocket change) plus the hassle factor of having to pre-arrange both a partner and the accomodation itself is pretty offputting. Again, if you're "hardcore" into your gaming and turning up with a view to winning money and competitions I'm sure that's not such a great barrier, but for those of us who want to turn up and play a few hours games with some friends, drink some beer and play some cards/other seem to be pretty much ignored at the moment in terms of the provisions/facilities extended to us.

Case in point: I came to i33 for a little over 24 hours (dinner time saturday until 10pm Sunday) to see friends and play a few games including some football. This cost me £20 for a spectator ticket, and £44 in petrol as I had to drive home on Saturday night due to there being nowhere suitable to crash by 3am. £64 for 28 hours (2 of which I spent on the road, and 9 in bed) is clearly a ridiculous expenditure for what I received - essentially a few hours each night sat in an (unsubsidised) bar, and a few hours on a public grass field OUTSIDE the venue. Sixty Four Pounds to sit in a profit-making bar, and use a public field.

There is a pattern of many longstanding customers rarely coming to the events anymore - and strangely enough these people aren't doing it for lack of money, as most earn boatloads more than we did 5 years ago - the loss of many long-term customers is happening because of a flagrant disregard for our needs as customers.

We've seen costs for spectators increase MASSIVELY, and despite arguments to the contrary from staff members the real-term costs of being spectator appear to be about 4-5 times what they were just a few years ago. This in spite of most of the ground floor of the event evolving into some kind of adverbeast which could stand toe-to-toe against Godzilla, doubtlessly turning the spectators eyeballs into another revenue stream.
We see massive tournament prize fund increases - with little to no regard for people who play those games but are uninterested in tournaments. Where is the big games admin?
We're also seeing more and more resources being pushed into banal stands attempting to entice my attention with (mostly) dog-ugly Z-list bimbos in unsightly lycra/cellulite combo outfits.
We had insurmountable issues booking private rooms - even when massive lump sums were offered in cash up front as deposit. There is obviously a desire out there from a significant number of customers to book a private room with a high level of facilities, table service etc. who are willing to do so for a premium. But it's ignored.
We see the expansion of the event in terms of numbers, with no provision of additional social facilities/areas - in fact, in previous years we've had far BIGGER social areas on occasion.


So my question for this thread is:

Is Multiplay even interested in having people like myself - older more casual gamers with significant disposable incomes and expectations, and needs different to the 19 wannabe-pro gamers - attend the "i-series" events - and if so what are you going to do about it.

[chucky341]

well as i34 is at Stoneleigh Park

one of my clan mates think i35 is goin to be at newbury (no matter wot i34 is like ) again so can some one clear this up please

[Goberpiles316]

Wasnt travelodge like £11-17 a night most of the time, I know I spent a few nights their one lan, have slept in my car at the last few.

Is the new space for gamers or advertisting? I am sure I attended a 1500 person multiplay lan before or am I mistaken?

[bright_]

Wasnt travelodge like £11-17 a night most of the time, I know I spent a few nights their one lan, have slept in my car at the last few.

Is the new space for gamers or advertisting? I am sure I attended a 1500 person multiplay lan before or am I mistaken?

It's now 1999, unless its been reduced since I last looked.

Some of Afty's concerns are good points too (he always makes good points tbh) I've been to more smaller events than iSeries events because of what happens when you get a humungous amount of people there whom have attitude problems, immature etc etc. At Stratlans, you can pretty much guarantee if someones an arse, they won't last very long there because its smaller and easier to "police" so to speak. I will be coming to i34 as I want to see what the new venue is like, and i also have a tent now lol.

[fowler002]

well as i34 is at Stoneleigh Park

one of my clan mates think i35 is goin to be at newbury (no matter wot i34 is like ) again so can some one clear this up please

I guess you weren't at i33(or at least the i34 launch thing on saturday), wizzo said that i35 will be at Newbury as the November event is usually a smaller event.

I don't know yet if I'm going to go to i34, but will defo be at i35(unless somethig comes up or they decide that i35 will be at Stoneleigh Park as well).

[her0n]

well as i34 is at Stoneleigh Park

one of my clan mates think i35 is goin to be at newbury (no matter wot i34 is like ) again so can some one clear this up please

Didn't they say that i35 is booked for Newbury but it could change to stoneleigh?

"We'll see" is what Wizzo said afaik.

[Dav3y]

I think he also said that Stoneleigh is unviable unless it's over 1500 BYOC, so assuming the lower attendance, it's a good bet it's at Newbury although nothing seems set in stone :(

[In$ane]

how many bogs are there :P

Because we are so big :)

[In$ane]

buy a tent?

Tes you can get one for 15 pounds :)

[chucky341]

I guess you weren't at i33(or at least the i34 launch thing on saturday), wizzo said that i35 will be at Newbury as the November event is usually a smaller event.

I don't know yet if I'm going to go to i34, but will defo be at i35(unless somethig comes up or they decide that i35 will be at Stoneleigh Park as well).

i was at the i33 & at the launch on saturday but i though he said the same as
her0n said that i35 is booked just in case we dont get as much as they think so i35 might be still at newbury

but i hope it is all ways at Stoneleigh Park every iseries cuz that look class

[Baroness]

Agreeing with Afty in that it's a shame there is no red room equivalent - that's the only thing that occurs to me as being missing from this venue. However, given Stoneleigh's size (of which we have been more than assured!), presumably one *could* be made available if MPUK so desired?

