FAO all players: Medals!

[AdamR]

Yep, those medals that do next to nothing on XP mod.

Nominations are welcome, providing you aren't nominating yourself. Post them here :)

A medal is taken away each time you swear btw, to teach players to stop swearing.

[thelinx]

I ran through the source code of SCXPM, and saw that each medal subtracts 0.0001 percent gravity with the anti gravity device.

So, yes, pretty much useless.

[liv3d]

Not only that...
They allow a user to gain levels quicker (slightly) and also, add to your health at the start.

[AdamR]

Yep, they have a very small effect on nearly every skill. Still, other players wonder why people have less than 3 medals :)

[Evil DJ]

Hi all ,this is my fist post in this comunity (:

Well,2 days ago i lost a medal because i swear but...i dont ussually do that,how do i get back the medal?

PD:It was in assaultmesa2,i was very ungry (in game : P) because there was IMPOSSIBLE make 1on1 to the enemy robo grunts unless you have 934651376 XP.It made me swear.

[SilentMike]

I dont play this game/mod and i dont want to sound like a troll, but.

Why are players being punished for swearing? If the players are abusing other players fairenough but general swearing is usually accepted on most servers i play on (hl2:dm, ut, cs and others).

[AdamR]

Sven Co-op is played by people of all ages, so we must cater to suit all. I wouldn't want my 12 year old son or daughter f-ing and blinding all over the shop from playing on a game server.

[Evil DJ]

Ok,but how to take back the lost medals?

[AdamR]

Removing medals for swearing will hopefully teach users to stop swearing.

[Soulspawn]

i did this, lost medal thanks to swearing as my lovely (bad word) creative sound card is not doing so well with my mobo in half-life based games and i wasnt a happy camper lost 3 in one night.

today i gained 4 for doing nothing how do we gain these really dont know, i think bit harsh losing them even if it a slight buff to you for swearing things like jackass might appear or nickname for richard(d**k)

and hl is a 15 so really swearing not terrible not great though. keep filter on

[AdamR]

Some medals have been handed out in batches (this has happened 3 times now I think), where we (for example) say "give everyone at level 100 or higher a medal to thank their regularity here". The longer you stay, the more medals you will get for being regular.

[thelinx]

Oh, that explains why I have received a lot of medals!

[Clarity]

I think Agent Chemicalnurd (sic i think :-) ) deserves medal. The other day I was playing with him and his xp reset to zero and medals to -1 the poor guy. He plays alot but doesn't score very high and deserves a break :-)

[AdamR]

Very true.

[cyberdaemon]

Yep, those medals that do next to nothing on XP mod.

Nominations are welcome, providing you aren't nominating yourself. Post them here :)

A medal is taken away each time you swear btw, to teach players to stop swearing.

First off how do i gain medals ? Second , why swearing removes medals ? Its just a damn word dude! Its a chain of characters that people decided to get pissed on , when they see that.Decision to get angry is only made by those who get angry.Third of , i did swear many times and lost like 3-4 medals just to find out swearing steals medals :/ Id say its comparable to censorship :S Evil! The game even wont warn me for swearing.There is no way people should know that and if you are member of the Svencoop.com and regulary visit it , you get used to word **** as it is sometimes used in there and nobody makes a damn problem out of it (no paranoid people)

[ruM^]

First off how do i gain medals ?

Read previous posts of AdamR.

Second , why swearing removes medals ? Its just a damn word dude!Its a chain of characters that people decided to get pissed on , when they see that.Decision to get angry is only made by those who get angry.

AdamR says: "Sven Co-op is played by people of all ages, so we must cater to suit all. I wouldn't want my 12 year old son or daughter f-ing and blinding all over the shop from playing on a game server".

Third of , i did swear many times and lost like 3-4 medals just to find out swearing steals medals :/ Id say its comparable to censorship :S Evil! The game even wont warn me for swearing.There is no way people should know that and if you are member of the Svencoop.com and regulary visit it , you get used to word **** as it is sometimes used in there and nobody makes a damn problem out of it

Think of the kids! :eng101:

[TrueHeretic]

It does make the already hazardous task of chatting in-game slower while you try and think of a nice fluffy substitute for your cuss-word, and some gonome is hacking your limbs off because some idiot led it back to the spot you thought was safe to chat in... :mad:

The way I see it, the censor is already in place (i.e. swearwords area starred out) so there's really no need for such harsh penalties (well I think it's harsh, considering you are effectively deprived of skills to take on monsters) :confused:

[Ozku "Orava"]

Just say what I always say "Damn it"

[ruM^]

Another thing you could consider. On a different server I usually play on it implements a 'word replacement' feature. So whenever someone uses harsh language it replaces it with say for example the website for the server, or a completely different curse word more appropriate for all ages, or gives a warning i.e replaces swear words with a caution saying 'Swearing gets me a free ban'. :awesome:

[ScouT]

I like it when it slapped me 10 damage for every bad word, the I would try and construct a sentance that would kill me in one (which kind of defeated the purpose).

[cyberdaemon]

From now on i use words like fck and sht :D Sorry when something bad and unfair happens it just makes you to say these words.How many people can avoid swearing when they hurt theyr toe badly ? Not many ;) It comes so automatically you barely can control it :/

[AdamR]

You weren't meant to tell us you evade our swear filter ;)

[ZenArcade]

The swearing rule is quite literally one of the most jaw-droppingly stupid rules i've ever seen in my life. You're worried about your kids swearing but i'd wager my whole bank account that they do it anyway with thier friends.

The swearing rule is just sillyness. But I can live with it seeing as you have a nice collection of servers ;)

[cyberdaemon]

You weren't meant to tell us you evade our swear filter ;)

I done that on Fly For Fun mmorpg ;) They had this filter that replaced every swearing word with these things i cant type , because im using laptop and laptop keyboard does not have it and im too lazy to open character map :awesome:

Talking about swearing , i know one server that has constantly voted in all sort of pornographic nazi maps , one yesterday i saw was full of swatiscas and a large masturbating hand.Theres lot of players swearing and even the voice system , so when you say word fck (have to say it this way so filters wont remove the word) , the voice will scream it out.Its kind of funny actually , you should try it out.

And as about "kids" , they should not be able to play violent games at all dude.Look at them , they cant watch playboy is "for adults" , but killing people is ok :confused:

[AdamR]

The swear filter is there more for filtering out abuse, seeing as that's what swearing is used for mostly. There is no reason for people to be calling eachother ****ing p***t*** **ards etc etc just because someone got to the minigun first.

[TrueHeretic]

The swear filter is there more for filtering out abuse, seeing as that's what swearing is used for mostly. There is no reason for people to be calling eachother ****ing p***t*** **ards etc etc just because someone got to the minigun first.

LOL I never get that, but then again I don't even like the minigun :D: The sniper rifle is much more fun :awesome:

[Pvt. .T.]

I myself have nothing against the swear filter. It helps in keeping the place mature. And as medals really don't affect that much to xp-progress.

[AdamR]

medals really don't affect that much to xp-progress.
Exactly. they are there for show more than gain.

[cyberdaemon]

Swear filter works , but same time punishment system as well.So can you take that off now when swearing is censored anyway ?

[Pvt. .T.]

Swear filter works , but same time punishment system as well.So can you take that off now when swearing is censored anyway ?

There must be somekind of a punishment for that. Otherwise people will just keep spamming stars (****) on to chat all the time.

[cyberdaemon]

Yea , but when you got the **** , you dont need to punishment! Or other way , remove that censorship.Still thinking that swearing words are just a words.Lets say : word sht indicates to a brown thing coming out of your butt.So censoring this word means you claim that this thing is evil it indicates to.So dirt that is on the ground and feeds the plants is thereforce pornographic ?

Word Di*k (i had to use * because of that paranoid censorship system) indicates to the penis.So when you censor it you consider this body part as offending "unnatural" element ? The point is , its just a damn word , made out of characters and if word sandwich was decided one day to mean penis and word penis as sandwich everyone would look angry at you when you say : i got nice sandwich :mad:

The point is - "swearing" words are just pre-programmed reactions to a combination of the certain characters that are indicating on the certain elements of the word , some body parts (completely natural) or some material elements.People offend on them , because THEY decide so.There is nothing evil in these words really and you worry about kids hearing them ? So tell me exactly WHY are these words offensive anyway ? Word itself is not an evil or good , its a word.Its the people that turn it into a problem by deciding to offend and get emotionally mad.But its up to them to do so.

So final word , how does this chensorship differs from the nazi censorship , communist censorship or any censorship ? Its all hypocratic BS , a paranoid delusion installed into our head to limit our expression.Yea i say so and you say : omg! is he some low brained person ? And i say : that is your decision to think so.

