Equilibrated teams and what can admin do about it???

[fichi_zulla]

Hi,i think im one of the players with highest rank on the Big 'n Strange SLV server, and i notice since long time one thing.
When admin Lover is on -playing, the teams are rarely equal -witch means she is 80% of the times on the team that wins match 8:0 / 8:1 etc..i ask many times if she can equal teams - no answer, she never bother to do something, she continues the massacre often with best players on her side...Is really not fun, thing thats is the most important about the existence of this server!

While i notice that admins like Helgar or Laup always try to make teams equal, so players can really enjoy equal game when they are arround.

Cannot say the same about Lover..she is not even switching to help the loosing team.. thought to be an admin takes adlist to have a sense of justice..that makes me think it may not be the right job for her...
This is my opinion and i ask other players to post about what they think, and if they noticed this behavior too.
Thanks!

[^gutts^]

Hi, im an old UT player -=VA=-PHOENIX(ITA) on big 'n strange, i agree with what fichi says, because the teams are never equal when Lover is in, she is an admin and she never does something to make it even.
Me,fichi and some other players often change teams to try to equibrate, but sometimes is not enough, i just hope you do something about it so we can have some fun!

[[CoW]J-Raw]

Teams are always off no matter who is playing - Lover is there to play like you said, not just admin.

Helgar especially tries to even teams, which is great congtratz helgar! I know myself and most of you wouldn't like to sit through a whole game with the console open switching everyones teams, like the admins often do just because people can't type !red or !blue

It's up to us guys not them - it's jut a shame theirs not more who want to switch teams, I do change a lot but I get angry when people expect certain people to automatically switch.

[Elfstone]

Hi,

Elfstone here, long time player on SLV#1/#2.

I tried to talk to Lover about that, to no avail. What follows is a rather detailed account of my experience with that issue - I took notes because I thought I would need them at some point.

The first time was on 20071126, I told her during gameplay that going fast to 8-0 or 8-1 without balancing teams was ruining the game, she said she had never done that (I am absolutely positive I saw her do it many times in the past including the day before).

On 20071128 5pm GMT+1, two consecutive matches (CTF-xmasknot[ram] then CTF-w00tabulous) ended up at 8-0 then 8-1 with Lover taking respectedly spots #2 then #1 of the winning team. I confronted her :
me : "8-1 after 8-0... are you still calling me a liar Ch ? :)"
she answered "I don't want to hear it Elf"
I told her "I know you don't want to hear it Ch :)" which summarizes the problem - Lover never tries to even teams when she's winning by a large margin.

On 20071202 2:10am GMT+1 (CTF-xmasknot[ram]), the game is run for about 90% of the time with totally unbalanced teams (skill-wise, about 5 players against 7, number-wise, 6 vs 7) , with Lover head of the winning team (and boasting once "i killed your whole team" to damanfromdelmonte, killing_time, duffy, and molella). This game ended at 5-1 with even teams due to arrivals during the last minute.

Please note that I never used multiplay's public forums before, but I took the time to keep some statistics and document what I really think is abuse from an extremely skilled UT player with admin rights i.e. with the tools to even teams. Lover even threatened to kick me once for putting this on the table, accusing me of "trying to start things" (exact sentence was "I'm tired of you trying to start things Elf").

Maybe Flash, Laup and Helgar spoiled me by taking the time to even teams in the first place :) Thank you.

So, yes, Fichi_Zulla, I think you are right, I noticed the same abusive behaviour from Lover.

Elfstone

[Elfstone]

BTW, switching to make teams more fair only works with even number teams. If the higher numbered team has newbie players, you cannot switch to help them. So switching ourselves only works in a limited number of situations.

[[CoW]J-Raw]

The "Sorry, teams are already balanced" is a pain at times yeh.

[ez64]

Yeah ive noticed when I can join a server its nearly always super imbalanced to one team.

[Rocky®]

Yep, I think taht this is the problem why are the scores soo bad like 8 vs 1. Cuz if the server is full, normal players can't change to the loseing team.

[Crazy-drummer]

From what I've seen, there are lots of new players on the CTF 1 and 2 servers these days that end up with 0 frags and -2 points after a 15 minute game, and there's usually 2 or 3 on one team and none on the other thus making teams unbalanced. Are the newbie friendly and intermediate servers still active?