With regards to the hostel, I like the idea of having a bed for the night should I want one / can afford one but still want to know: guest to shower ratio in the hostel???? (Am obviously assuming it is not en-suite!)

AND

Can you book rooms in the hostel on an individual night basis or do you have to book them for all the nights of the event?

[Snarf]

Agree with alot of what Arty has to say, there must be a building that has floorspace around?

Another question for the pot, what are the offsite facilities like? It would seem that the nearest place is Kenilworth, is it possible to post a run-down of what's there? i.e. Supermarkets for gamer snacks, restaurants, eateries etc as it's sometimes nice to get out and about for a bit.

[W|SieFly]

So my question for this thread is:

Is Multiplay even interested in having people like myself - older more casual gamers with significant disposable incomes and expectations, and needs different to the 19 wannabe-pro gamers - attend the "i-series" events - and if so what are you going to do about it.

I feel your pain.
oh and Hi Afty btw :)

Also being at the first ever multiplay/wireplay Lan much like yourself i have seen the changes over time and fully agree with your comments.

The personal touch as gone and the Buisiness touch seems to be taking over.
I fully understand the need to promote sell etc to make mpuk what it is, but its a shame to see the loyal people now being so called tossed aside.

Us as Warriorz who have been there from the first, entered/admined/played tournys have not entered one since they started offering prize money out due to the fact the sponsered play 24hr gamers now enter and take the fun out of it all.That is not really a problem we simple dont enter and stick to our own gaming needs.
I remember the days of Wizzo actually coming to talk to us now he never has time for us.

Anyways rant over with, they do a cracking job tbh but sometimes they need to think about there loyal players rather then there wallet. :)

[Jamie^]

Where will coaches be departing from to go to Stoneleigh Park?

[s1rus]

Bar or not?

What do we do on the Alchohol front please? :)

[D0c]

There is a bar on site

[Yak Yak]

I was just wondering if anyone knew what the washing/shower facilities are like and where abouts they are on site? I'm sure they will be better than the jockey's changing rooms at newbury!! Does anyone know?

[Mer Ner]

Agree with alot of what Arty has to say, there must be a building that has floorspace around?

Another question for the pot, what are the offsite facilities like? It would seem that the nearest place is Kenilworth, is it possible to post a run-down of what's there? i.e. Supermarkets for gamer snacks, restaurants, eateries etc as it's sometimes nice to get out and about for a bit.
The nearest supermarkets have been listed already:

Nearest Tesco is a 15 minute drive (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=CV8+2LZ&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl) away

Nearest Sainsburys is an 8 minute drive (http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=CV8+2LZ&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&sa=N&tab=wl)
Not sure what other facilities a gamer would require? Pizza Hut, Burger King etc?

[Wizzo]

We'll be looking into a "red room" equivalent, but I have to say that the red room has been used less and less over the years. At i33 when I walked over there (responding to a call of noise) there must have been 100-150 people in there. We used to fill to breaking point both the red rooms and the tote building. The vast majority of people now camp or use a hotel/b&b.

Certainly it will be a bigger concern for the Autumn/Easter events should they be held at Stoneleigh, but for the summer event it's going to be warm enough for everyone to camp. We'll be looking to ensure we have the sale of inexpensive easy-to-use camping gear as well on-site so people who forget have an option.

As for it putting people off... have you seen how fast this event is selling. It is nuts!!!

[ez64]

We'll be looking to ensure we have the sale of inexpensive easy-to-use camping gear as well on-site so people who forget have an option.



win.

[Baroness]

Repetition, but an answer is still awaited, please:

1. What is the guest-to-shower ratio at the hostel?

2. Can you book hostel rooms on a night-by-night basis? (eg. if you are speccing for a day?)

"I look forward to your response." :)

Thanks!

[Afty]

We'll be looking into a "red room" equivalent, but I have to say that the red room has been used less and less over the years.Thanks for clarifying - sleeping-space demand has definitely gone down, probably mostly due to the tentage, however at i33 when I came to spec, I had to drive home at 3am because there was no sleeping space available... so there's probably demand for a floorspace area somewhere around the size of the Red Room + 50%...

Cost of accomodation is often more than the cost of the LAN itself (showing what good value a ticket represents for participants) - so it's particularly onerous for spectators, who expect to pay alot less for their weekend away...

[Moose]

I'm not surprised there wasn't room in the red rooms on a Saturday night (the busiest night by far), the outside temperature was freezing and the wind was awful as had been forecast. Surely it would have been safer, if a little cold, to just sleep your in sleeping bag in the car.

[SquireMuldoon]

Thanks for clarifying - sleeping-space demand has definitely gone down, probably mostly due to the tentage, however at i33 when I came to spec, I had to drive home at 3am because there was no sleeping space available... so there's probably demand for a floorspace area somewhere around the size of the Red Room + 50%...

Cost of accomodation is often more than the cost of the LAN itself (showing what good value a ticket represents for participants) - so it's particularly onerous for spectators, who expect to pay alot less for their weekend away...

Afty,

I really am having a great deal of trouble trying to fathom your point.

Name any event, conference, exhibition or show you like, and I can pretty much guarantee that the cost of accomodation for one or more nights will be more than the cost of said event. LAN parties are virtually unique in that there is free camping space included. The closest equivalent I can think of are music festivals where again camping space is included, however I am not aware of any event where free indoor sleeping is provided.

