What now?

[Mouce]

After the events of 11th of September 2001 the world will never be the same. I am now going to try to list what will probably happen in the next few weeks... In my opinion the Americans were arrogant and they should have seen it comming, this is a great tradgedy, much like the bombing of the appartment blocks in Russia(but, there was no news flash)

Now that Bush(Monkey) has decided to ussue a wanted list and Arrafat is now on top of it... "Dead or alive", well, I think that a lot of ppl will die before the americans will even touch him. Its a bit ironic, that the Talaban were orriginallly funded by the CIA, when the Russians invaded Aufganistan(Big fauliure) and, the money fed and kept them happy, after Russia retreated the money was withdrawn and the ppl were left in a nasty sutiation, the goverment was unstable and there was chaos... the talaban decided to go on raiding missions(with all of that nice new weaponry that they purchased from the west). Now the boarders have been sealed and Aufganistan is left alone with Pakistan. A lot of these ppl will die innocently. 22 million are at risk... compared to the 20 thousand lost in the dissaster. This is unjustifiable, and the fact that most Ammericans are supporting this is unbelievable... tbh, I have given up on the Americans....

Putin, will take the oppertunety to get rid of Chetchnya, since, in his eyes they are terrorists. Which obviously they are not, he wants revenge for the appartment blocks and all of the ppl killed by them.

Also, Bush(Monkey) talked about getting rid of International terrorists... but Cuban terrorists sit in Miami undisturbed, and on the CIA paypackadge I belive... America will only get rid of the "terrorists" that are not in the Americans best interest... note the "" marks... this means that they will really only wipe out the country that the terrorists originated from. Then there will be a few murders of silly small clans and the "campaing" will die out.

Also, when views like this were voiced in question time on BBC 1, it was said that the room was full of Serbian Sympathisers... this is impossible!!!! since the selection process is so thorough.

I hope that this does not happen here, please read this carefully, I am not saying that the attack was right, only that the reaction and the conciquenses will be diar....

Yours Trully


Mouce

[Ruth]

How very philosophical of you.


Oooh, do i smell McDonalds!?!

[LordPhil]

Originally posted by Rooth
How very philosophical of you.


Oooh, do i smell McDonalds!?! I agree

[Ruth]

No, sorry. What i meant to say was, don't you think the media totally screwed things about?

I noticed BBC were like "YES, DISATER! New York has been attacked!! *mumble* We dont know how many have been killed *mumble* But oh no!!! America! Disater!!"

And, did you notice how they made all of the emphasis on the people in the towers? What about the poor people on the planes!?

I'm going to be brutally honest here, which may result in my ass being whupped at i9, but when i saw the news i creid. It makes me sick that we live in a world where there are people who could do that kinda thing to innocent civilians. Its what armies were made for, y'know? Hacking your enemies to bits in a war-zone, not 4 year old children with their mothers in aeroplanes.


I might have something to add later, when ive finished eating my pizza. (Twas pizza......not McDonalds)

[Mouce]

yus, this is tottaly evil :(

[Mouce]

hmmm, this is something I got in my email today....

Dear Gary and whoever else is on this email thread:
I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan back to the
Stone Age." Ronn Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed that this would
mean
killing innocent people, people who had nothing to do with this
atrocity, but "we're at war, we have to accept collateral damage. What else
can
we do?" Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we "have
the belly to do what must be done."
And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard because I am
from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for 35 years I've
never lost track of what's going on there. So I want to tell anyone who will
listen how it all looks from where I'm standing.
I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden. There is no
doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for the atrocity in New
York.
I agree that something must be done about those monsters.
But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're not even the
government of Afghanistan. The Taliban are a cult of ignorant
psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is a political
criminal
with a plan. When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin Laden,
think Hitler. And when you think "the people of Afghanistan" think "the Jews
in the concentration camps." It's not only that the Afghan people had
nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the first victims of the
perpetrators.
They would exult if someone would come in there, take out the Taliban
and clear out the rats nest of international thugs holed up in their
country.
Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the Taliban? The
answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt, incapacitated, suffering.
A few years ago, the United Nations estimated that there are 500,000
disabled orphans in Afghanistan-a country with no economy, no food.
There are millions of widows. And the Taliban has been burying these
widows alive in mass graves. The soil is littered with land mines, the farms
were all destroyed by the Soviets. These are a few of the reasons why the
Afghan people have not overthrown the Taliban.
We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to the Stone
Age.
Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took care of it already.
Make the Afghans suffer? They're already suffering.
Level their houses? Done.
Turn their schools into piles of rubble? Done. Eradicate their
hospitals? Done.
Destroy their infrastructure? Cut them off from medicine and
health care? Too late. Someone already did all that.
New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs. Would they at
least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's Afghanistan, only the Taliban
eat, only they have the means to move around. They'd slip away and hide.
Maybe the bombs would get some of those disabled orphans, they don't move
too
fast, they don't even have wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and
dropping bombs wouldn't really be a strike against the criminals who did
this
horrific thing. Actually it would only be making common cause with the
Taliban-by raping once again the people they've been raping all this
time.
So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now speak with
true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden is to go in there
with ground troops. When people speak of "having the belly to do what needs
to be done" they're thinking in terms of having the belly to kill as many
as needed. Having the belly to overcome any moral qualms about killing
innocent people. Let's pull our heads out of the sand. What's actually
on the table is Americans dying. And not just because some Americans would
die fighting their way through Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout. It's
much bigger than that, folks. Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd
have to go through Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The
conquest of Pakistan would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just
stand by? You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war between
Islam and the West.
And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program. That's exactly what he
wants. That's why he did this. Read his speeches and statements. It's all
right there. He really believes Islam would beat the West. It might seem
ridiculous, but he figures if he can polarize the world into Islam and
the West, he's got a billion soldiers. If the west wreaks a holocaust in
those lands, that's a billion people with nothing left to lose, that's even
better from Bin Laden's point of view. He's probably wrong, in the end the
West would win, whatever that would mean, but the war would last for years
and millions would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for
that?
Bin Laden does. Anyone else?