Now i'm not saying new players shouldn't play on the SLV servers, just that if you've got 0 frags after 15 minutes , it can't be much fun, and maybe you should go train a bit on the other server. Learn to dodge, not run in a straight line, and basically not being an easy target.

And I've noticed the teams "unbalanceness" alot, almost all the time, not only when Lover is around, and even then, what could she do? spend the whole game switching players around till its just right only to have to start over next map? Hardly fun for the switcher or the switchee.

Just my 2 Eurocents...

[assrat]

First off, since this is a complain-about-Lover-thread, I also have to add something: What I don't like about her is the regular fakenicking, but that got nothing to do with the teams. I don't think that Lover is in any way more responsible for uneven teams than other good players.
Also I don't agree that Helgar or Laup would always balance teams. Yesterday evening I played a game hat ended 8:1 with both Helgar and Laup on. Not only did they not balance the teams, but they even called it a "good game" in the end. That doesn't mean I dislike them, but it's not true that they would *always* even the teams out.

However what I agree with, is that uneven teams is a (or better yet, THE) problem on the CTF servers. More often than not, games end 8:0 or 8:1, which is as funny as a wet fart. The "!teams" trigger is of no use, because if it actually switches someone, then always the person who last joined, which is usually a lesser-skilled player. Switching such a player doesn't change the game in any way.
Not many players switch voluntarily anyway and when you lose a game 0:8, you aren't exactly motivated to help others in the next game when *they* lose 0:8. So in the end fewer and fewer players switch.

What would be nice IMHO is a mod that automatically switches players when teams are completely unbalanced. So something like:
if: score of team 1 and score of team 2 differ by more than 3
then: switch the player with the most points from the leading team with the player with the least points from the other team

[Visine]

I have played for years with the admins mentioned and most of you and sometimes teams end up unbalanced and you get a big win. You can't help it.

I often try to even up teams and have seen the admins mentioned do it many times, but after you have switched 2 or 3 times you just say what the hell and play the game.

If there is an issue here i'm sure the senior admins will look at the data and respond as needed now the matter has been raised.

Trust them folks trust them.

Visine{AGUT}[TrufF] etc

Ps

What Assrat is suggesting where !teams would balance scorerers as well as numbers would be good but i have no idea if it is do able

[[CoW]J-Raw]

NogginBasher has a mod on his server that gives regular players a 'score' (I think this is the you get X cookies one..) and it balances teams out check this thread:

http://www.unrealadmin.org/forums/showthread.php?t=23777

May be worth BETAing it!

[[TDC]B@dShot®]

First, why should she change teams because the team she is on is kicking the others butt? So she switches teams and then has to switch back again when they start leading. Stop whining, she should not have to sacrifice her playing normally just because she is a good player and an admin. Secondly....she does the "fakenicking" from time to time to get a break from whiny people and be able to actually play in peace. I get me butt handed to me all the time in the game, I do not have the skill a lot of the people have, but I dont whine about teams, someone killing me constantly, spawn killers, base campers....I dont care, I just like playing the game win or lose, it is a nice way to recover from real life. Heck, I am playing with one hand for the last month or so, try that out sometime. Instead of worrying about one team dominating another and blaming it on one or two people, get better at playing to where you can beat them and stop whining. She is not cheating, she is just playing the game...it is a game btw. If the rules keep changing to make everyone happy, we might as well start playing pong on the ol' Atari...maybe solitaire, that way no one is to blame for losing except yourself....

added note, she does change teams at times to make folks happy...I do not blame her for not doing it though if someone is constantly harassing her to do so... why must some of you folks act like little kids, "little johnny keeps hitting home runs, he should be made to bunt since he plays so well, kick him off the team" Learn how to throw strikes instead of insults.

[Neophyte]

I quite often play on the SLV servers, always fakenick though so you wouldnt know it. The reason? I get pestered to death if people know its me. It's not Lovers job to even the teams and looking at the chat logs for the servers I honestly don't blame her for changing nicks.

[fichi_zulla]

I know there is no way teams are going to be even 100% of time, all i was commenting was her behavior,and time when admin is in the game - to make it fair - not make it worse?! How if we make Marraper, jackson or Tyranny an admin??? Im sure the server will get more empty with the time, i know many people who stopped playing for this reason, no fun anymore if players like this are in the game not changing teams and admin do not help to make it even when is there...
I thought there is a reason why people become admins, people that dont care only about their own frags, but about all to have good fair game!