The cost of accomodation is irrespective, and quite honestly irrelevant to the method you choose to attend the event, be it participant or spectator... so how do you justify statements like "so it's particularly onerous for spectators, who expect to pay alot less for their weekend away"?

I know you are an intelligent person, so I am assuming you are just venting rather than actually bothering to do the maths, but being a spectator IS significantly cheaper than being a participant by as much as £70 cheaper or as little as £55 (depending on how long you spectate for and assuming all other costs associated in attendance are the same as an equivalent full participant).

With regards to your specific i33 experience, I can only assume that you intentionally chose not to camp, and likewise decided not to bed down in the space available in the red room, presumably because you feel you are now at any age where both those options are beneath you. What more exactly did you expect us to do?

We understand and appreciate that the i-series is not what it once was. It has evolved based on feedback from the community at large, and from the desire to run the UK's premiere computer gaming event. We also understand that a small contingent of people such as yourself are opposed to this change. Unfortunately you are pretty much out voiced by those who DO want the changes. Of course, there is an antidote to this... and that is StratLAN, which is very much the small and cosy lans of old, and isnt likely to change much at all.

[Aardvark]

Name any event, conference, exhibition or show you like, and I can pretty much guarantee that the cost of accomodation for one or more nights will be more than the cost of said event. LAN parties are virtually unique in that there is free camping space included. The closest equivalent I can think of are music festivals where again camping space is included, however I am not aware of any event where free indoor sleeping is provided.
You are correct, music festivals are indeed the closest equivalent. However this is not because they are a special case and help out their patrons above and beyond, it's because unlike conferences/exhibitions/shows they are, like an i-series, billed as a continuous, self-contained event. Drawing parallels with events that run in a 'drop in and see' format is not how you should be looking at this.

The cost of accomodation is irrespective, and quite honestly irrelevant to the method you choose to attend the event, be it participant or spectator... so how do you justify statements like "so it's particularly onerous for spectators, who expect to pay alot less for their weekend away"?

Going from zero cost to any cost will ALWAYS be more distasteful for the lower paying attendee. You can't draw this comparison with the 'old ways' when the old way was 'it costs nothing'.

I know you are an intelligent person, so I am assuming you are just venting rather than actually bothering to do the maths, but being a spectator IS significantly cheaper than being a participant by as much as £70 cheaper or as little as £55 (depending on how long you spectate for and assuming all other costs associated in attendance are the same as an equivalent full participant).
The jump from £50 for 2 people to spectate for 4 days to £140 is a nearly 200% increase. Yes I know tents are an option but a tent is a far less comfortable night than any sort of 4 walls and roof over your head.

With regards to your specific i33 experience, I can only assume that you intentionally chose not to camp, and likewise decided not to bed down in the space available in the red room, presumably because you feel you are now at any age where both those options are beneath you. What more exactly did you expect us to do?
Red room was packed to the gunnels on Saturday night. In fact this complaint would have arisen even if there was no move to Stoneleigh as the facility is clearly being used and requires more space allocation. I thought the idea of moving to Stoneleigh was to allow room for expansion, not just pure 'bums on seats' commerce?

We understand and appreciate that the i-series is not what it once was. It has evolved based on feedback from the community at large, and from the desire to run the UK's premiere computer gaming event. We also understand that a small contingent of people such as yourself are opposed to this change. Unfortunately you are pretty much out voiced by those who DO want the changes.
I think we all want most of the changes. However we don't see the need to sacrifice relatively simple luxuries like a few square metres of floor space in order to obtain them. Is it really so hard to provide this?

Of course, there is an antidote to this... and that is StratLAN, which is very much the small and cosy lans of old, and isnt likely to change much at all.

Ah StratLAN, you mean that event that is now so much of an afterthought that less than a month before a provisional date no firm decision has been made on whether it will take place?

I know I sound grumpy in this post, but it feels like the issue is being fudged in corporate speak. Please don't try to package a very real change to the event as something that is almost irrelevant. Yes, vocal minority and everything, but the number of people in the red room on the Satuday of i33 would surely contain at least a generous percentage that would agree with us.

I want i34 to be awesome, and I suspect it will be. The key objectives in running events like this have been met time and time again by Multiplay, I don't think the ball is going to be dropped now. All I ask is that a little more care be taken over smaller details to ensure that the absolute maximum number of people go away satisfied at the end of the day.

[TomM]

Surely (after watching the video) its further to walk at the new venue compared to the old one?

I don't really get the point where he says 'the grandstand was quite a way from the main stage' when really it was down some steps and over a road and into a tent.

Then they say that the hall is massive - but it's ok because it's all one building and everything is a short walk away

make your minds up about distances please :p that just annoyed me

[Wizzo]

Repetition, but an answer is still awaited, please:

1. What is the guest-to-shower ratio at the hostel?

2. Can you book hostel rooms on a night-by-night basis? (eg. if you are speccing for a day?)

1. Waiting on that one. Will confirm.

2. No. Much like you can't book a BYOC place at the LAN for 1 day only, we want to ensure the rooms go to those staying for the whole period, rather than having a room booked for saturday night only preventing someone who would want it for thurs-mon getting it.