Tamim Ansary

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

Wars shouldn't happen.
It should all be decided by a massive game of Quake, Counter Strike or Unreal.
Best of 3 wins France or something.
At least this way no one gets physically hurt. Unless you were a country that gets beaten to death for losing.

[Big Giant Head]

I got sent an email written by someone who escaped from the WTC tower 1 from the 87th floor how he got down and which of his friends and workmates made it out etc

Really brings it home :(

[Dwarf_Pr0n]

The worst pictures I found were the ones of people jumping out the windows.
I'd have taken my chances with the fire rather than jump from that height.
Jump and die for sure.
Try making a run for it past the fire and stuff and MAYBE survive.

I know what my choice would have been.

[zhardoum]

action, counter reaction causes action, repeat to the Nth degree.

What Bin laden has done is start a chain reaction.

Question is did bin laden start it, or was bin laden (as in a person with his mentality and aims) a product of a counter reaction.

you see, you hijack 4 planes, and fly them into new york, and kill lots of civilians,

what then, America has to act. it has no choice.

to not react would to entice others to follow, only by responding to an attack will others not try to follow.

However, any other country may react with less gusto, Americans always have had an over inflated ego, probably always will.

so, America wants payback, and it wants it Big, it wants it messy, and it wants it, no matter what the cost, preferably on prime time TV just around meal time New York time.

America has had its Vietnam, but this time, it is the civilians who are pushing the army, not the army pushing the civilians.

So, America makes its play, it has no choice, its target has to be visible, and it has to be soon.

Anti terrorists countermeasures may be needed, but they dont win elections, and they dont satisfy the blood lust of a country itching to show everybody just how big their guns really are.


The taliban are an evil entity, they preach the koran, yet overturn all the rules of the koran to suit their needs. The novel 1984 summed it up nicely, 1 rule for everyone, and another rule for everyone
else

So, high ho, high ho, its off to war we go...

then what..

do the muslims go to join their 'brothers'.. probably..

does the west, (who have to support America, because when all said and done, you cannot let people kill civilians in your own back yard, if not new york, it could have easily been london, or paris, or rome, or madrid, or moscow) sit back and let America do it all alone?

No, of course not, because before even a round has been fired, the politicians are already worrying about trade rites after the war, and wether America will be friedly to them after the war, or unfriendly.

so then, we have a war, which the Taliban call a religous war, and the west will call a fight for freedom, as they did in WWII

eventually, the muslims will realise the war isn't a religous war, and that the taliban like hitler was having them on.

The west will go home satisfied that everything is as it should be, and that America has once again saved humanity all on its own.

the muslims will go home, carrying an even bigger hatred of western values, which is a shame as it wasnt the West's values that hijacked the planes.

I can see the films now, before its even happened.

there is going to be a war boys and girls, like it or not, its part of the cycle, then in 60 years time, when people have forgotten why we had the last big war it will start again.

I dare not think of the numbers of people who are going to die.

I don't want war, I dont want anybody to die, I just want people to be able to understand that not everybody in the world has the same ideas as everyone else, and that its not ok to kill people just to get your point across.

however, I for one think that what is happening is part of a long list of events that started probably as far back as the original cave men spotted another group of cave men who wore different clothes and spoke a different language.

can we change what is happening now, can the world stop the War before it starts, of course it can.

When people lie dying, or hold a dead loved one, or cry thinking of lost loved ones, and scream out why, why did this happen, why wan't something done?

its very simple.

because people wanted it.

Go on, ask an American if he wants to go to war, see what the reply is.

Ask the Taliban if they want war, see what their reply is (omit the rhetoric if we have too, blah blah balh, if americans invade blah blah blah) bottom line is they want it to.

And then ask the same question to the thousands of muslims in the region, again skip the rhetoric, they want war to.

I tell you now, humans are our own worst enemy.

here we are on a planet, fragile, with all sorts of diseases, poverty, suffering, a whole hosts of issues to deal with, and all the things we can do, and what do we do, we go to war.

Imagine what we could do if for once the people of this earth did something for each other, rather than try to kill each other.

If I was an alien, how curious a thing is man, who cannot stand the site of himself, and will go to any length to ensure that he suffers no matter how hard it is for him to do so.

If i was an alien, and i looked at earth, and wanted to meet inteligent life, other than the animals, I wouldn't look at earth for it, would you?.

(sorry for the long post)

[Mouce]

Yeah BGH, my uncle worked in New York... still dont know whether he's alright....