[Flash_]

Are the newbie friendly and intermediate servers still active?

Newbie is, but often under-used. Intermediate has now gone as it wasn't being used at all.

Now i'm not saying new players shouldn't play on the SLV servers, just that if you've got 0 frags after 15 minutes , it can't be much fun, and maybe you should go train a bit on the other server. Learn to dodge, not run in a straight line, and basically not being an easy target.

No, I'm totally against that. I appreciate playing a team game with a weak team isn't always as fun as it could be but these aren't leet-only servers and with the reducing number of ut99 players we need to encourage and include new players. Why? Because the more players there are - the longer these servers will be justifiable.

Be selfish, encourage a newbie!

The bottom line is that on public servers with people joining and leaving all the time, balanced games are incredibly rare, regardless of who is adminning if anyone. This has always been the case on all team game types. This makes the tight games worth all the more.

It's incredibly easy to play a game and not notice the teams are completely skewed even by several players, if you get into the groove you can be thinking you're just playing wonderfully well, or on big maps that the action is happening elsewhere, and when you do finally see the imbalance it's a shock.
People that think that need to accept that admins play the game too, they don't just sit in spectator 24/7 looking for problems. Try it yourself for a bit - if you enjoy playing UT, sitting in spec for more than a few minutes makes you want to get in there and start fragging yourself!

[Neophyte]

OK, seems a lot of you are not happy. I am going to get lover working with Laup who in my opinion is an excellent admin and see if we can resolve this without upsetting anyone. I do however need you guys to give lover a chance whilst we are working with her and I'm sure she will do likewise. Any problems please come and see me direct.

R3plicant has already objected and informed me he is going to bring Multiplay down :roll:

[Duffy]

your rarely going to get games that are going to end up 8.7 or really close your going to get games when a team runs away and wins it easily , when admins try and make the teams equel it can sometimes ruin the game by making to many changes and allot of people get angered by having to be made to switch .

its up to the players who are on top and walking through the game to switch teams you cant always rely on admins

my opinion :keke:

[fichi_zulla]

I dont agree with you Flash, if you wanna be selfish just go to play DEATHMATCH!!!

[fichi_zulla]

AND- when new players are in - and i kick their butt continuosly - i dont think they get encouraged -they will leave UT instead - when they get match 8:0

[MrHERO]

I would very much appreciate it if you people didn't moan so much like: "Look at what she does, she is playing a fun game and not balancing the teams..."

As far as I know ^LOVER was an UT player far before ever becoming a Multiplay server administrator and I think most other UT server administrators have that in common with her... Thus what I'm saying is that she's not just an administrator but an UT player as well, so why deny her the right to not just be administrator but be a fun having player as well?

It’s not up to her to patrol a server all the time and in my opinion she does a great job when she does play police officer on the SLV-server. In my opinion, the reason that she has become a Multiplay administrator is because she’s a good person and she was willing to give us quite a large share of her time by keeping an eye on the Multiplay servers.

I think that with ^LOVER around some games might not be as fair and even as we might prefer it, but without ^LOVER around a far larger amount of games wouldn’t be worth playing. So all in all she does make the SLV server a far better place to play your games on.

I think the real problem are 2 groups of people:
1.The group of “good players” that team up and can’t be bothered to switch teams and make the game fair
2.The group of players that say: “Oh! We’re playing a game and guess what? We’re losing! Oh! How can we play a game and lose? This is so horrible! Let’s moan off at people we can moan off to!”

That's just my two cents' worth...,
CWL

[Crazy-drummer]

I think J-Raw's proposal should be given some thought...

[Champs]

Some of you guys are so picky!

The game can't always be even unfortunately and its greately improved since truffs days with the likes of !teams being introduced to make the teams even.

Lover is a great admin and does her best to make things even and unfortunately she cant always be there to make it right. She has a lot of time for the server and I think people should lay off her a little bit. She's just like everyone else wanting to have a bit of fun and a good game!

(and best of all we all like to shoot her down :P haha)

Try and enjoy the games guys, of course it's not easy when 1 team dominates sometimes but sometimes we should be thankful that we even have a server atall!