[her0n]

1. Waiting on that one. Will confirm.

2. No. Much like you can't book a BYOC place at the LAN for 1 day only, we want to ensure the rooms go to those staying for the whole period, rather than having a room booked for saturday night only preventing someone who would want it for thurs-mon getting it.

Point 2 - What happens to those participants who will not be taking up EAS? They have to spend an extra £35 minimum for a room they won't be using? Other people may just wish to book the hotel the night before they go home, so they aren't driving knackered or whatever.

Why not let the hotel manage the bookings? Cross reference each booking with the i34 booking id? No booking ID then no hotel booking. Would stop "randoms" taking spaces.. but would also allow flexibility for day to day bookings?

I realise there's obviously a lot more to it than that. I think it's great that there's real accomodation on site :): but hotels are adept at juggling bookings, after all it's pretty much the main part of what they do!

[Moose]

I think we all want most of the changes. However we don't see the need to sacrifice relatively simple luxuries like a few square metres of floor space in order to obtain them. Is it really so hard to provide this?
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Please don't try to package a very real change to the event as something that is almost irrelevant. Yes, vocal minority and everything, but the number of people in the red room on the Satuday of i33 would surely contain at least a generous percentage that would agree with us.The trouble is the few square meters you refer to cost money, and every time there's the merest hint of price rise people complain. They also complain about it being 'too corperate' but it's sponsors money that subsidises the event, so Multiplay are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

The red rooms have been a nice added bonus but that's all they are, added not expected. Seeing as you can buy really cheap tents, or pop up ones for those who wish, it shouldn't be a big effort (especially as they can be kept for many a year).

[Wizzo]

Point 2 - What happens to those participants who will not be taking up EAS? They have to spend an extra £35 minimum for a room they won't be using? Other people may just wish to book the hotel the night before they go home, so they aren't driving knackered or whatever.

Why not let the hotel manage the bookings? Cross reference each booking with the i34 booking id? No booking ID then no hotel booking. Would stop "randoms" taking spaces.. but would also allow flexibility for day to day bookings?

I realise there's obviously a lot more to it than that. I think it's great that there's real accomodation on site :): but hotels are adept at juggling bookings, after all it's pretty much the main part of what they do!

EAS night is optional... it's a tick box when you book the hotel/hostel :)

[Murray-Mint]

The red rooms have been a nice added bonus but that's all they are, added not expected. Seeing as you can buy really cheap tents, or pop up ones for those who wish, it shouldn't be a big effort (especially as they can be kept for many a year).

Just to comment on this point. You can't compare camping in a tent and sleeping in the red room. It's two different things. Some people don't like camping and last weekend was a good example of one of the reasons why an indoor sleeping area is required - A cheap popup tent is going to struggle in similar weather.

You might not expect indoor sleeping at something like a concert or an expo or an exhibition, but the fact is, the expectation for a LAN party in Europe is indoor sleeping. Over in the US, it's different, as the large LANs are all held at hotel/convention centres which need the hotel rooms to be sold.

[Goberpiles316]

Isnt it fair to say that the US is different in that rooms are cheap as chips anyhow and they hold a lot more room then the hotels over here in the UK, I dont really feel you can compare a hotel in the USA with the UK.

[SquireMuldoon]

You are correct, music festivals are indeed the closest equivalent. However this is not because they are a special case and help out their patrons above and beyond, it's because unlike conferences/exhibitions/shows they are, like an i-series, billed as a continuous, self-contained event. Drawing parallels with events that run in a 'drop in and see' format is not how you should be looking at this.

I am not drawing parallels to be awkward, I am drawing them because they are inescapable to the nature of "going away" for a weekend. It doesn't matter where you go to or what you do when you are there, if its for more than one night, where you are going to stay becomes a factor.

I draw the closest parallel with music festivals precisely because they are more of a continuous event as you say, and their solution is pretty much the same... camp or hotel.


Going from zero cost to any cost will ALWAYS be more distasteful for the lower paying attendee. You can't draw this comparison with the 'old ways' when the old way was 'it costs nothing'.

The jump from £50 for 2 people to spectate for 4 days to £140 is a nearly 200% increase. Yes I know tents are an option but a tent is a far less comfortable night than any sort of 4 walls and roof over your head.

Where exactly has spectator price jumped so much? You simply can not make such wild accusations when in fact you are complaining about your choice of accomodation. This has absolutely NOTHING to do with the actual spectator price.

The accomodation arrangements for spectators are precisely the same as those for the participants. You either take advantage of the free camping space available or you choose to get a hostel/hotel rooom. At the end of the day though it is your choice, not a change in price at all.

Red room was packed to the gunnels on Saturday night. In fact this complaint would have arisen even if there was no move to Stoneleigh as the facility is clearly being used and requires more space allocation. I thought the idea of moving to Stoneleigh was to allow room for expansion, not just pure 'bums on seats' commerce?
The red rooms are a unique facility to Newbury racecourse that simply can not be guaranteed at every venue. As the events at Newbury have increased in size we have continued to stress that indoor floor space is very limited and that we cannot recommend highly enough that you bring camping gear, or make alternative arrangements.

That's about as much as I can comment on with the red room as I have no idea how full your interpretation of full is, or how full the red room actually was. But what I can say is that the assumption that there would be sufficient space was erroneous and the likelyhood of it running out was not without fore-warning.


I think we all want most of the changes. However we don't see the need to sacrifice relatively simple luxuries like a few square metres of floor space in order to obtain them. Is it really so hard to provide this?
Yes... it is.

As I have already said, the red rooms are a facility unique to Newbury Racecourse. You can not assume that such a facility will be available in another venue. Any additional indoor floor space at any venue will come at a price. But more than that there are other obsticals such as the venue opperators/owners and if they will allow us to use rooms for sleeping people. Then of course there are the local authorities and wether they will allow this, passing their health and safety requirements. These change very much between local authorities.


Ah StratLAN, you mean that event that is now so much of an afterthought that less than a month before a provisional date no firm decision has been made on whether it will take place?
StratLAN has never been a simple afterthought, and to suggest otherwise is both incredably flippant and insulting to those of us who work hard to make sure they are as fun and relaxed as they are.

I know I sound grumpy in this post, but it feels like the issue is being fudged in corporate speak. Please don't try to package a very real change to the event as something that is almost irrelevant. Yes, vocal minority and everything, but the number of people in the red room on the Satuday of i33 would surely contain at least a generous percentage that would agree with us.
We aren't making it into something irrelevant. We are spelling out from the very outset of the event exactly what facilities are and are not available at i34 so that you can make an informed decision as to wether you want to attend and what your accomodation arrangements will be if you do.


I want i34 to be awesome, and I suspect it will be. The key objectives in running events like this have been met time and time again by Multiplay, I don't think the ball is going to be dropped now. All I ask is that a little more care be taken over smaller details to ensure that the absolute maximum number of people go away satisfied at the end of the day.
We will always do everything we can... but at the end of the day we can not guarantee that certain facilities will be available at every event. All we can do is make people aware of changes in advance so they can make an informed choice. That is, I believe, exactly what we are doing here.

[Baroness]

1. Waiting on that one. Will confirm.

2. No. Much like you can't book a BYOC place at the LAN for 1 day only, we want to ensure the rooms go to those staying for the whole period, rather than having a room booked for saturday night only preventing someone who would want it for thurs-mon getting it.

OK, thanks for response!

[conflict]

Any idea of how far the train stations are from Stoneleigh park?

[Velox]

The hostel page says each room sleeps 2, but I haven't been able to work out if it is a double bed or two singles? Presuming it is the latter but really want to make sure this is the case :o

Cheers

[_Medusa]

2 singles

[Velox]

Ok thanks. Thought so but it'd be a very scary situation if it was doubles so wanted to check....

[Cen0bitE]

Actually NRC could accomodate another 400+ people if you got rid of the exhibitors :)

qft lol

[Cen0bitE]

This is pretty poor IMO - almost doubling the cost of entry to the event for those who have no desire to sleep in a tent, or tripling the already inflated costs of spectating...

There has been less and less provision of floorspace, and more and more barriers put in the way of those of who just want a 6'x4' area of flat, dry, warm land to lie down on for the last few years. Removing the provision of this facility entirely makes me alot less likely to attend - 20 quid a night (all but pocket change) plus the hassle factor of having to pre-arrange both a partner and the accomodation itself is pretty offputting. Again, if you're "hardcore" into your gaming and turning up with a view to winning money and competitions I'm sure that's not such a great barrier, but for those of us who want to turn up and play a few hours games with some friends, drink some beer and play some cards/other seem to be pretty much ignored at the moment in terms of the provisions/facilities extended to us.

Case in point: I came to i33 for a little over 24 hours (dinner time saturday until 10pm Sunday) to see friends and play a few games including some football. This cost me £20 for a spectator ticket, and £44 in petrol as I had to drive home on Saturday night due to there being nowhere suitable to crash by 3am. £64 for 28 hours (2 of which I spent on the road, and 9 in bed) is clearly a ridiculous expenditure for what I received - essentially a few hours each night sat in an (unsubsidised) bar, and a few hours on a public grass field OUTSIDE the venue. Sixty Four Pounds to sit in a profit-making bar, and use a public field.

There is a pattern of many longstanding customers rarely coming to the events anymore - and strangely enough these people aren't doing it for lack of money, as most earn boatloads more than we did 5 years ago - the loss of many long-term customers is happening because of a flagrant disregard for our needs as customers.

We've seen costs for spectators increase MASSIVELY, and despite arguments to the contrary from staff members the real-term costs of being spectator appear to be about 4-5 times what they were just a few years ago. This in spite of most of the ground floor of the event evolving into some kind of adverbeast which could stand toe-to-toe against Godzilla, doubtlessly turning the spectators eyeballs into another revenue stream.
We see massive tournament prize fund increases - with little to no regard for people who play those games but are uninterested in tournaments. Where is the big games admin?
We're also seeing more and more resources being pushed into banal stands attempting to entice my attention with (mostly) dog-ugly Z-list bimbos in unsightly lycra/cellulite combo outfits.
We had insurmountable issues booking private rooms - even when massive lump sums were offered in cash up front as deposit. There is obviously a desire out there from a significant number of customers to book a private room with a high level of facilities, table service etc. who are willing to do so for a premium. But it's ignored.
We see the expansion of the event in terms of numbers, with no provision of additional social facilities/areas - in fact, in previous years we've had far BIGGER social areas on occasion.


So my question for this thread is:

Is Multiplay even interested in having people like myself - older more casual gamers with significant disposable incomes and expectations, and needs different to the 19 wannabe-pro gamers - attend the "i-series" events - and if so what are you going to do about it.

i think this is the first ever subject we can agree on lol. well said.