[FOULPT]

your rarely going to get games that are going to end up 8.7 or really close your going to get games when a team runs away and wins it easily , when admins try and make the teams equel it can sometimes ruin the game by making to many changes and allot of people get angered by having to be made to switch .

its up to the players who are on top and walking through the game to switch teams you cant always rely on admins

my opinion :keke:

my opinion is like duffy said
rarely i swicth from 1 team to the other ,but sometimes i do it ,and i saw lover going to spect to let others play.
dont think that lover has been a bad admin so far.
fichy is rigth about that noob stuff ,if they get their ass kicked they wont
fell happy and maybe they never play ut again .
i think this even teams issue is a thing that old players should do wen they see noobs around and try to even the game, not admin problem.
imagine lover wasent an admin ,what would happen ? you will complain about who ?

[R3plicant]

I NEVER kick up a stink without just cause,.. sadly this is one of those just causes, except this is exceptional and extreme. I think I speak for a LOT of MPUK BnS regulars when I say this:

This thread was not born from disgust about 'even teams' and Lovers lack of care towards it, or her fakenicking etc etc,.......

It's about this,..... Lover/Bazoo is NOT fit to be an admin,... BECAUSE:

1. She REPEATEDLY fastcaps,. and if I'm not mistaken that is against the rules of the MPUK BnS servers. She gets a flag, BOLTS to her base completely, wholely, truly at the expense of fair play.
2. She does NOT even the teams by request when she's admin; and only ever seems to do it when HER team NEEDS the help.
3. She swaps sides so SHE'S on the winning side, FREQUENTLY.
4. She HATES losing, (I do too, I admit, but less so), so would sooner tell anyone else to shut up if they were to ask her to swap sides when it'd mean she'd be on the losing side; or she'd ignore them completely as if they didn't even exist.
5. She does NOT do her 'job' at ALL properly or even fairly when she DOES decide to make herself present.
6. As an admin she'd be better to shut HER trap when she's 'fairly' winning and not blatantly brag about it. You don't see Laup or Helgar boasting and winding people up when THEY win or score a frag; at 'worst' they'd laugh a little about the circumstances of the point they'd just won/earnt - fair play to them.
7. Another thing,.. Laup and Helgar DIDN'T get their responsibilities by being good players,.. they got it from being level-headed, respectful, fair, honest, FUN and righteous players; Lover is NONE of the above.
8. Talking of reponsibilities,.. with power, comes those responsibilities,. Lover has the power,.. (wrongly IMHO), yet she possesses NO responsibility to self-govern her power.
9. She is a cold-hearted, selfish, arrogant, greedy bully; FACT!
Lastly,..
10. I think Neophyte was VERY misguided to have allowed her to be admin in the first place; he has said he wishes to try and resolve the issue by teaming her up with Laup; now I don't speak for Laup, he has the right to say whatever he wishes about his involvement with Lover; but frankly I'd be upset if he did decide to, team her up with Laup,... like,.. she needs lessons or mentoring from an expert, (that Laup indeed is), on how to be rational and level-headed?? I thought that in his ALMIGHTY wise decision to make her an admin, Neophyte had already made it clear he figured she was already a just, tustworthy and honest individual; it would appear that is NOT the case Neophyte! Hence my kicking up this stink with this response,........................
As already mentioned; I believe you were severely misguided in letting her become admin. Big mistake pal!

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If you, like me are NOT happy with Lovers' behaviour and attitude to fair-play,.. then SPEAK,.. don't be intimidated by any of the MPUK Powers-That-Be either. You know as well as I do, that most of us,.. if not ALL of us want a FAIR, HONEST game,.. and when Lover is around the games are NOT fair, nor even, nor healthy; and worst of all,. THEY ARE NOT FUN!!!

SHE IS ONLY ADMIN FOR HER OWN ILL-GOTTEN GAINS,.. and she does NOT care about YOU having FUN,... ONLY HERSELF.

Lover OUT!!

[MOD]

I feel the only reason this has been brought up is lover is one of the admins that plays on the server a lot. I have seen Lover switch teams to help the other team, many times. I have also seen her team balance to make teams fair. People moan to much when they lose. This entire thread is a load of bollox. I think she is a great admin.