[MuffyD]

Any idea of how far the train stations are from Stoneleigh park?

I asked that at the launch party and I believe red eye adviced that it was leamington spa. I think there is one in coventry but i dont know if it is harder to reach or nearer. there is an airport but seams only thompson fly there.

Also with the opinion on the red room was it not to hard to sleep there and you get folk who get up and pish on there own sleeping bags then get back in it + has been notified that you can pick up a tent for 9.99 from argos for the summer and if they are going to newbury for the smaller spring and winter lans you will have your red room back or u can fork out for a hotel for a few nights with someone and bunk up.

what is the rule 4 2 to a bed?

[Reaper]

Do the hotel have rooms with double beds or is it double airbed for Reaper+1?

[syKe]

If you rent a Hotel room for 2, is it possible for a third person to sleep on the floor?

Or don't you allow that?

[EvilGav]

This is pretty poor IMO - almost doubling the cost of entry to the event for those who have no desire to sleep in a tent, or tripling the already inflated costs of spectating...

There has been less and less provision of floorspace, and more and more barriers put in the way of those of who just want a 6'x4' area of flat, dry, warm land to lie down on for the last few years. Removing the provision of this facility entirely makes me alot less likely to attend - 20 quid a night (all but pocket change) plus the hassle factor of having to pre-arrange both a partner and the accomodation itself is pretty offputting. Again, if you're "hardcore" into your gaming and turning up with a view to winning money and competitions I'm sure that's not such a great barrier, but for those of us who want to turn up and play a few hours games with some friends, drink some beer and play some cards/other seem to be pretty much ignored at the moment in terms of the provisions/facilities extended to us.

Case in point: I came to i33 for a little over 24 hours (dinner time saturday until 10pm Sunday) to see friends and play a few games including some football. This cost me £20 for a spectator ticket, and £44 in petrol as I had to drive home on Saturday night due to there being nowhere suitable to crash by 3am. £64 for 28 hours (2 of which I spent on the road, and 9 in bed) is clearly a ridiculous expenditure for what I received - essentially a few hours each night sat in an (unsubsidised) bar, and a few hours on a public grass field OUTSIDE the venue. Sixty Four Pounds to sit in a profit-making bar, and use a public field.

There is a pattern of many longstanding customers rarely coming to the events anymore - and strangely enough these people aren't doing it for lack of money, as most earn boatloads more than we did 5 years ago - the loss of many long-term customers is happening because of a flagrant disregard for our needs as customers.

We've seen costs for spectators increase MASSIVELY, and despite arguments to the contrary from staff members the real-term costs of being spectator appear to be about 4-5 times what they were just a few years ago. This in spite of most of the ground floor of the event evolving into some kind of adverbeast which could stand toe-to-toe against Godzilla, doubtlessly turning the spectators eyeballs into another revenue stream.
We see massive tournament prize fund increases - with little to no regard for people who play those games but are uninterested in tournaments. Where is the big games admin?
We're also seeing more and more resources being pushed into banal stands attempting to entice my attention with (mostly) dog-ugly Z-list bimbos in unsightly lycra/cellulite combo outfits.
We had insurmountable issues booking private rooms - even when massive lump sums were offered in cash up front as deposit. There is obviously a desire out there from a significant number of customers to book a private room with a high level of facilities, table service etc. who are willing to do so for a premium. But it's ignored.
We see the expansion of the event in terms of numbers, with no provision of additional social facilities/areas - in fact, in previous years we've had far BIGGER social areas on occasion.


So my question for this thread is:

Is Multiplay even interested in having people like myself - older more casual gamers with significant disposable incomes and expectations, and needs different to the 19 wannabe-pro gamers - attend the "i-series" events - and if so what are you going to do about it.

Fair enough, the £20 spec price, but you can hardly add in the travelling time and petrol money involved. If I did, that's an extra 14 hours and £120, plus the £80 entry. £200 before i've eaten or drunk anything. Even over 5 days, it's still £40 a day.

Equally, if you chose to buy a tent (and they can be got for very reasonable prices e.g. http://www.cybercheckout.co.uk/Items/300153815?&caSKU=300153815&caTitle=UltraFit%203%20Berth%20Sussex%20Tent ), it's usable for more than just the one time, so the cost is depreciated over more than just one visit.

From what i've seen, the red-room caused more problems than it solved, however, I do feel a little sorry for those travelling from over-seas - they have no choice wrt a tent, so for i34 they either don't come or pay for the hostel/hotel.

[Carpet3]

I do feel a little sorry for those travelling from over-seas - they have no choice wrt a tent, so for i34 they either don't come or pay for the hostel/hotel.

didnt wizzo say that they were looking into selling some cheap tents?

[SquireMuldoon]

Yes he did. At present, we are hoping to have some camping items available for sale at the event for those who arent able to bring some with them.

[Karsh]

Yes he did. At present, we are hoping to have some camping items available for sale at the event for those who arent able to bring some with them.

If i was still lanning i would take this up ! Lugging it all on a train is a pain (well for a lazy git like me). Nice one :)

[cwj]

I went to i33 happily but was told to leave my second monitor (a 15" eizo panel used only for irc) and just use my 20" syncmaster because there was some ruile against more than one monitor? because of this I left my laptop too but saw a few people with laptops and monitors, so basically I am just wondering what the rules are as I normally like to have 2 monitors for gaming/irc and a laptop & external to share CS:S and CoD4 demo's and frag movies ETC. outside of the network, so how much of this can I do?