[MOD]

why is replicant posting here if he has threatend to bring mpuk down i would think that would be a life ban from all things mpuk

[Duffy]

i dont see the point in this topic tbh your not always going to get really close games , experienced and mature players learn to accept this there is no point in moaning about it, i dont find its that bad on these servers i always have a good time :roll:

Lover is a respected player on these servers and she does her best to help the servers she loves to play on there is no reason to single her out as she is not at fault for anythinh

this top shud be closed

[R3plicant]

why is replicant posting here if he has threatend to bring mpuk down i would think that would be a life ban from all things mpuk

I did not threaten to bring MPUK down,.. that has been taken out of context and sorely misquoted, I said in IRC:

[19:57] <+R3plicant> if she gets UT3 and gets to be admin on THERE,.. I will NEVERA go play on there,.. and will ALSO mass advertise players to keep away

That's what I said. No mention of bringing MPUK down.

[Flash_]

fichy is rigth about that noob stuff ,if they get their ass kicked they wont
fell happy and maybe they never play ut again .

Fichy has a fair point there - however, they *should* be encouraged to play on an open server if the Newbie one is empty. We have seen several players kickvoting newbies or telling them to go play elsewhere. That's not nice.

There's also the complication at the moment that the bots on all servers are on auto-learn. That means that bots on Newbie server often get to Godlike level and the newbies stand a much better chance on CTF1 or 2 where the skill level is more usually around medium.

[[CoW]J-Raw]

Everyone's got feelings about other players especially regular ones. But lover is an active player and an admin it seems people feel the need to drag her down as shes more in the spotlight - it's disrespectful the way this is being broadcast, and immature, and to be honest I'm ashamed to class myself as part of what I believe is a great community as it showing itself to be a whole different thing in this thread.

edit: Lover has feelings too!!

[Duffy]

thats the fun with ut you never know what level your team is at and you have to do treble the work to try and win for your team and thats the best fun. fichi has played ut for many years and is a good player i dont see why this has been brought up now when every other server is the same on the team front

[Rocky®]

I absolutely agree whit MrHERO, [TDC]B@dShot®, FOUL-PT and MOD!

[Champs]

Rep have to say you're a bit over the top with your post there mate.

Why are you trying to force people out of mpuk? Lover would never set out to cause trouble. She just wants to play and have a good time like everyone else and im sure you're the same.

Don't try and force people out mate, be nice and we can all get on great.

This thread is stupid!

[[TDC]B@dShot®]

no comment

[fichi_zulla]

MrHERO spare your poems about Lover we are not here to judge what kind of wonderfull person she is.
The point i keep making about her as an admin is - if she cannot equilibrate teams -OK- but adlist she can stop making it worse for the noobie team by not changing or speed capping - thought as an admin she should be our example, unfortunately is not like that.
Anyway im surprised how fast and how many people post to this forum...as if someone told them ehmm Lover..
///Im a good person too ;) /// and i started this thread cos i like things to be fair!

[Visine]

Wow a hornets nest stirred up here.

UT imho opinion is a game played on fast reactions, instinct and passion. When Lover is playing for her self I think its fun to watch her go slightly nuts. Easier to frag like that.

Lover = fun player

Cold fish= boring

Maybe her passion has gotten in the way sometime. But i have not witnessed it.

Neo did a poll when Lover was made an admin. THere were no nay sayers then she had been playing a MPUK for a good long while and everyone knew her style.

Play on Lover

TTFN

Vis

[Champs]

MrHERO spare your poems about Lover we are not here to judge what kind of wonderfull person she is.
The point i keep making about her as an admin is - if she cannot equilibrate teams -OK- but adlist she can stop making it worse for the noobie team by not changing or speed capping - thought as an admin she should be our example, unfortunately is not like that.
Anyway im surprised how fast and how many people post to this forum...as if someone told them ehmm Lover..
///Im a good person too ;) /// and i started this thread cos i like things to be fair!

Lovers always done that though Fichi? It can be a good challenge to stop her cant it? Ok it might not help the game but there's no need to totally blow it out of proportion is there?

[Flash_]

why is replicant posting here if he has threatend to bring mpuk down i would think that would be a life ban from all things mpuk

To add some relevance to this thread, R3plicant was banned yesterday for abuse. Fichi is R3p's friend and ^gutts^ is a friend of Fichi.