I still had an awesome time with my rig and a 20" but the 15" irc panel and laptop make it that little bit nicer :D

So just what are the rules on this because I had a short search and didn't find anything and have forgotten what is in the T&C. :confused:

-James

[MONK]

No idea for the new venue but previously it has been, yes you can bring a laptop (wireless is extra or swap between your PC) no your can't have a second screen.

There are various reasons for this mainly due to power and space, if Multiplay were to say people could have two screens and two sitting next to each other did then you are likely to have space problems. On top of this there is a power concern and short of checking every electrical device that comes into the building...... Then there is the subject of extra heat caused by extra devices, think how much a CRT pumps out compared to a TFT.

It could be pointed out that laptops also draw power but tbh I would say the line has to be drawn somewhere and rather than making a complicated system based on size requirements and power usage which would require checking, they went for this one.

Unless I am wrong it which I am about to be flamed into the ground.

[EvilGav]

I was told no 2 monitors for i33, mainly for space reasons - you cant really fit two on a single desk.

I think theres a comment elsewhere that the power limit per desk is 1.5A as well.

[cwj]

Thanks for the fast response, they are both TFT's and took up a similar amount of room to my friends 24" dell monitor but I can see where you are coming from with the power issue I guess, even if some people have a 1.5KW PSU and I have a little corsair 620w :roll: it would be hard to police it. Looks like I will just be using the syncmaster and my rig on the desk with alt+tab for irc.

[Velox]

In my view they should let you pay to bring a laptop or a second screen. They'd get some cash for the administration of bringing another piece of kit in, checking it at security etc and they can allow for it in the power requirements.

Lets face it, a small second screen is probably around the same size as a laptop on the desk and I think would draw less power? They could make it say no more than a 15" or 17" and have a rule that you have to keep it all on your half of the desk so it doesn't impede others space.

Just a thought! :)

[EvilGav]

In my view they should let you pay to bring a laptop or a second screen. They'd get some cash for the administration of bringing another piece of kit in, checking it at security etc and they can allow for it in the power requirements.

Lets face it, a small second screen is probably around the same size as a laptop on the desk and I think would draw less power? They could make it say no more than a 15" or 17" and have a rule that you have to keep it all on your half of the desk so it doesn't impede others space.

Just a thought! :)

Well, what if the persons first monitor is a 24" Dell or the like ? That alone takes up all the desk space or near as damn it. I use a 22" widescreen and that doesn't leave much room for another monitor next to it, at i30 I had my 19" TFT and there wasn't enough room to have the PC sat next to the screen on the desk.

Maximum at i33 was around 750mm of desk space, a 17" 4:3 screen will be, at the very least, 337mm - so you could *just* fit 2 17" monitors on a desk (assuming the size I think the desk was is about right).

I do get what your saying and i'd be the first to sort out my 2 monitors to take, but the logistics would be just OTT. In my case, with my 22" widescreen, I couldn't even fit a 15" screen in the remaining space.

[Velox]

Thats true. I'm forgetting about the huge main screens people have these days.

[Rastaman-FB]

whats the shower situation like for campers

i dont fancy stinking or being amongst people who stink

i know some people wont shower cos they are smell lazy gits but some of us like to stay clean and fresh

[Baroness]

1. Waiting on that one. Will confirm.

Any answer yet on the guest-to-shower ratio question please?

And are there girls showers / boys showers or no division?

Thanks!

[Reaper]

Thanks for the fast response, they are both TFT's and took up a similar amount of room to my friends 24" dell monitor but I can see where you are coming from with the power issue I guess, even if some people have a 1.5KW PSU and I have a little corsair 620w :roll: it would be hard to police it. Looks like I will just be using the syncmaster and my rig on the desk with alt+tab for irc.

If I replace my 620W corsair with a 1.5Kw PSU I'll still be drawing the same~ amount of power.

[Lucifa]

And are there girls showers / boys showers or no division?


Hoping for no division :giggidy:

[QueKees]

Hoping for no division :giggidy:

hahaha. anything to get in there eh??!! :D

[Baroness]

Behave yourselves gentlemen! ;)

[cwj]

If I replace my 620W corsair with a 1.5Kw PSU I'll still be drawing the same~ amount of power.

Yeah but if you had more stuff running off the PSU like 3 8800's and 6 sata drives, cpu and memory overclock it would draw a fair bit of power from the mains.

Anyway I am just bringing the one monitor:awesome:

[Reaper]

Hoping for no division :giggidy:

Pfft, what ever happened to our planned happyfun shower time Lucifa:awesome:

[emoshun]

well no matter what, they shud have those lil cubicles with shower curtains...

[cwj]

Indeed. I do not want strange men looking at my pen0r.

[emoshun]

does anyone know the prices of paintballing please?

[Azrall]

The paintball will vary on how the paintball company operates. Usually you pay a flat fee of around £10. and then an extra £10 for the paint balls. though they may do something different for I34.

[Jofrak]

well no matter what, they shud have those lil cubicles with shower curtains...

Gotta be honest ..... most changing rooms for blokes generally have communal showers. In my experience at least =P

[Azrall]

lol the males showers in newbury just had that piece of 1940's tarpaulin covering your dignity!

[CyberfisH]

lol the males showers in newbury just had that piece of 1940's tarpaulin covering your dignity!

Or if you were 'Pro' you used the porta-showers that had locks on the doors.

[Azrall]

Or if you were 'Pro' you used the porta-showers that had locks on the doors.

yeah i could've been "pro" but I went "smart" as i didnt want to queue :)

[Soulspawn]

What do the camper do for shower arrangement how many is? etc this hasn't been answered yet.

[CyberfisH]

no Queue's at 6am! Learn to get up at sunrise ;)

[Soulspawn]

i did at i32 i got rubbish all sleep thanks to friend snoaring in my ear.

[aoi3610]

I have read several coments about monitors / space. What is the space available per player / maximum screen size. Can you pay for extra space? I am used to playing on a much bigger monitor than anyone has mentioned here, yet am still only a couple of feet from it usually, going down to a 19" monitor would be a killer, when I place my old 19" one against my new monitor it is absolutely dwarfed.

Caravans? I have read some questions about Caravan's, and if they can be an alternative to a tent etc. Power hook-ups... How much etc.

Thanks

[spraduke]

tbh i have seen monster monitors used (ie 24+). Aslong as you dont have two youll probably be ok.

[Carpet3]

tbh i have seen monster monitors used (ie 24+). Aslong as you dont have two youll probably be ok.



yep, saw somebody at i33 with what looked like a tv and that was ok.

[aoi3610]

I think your idea of a monster monitor is different to mine. I am used to playing on a 50" Samsung beheamoth, I could downsize to a 37" without much ado, but 24" . . . . Noooooooooooo.

Hence the question about monitor space.

[Freelance]

depends on the viewing distance imho. i play on a 24" at home and a 19" at lans, but at a lan i'm much closer to the screen so it probably takes up the same field of view

[SilentMike]

I think your idea of a monster monitor is different to mine. I am used to playing on a 50" Samsung beheamoth, I could downsize to a 37" without much ado, but 24" . . . . Noooooooooooo.

Hence the question about monitor space.
How can you use a 50 inch screen to game on?
Unless your going to be standing a good 5 foot away from it (LOL FLOATING KB AND MOUSE) your clearly trying to wave your enormous penis around. :awesome:

[aoi3610]

LOL.

It's really easy for games to be fair. You would no doubt agree if you were playing COD4 at 1920 x 1080 on a 50. I suppose you can't post pictures on here?

Not so sure about the enormous penis bit, the wife wouldn't anyway!!

It is OTT, I fully agree, the wife it not so impressed either but hey, I repair plasma's for a living, so using 1 on the PC was an easy thing for me to do at minimal cost, I don't have loads of money or anything. (Perhaps someday)

I didn't intend to bring the 50, damn thing weighs to much anyway, but I've usually got some 32's kicking around, that was my hope as the 19 I also have here really does look small now.

FYI It is sitting on the desk just as the old one did, and am only a foot from it in use, I really only changed to it because of COD4, I cannot begin to think how much i've spent in the last few months "improving" the way the machine / setup plays it.

It is a great game though, I usually get bored of games after a while, but not COD4, I've been playing it since it's release, In fact I've never played the single player, only online.

Thanks for the responses, still wondering on the caravan though?

[aoi3610]

I would be most surprised if I were the only person on here used to using a plasma a a PC monitor. Most surprised. My friend uses a 42" Samsung.

[PussyHunter]

Is this a good place to ask if Allegiance is still played at i-lans? Ain't been since i23 but it was always one of them games I looked forward to most :D

[Rastaman-FB]

whats the shower situation like for campers

i dont fancy stinking or being amongst people who stink

i know some people wont shower cos they are smell lazy gits but some of us like to stay clean and fresh

any response?

[Gilgamoth]

Any response on the "Can you sleep in your car" question?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Regards,

Gil

[Carpet3]

i'd be suprised if many people did play on screens that big. for me it's far too costly and a pretty crap res for the size.

[fishmongeruk]

reaper you where are you guys sitting? :) I'm missing the fun conversations on irc helpdesk (khall here :P) I think you guys were to our left at i33? I have most of my wow guild going now which will be nice a lot of norwegian chaps as well! :D

Might get my self a new monitor just before lan as well my poor old 19 is looking a tad small =[

And my lan fortress got replaced as it had some damage due to the snow and a slight lack of guide rope taughtness XD

http://a79.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/3/l_ada07f3f83532f892e18b4c879f6eb76.jpg

[EvilGav]

50" monitor is approx 1.1m across the bottom edge, 37" a little over 800mm. Desk size is around 700-800mm.

For the most part, you'd be ill advised to bring anything above 30".

[Lewis]

Question

anywhere we can set up our poker table for some games ???

[Dav3y]

I'd go with what EvilGav said. I seriously wouldn't plan on bringing anything bigger than 30" unless you purchase 2 seats next to each other, unless you want the person you're sharing your table with to be seriously pissed off.

Plasmas should be banned, they suck too much power :p

[defaye]

Any response on the "Can you sleep in your car" question?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?

Regards,

Gil

ofcourse you can, its just a bad idea if you wanna wake up with your face in your ass though

[SpideR_]

I would be most surprised if I were the only person on here used to using a plasma a a PC monitor. Most surprised. My friend uses a 42" Samsung.

I use a 50" Samsung Plasma to game on.

;)