[fichi_zulla]

PASSION FOR THE GAME HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BEEING A GOOD ADMIN!!!
I LIKE UT VERY MUCH AND I LIKE FAIR PLAY!!!
IF WE WANT THIS SERVER TO BE LAME LETS NOT DO ANYTHING!!!
IF YOU LIKE IT LIKE THAT IM GONNA BE OUTTA HERE !!!!

[fichi_zulla]

TO FLASH !!!
YES THEY ARE ALL MY FRIENDS AND MUCH MORE ARROUND 50 PLAYERS, SORY I HAVE FRIENDS AFTER 5 YEARS I PLAY THIS GAME

[Visine]

Fichi

Passion has everything to do with being an Admin.

Most of them do not work for MPUK and do not get payed.

They do it because they love the game they have a passion for it.

As long as there is no abuse. lets all just play the game

Boom

Here we go

Vis

Ps

Passion = Big Red letters.

o//

[R3plicant]

She just wants to play and have a good time like everyone else and im sure you're the same.
Respectfully,... She ONLY wants to have HER OWN fun,.. at the expense of anyone else she can get one over on. She does NOT care about anyone else. You only have to see how she treats players who're less skilled as she is,.. (on an SLV anyway), and yes, I confess this includes me. With her, she shows no restraint, no self-control and no regard for letting OTHERS have fun when she's playing or admining.
Mr.Badshot,.. I'm sorry to have offended you both with my words; but NONE of this would have to have been said had it not been for Lovers' selfishness in-game as a player or admin.
It seems she is going to singlehandedly ruin the MPUK BnS servers whether I complain or not, and I'm losing friends faster than if I did it myself with my usual mouthing off on the servers.

[fichi_zulla]

OR THEY DO IT ALSO TO HAVE POWER OVER OTHER PLAYERS...AND DO THINGS THEY WANT,, MOST PEOPLE WONT KICK HER COS SHE IS ADMIN

I THINK WE SHOULD CLOSE UP THIS THREAD IS GOING NOWHERE, IF THINGS WONT CHANGE LIKE I SAID IM SURE MANY PEOPLE LEAVE WITH TIME, LETS NOT FORGET IS OLD GAME IF THEY DONT GET FAIR CHANCES THEY JUST PLAY SOMETHING OR SOMEWHERE ELSE...

[MrHERO]

I'm sorry "fichi_zulla", but I just have my own opinion and I don't give a damn about you or anyone else. I'm just saying ^LOVER is doing a great job and doesn't need your s***ty moans about her. What the hell are you thinking anyway? "Wow look at her! She has power and doesn't use it? How can that be? Wouldn't anyone just love to babysit a bunch of moaning babies and balance teams every bloody second?".

I just hope ^LOVER is clever enough to realize that being an administrator doesn't just mean being praised for the good job that she does but also means getting s*** from brats for being human and doing the right thing...

So ^LOVER took a small break and just enjoyed a game in which the teams were not completely balanced and you ended up on the losing team... I know that it must have given you a horrible feeling, I know the pain that comes with losing and believe me I feel for you, but why blame it on her? Why didn't you say: "Hey number one of the winning team, you're quite a good player! Why don't you please switch to the losing team because I can't take it if I lose a game".

**snip**

[Champs]

lol guys chill out... its only a game!!

Try and get along, you're all great at the game so try and enjoy it, this is silly.

[Elfstone]

Flash,
To add some relevance to the thread, I'm a long time player of Multiplay who's come to believe Lover's behaviour is abusive after seeing :
* speedcaps at the start of the game when the server lags
* fast 8-0 games against outskilled teams
* no reaction to teams eq. requests
It's probably better if this thread is not turned into a "for-Lover" vs "against-Lover" thread, it's a thread about what some players think is abusive behaviour from an admin, and what should be done about it.
I think J-Raw's suggestion of an automatic "evening teams"' system is one that should be given thought - it would probably solve the "uneven teams" problem. That's not everything this thread is about, but a good start.

[Elfstone]

MrHERO, it's not about *one game*.
It's about repetitive behaviour, something that's "been there" for a long time, but only made worse by the appearance of new unskilled players on the server (I'm totally *for* the inclusion of these players in regular servers).

I believe we are all able to endure losing, but being the only player above 10 points in a team, when all the other team's players have 40+, makes you think twice about continuing playing in the same terms.

A team balance system is needed, indeed.

[fichi_zulla]

*snip*

[Duffy]

ut is a fast played game and playing games arent always fair , in football when someones winning 3,0 u cant ask the ref to give the other team an extra 5 players , if you cant accept the fact that games arent always goin to be close then mibi you are in the wrong game and should take up hop skotch because ut isnt always close.

and lover does a great job everyone respects her and every time ive been on with her its always been a good game

end topic plz :awesome:

[Champs]

ut is a fast played game and playing games arent always fair , in football when someones winning 3,0 u cant ask the ref to give the other team an extra 5 players , if you cant accept the fact that games arent always goin to be close then mibi you are in the wrong game and should take up hop skotch because ut isnt always close.

and lover does a great job everyone respects her and every time ive been on with her its always been a good game

end topic plz :awesome:


Well Said Duffy!

[fichi_zulla]

we already talked about it duffy... please lets not repeat ourseves

[R3plicant]

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Look I know this is a pretty heated debate,.. but still,. no need to get all visciferal. Time we cooled it,... all of us,.. take a deep breath,. take a swig of alcohol, and just relaxed,.. Peace.

[Duffy]

:keke:

[Duffy]

has anyone seen the film 300 , its amazing

[fichi_zulla]

NO PEACE, UNTIL THE GAMES ON THE SERVER ARE
LAME !

[Duffy]

i dont think any of us are short sighted fichi

[fichi_zulla]

LOL Duffy

[Visine]

:cheers:

This post has offically got legs.

All i need is beer and Pretzels.

Vis

[MrHERO]

has anyone seen the film 300 , its amazing

My friend got it from another friend but I couldn't be bothered to watch it because it was far to dark and there were people standing up from their cinema seats and walking through the screen. I might buy the DVD if it sells for 7euro.

Does anyone know about the "Dragonball live action" movie?

[Duffy]

a bit late for that is it not vis , pretzels are dangerous

[fichi_zulla]

! at this point im off to UT3 .. to some fair-play server uffff...
For me this thread is closed maybe i post here thru my friends like Lover ..
TO ALL NICE EVENING!!!

[Neophyte]

Can we please not abuse each other, it's getting neither side anywhere and will only see the thread close, I have edited the relevant posts.

Thankyou

[Warlord]

Well cannot add much. I don't really care, when i use to be a n00b i would always love to go against my Truff heros (Toufman/Nagash/Luap) i respected these players and salut them they made me learn to become better player.

I think it's good for the side that is loosing to learn from their mistakes. It's healthy to have good challenge specialy when your loosing badly (I love it! :>:)

Whenever i change team to another then other winning team start loosing and say it's not fair blah blah.

If i change to another team please do not question me (don't care who you are) i'm only doing it cause admins are not around to equal it and that i always go on the n00b side to get better challenging game. I don't like it when a admin forces me to move to a stronger team when i sure as hell know the other team won't stand a chance.

Apart from what i said i cannot really say much or comment lover and other admins. I just love Luap's judgment i crown him as the elite admin lol.

P.S. I wouldn't wish to be admin because of the abuse i would get from players forcing me to listen to them it's a stressful position.....

[fichi_zulla]

warlord, please dont talk about challenge you are the first one to leave when the team is loosing,
you do it always,
and most people posting to this forum i never seen on the server - so what the heck they can know about Lover's lame behaviour
I know what i know, and i have proof - screenshots - so all this is defending is useless people..
Lover screw up as and admin in this way and we all know it...
Would be nice she tipe something i know she red it all...

[Neophyte]

I'm now closing this, Lover stays as admin, having spent 3 hours reading through boring chat logs it is clear to me the people moaning in this thread have all been to an extent bullying or goading admins.

If you all don't like it then go play elsewhere, if you can live with it then you welcome to stay.

And anyone else asking me if admins can see their ips...ask again and I will publically post them for all to see.

Finally, grow up and take the defeats like the rest of us, comments such as "She caps the flag too quickly" are quite frankly insane...it's capture the flag for gods sake, whats she supposed to do? walk back with it admiring the scenery?

And lastly, I've no problem with banning the lot of ya so be warned.