I also noticed that word retard is evil , while word ass is nothing :omg: So much about this.

[ScouT]

I couldn't agree more with what you have said, but the fact is that a lot of peoples parents/ some players wil not agree and simply do see these words as bad words (or evil as you put it), and so it is just easier if these certain words are censored, as that way everyone is happy (except you of course, but when do you ever hear of controversy over NOT swearing? ;) ) I hope you see my point.

PS. Also it's not very pleasant when a player can get away with calling you a s**tface c**t f***ing c**k s***er and spamming chat with stupid insults.

[liv3d]

So final word , how does this chensorship differs from the nazi censorship , communist censorship or any censorship ? Its all hypocratic BS , a paranoid delusion installed into our head to limit our expression.Yea i say so and you say : omg! is he some low brained person ? And i say : that is your decision to think so.



I lol'd.

Sorry, but the Swear filter is NOT going to go, no matter how much you bitch about it.

I have to agree with the swear filter in its self, the gaming community is used by people of all ages, and no "ZOMG ITS A 16+ GAME" or "ITS RATED M FOR MATURE!!!!" is not going to win any arguement.
I've played multiple server(s), both as an admin and as a normal user, and found that, children, under the age of 8, on these servers.

Great, you and your mates swear like troopers when your together, thats up to you. But we are making this a clean friendly enviroment.

Simple answer is: Don't swear and you won't get picked up.


Also "Retard" is politically incorrect these days...

[AdamR]

Ratings on games doesn't stop kids playing them. They are only guidelines for the parents anyway,

There is no need to call others a **** face because they took the minigun first or whatever.

[ruM^]

rofl okay I just lost a medal for swearing in German. I thought I could get away with that but I guess not. :dance:

[AdamR]

Tsk Tsk

[ez64]

seing that this game is a 15 a swear filter could be understood ok and loosing medals for exsessive abuse/swearing but a one off comon

[Ozku "Orava"]

I dont see any point swearin in chat anyway. Swear filter is also a good way to set trap for these 11 years old kids. When they start calling you a n00b and fa***t you can tell them to type since you dont understand anything what they are talking :)

[cyberdaemon]

I lol'd.

Sorry, but the Swear filter is NOT going to go, no matter how much you bitch about it.

I have to agree with the swear filter in its self, the gaming community is used by people of all ages, and no "ZOMG ITS A 16+ GAME" or "ITS RATED M FOR MATURE!!!!" is not going to win any arguement.
I've played multiple server(s), both as an admin and as a normal user, and found that, children, under the age of 8, on these servers.

Great, you and your mates swear like troopers when your together, thats up to you. But we are making this a clean friendly enviroment.

Simple answer is: Don't swear and you won't get picked up.


Also "Retard" is politically incorrect these days...

What ? You DID NOT read even my post ? What i said is that "kids hearing f word" is considered bad because people are paranoid.The word it self is NOT evil thing.Read my post again.Swearing does NOT turn anything "hostile".Its as i said , delusion.

Political correctness is simply bearucratic way to force people to believe/follow certain views.Its purely a censorship and has nothing to do with "freedom".Same with "antisemitism" which is often (not always) used as a weapon to stop people for criticizing certain people actions , no matter how bad they are.

As about kids , they see killing as entertainment from TV , games every day.Its NORMAL.But when they see naked woman from TV , its "evil".So like erotics = terrorism.Bombing people to death = cool entertainment.

Final word.World is not gonna end because of nukes/chemical weapons , but because the people use that f-word (yay) , omg im gonna die , he used that word.Agr!

[Omnituens]

I seemed to have randomly gained a medal (3 -> 4) do you also gain them by hitting certain xp values?

[Pvt. .T.]

I seemed to have randomly gained a medal (3 -> 4) do you also gain them by hitting certain xp values?

IIRC, you get a medal after you hit a certain level, because that tells you play on the server regularly.

[AdamR]

What ? You DID NOT read even my post ? What i said is that "kids hearing f word" is considered bad because people are paranoid.The word it self is NOT evil thing.Read my post again.Swearing does NOT turn anything "hostile".Its as i said , delusion.

Political correctness is simply bearucratic way to force people to believe/follow certain views.Its purely a censorship and has nothing to do with "freedom".Same with "antisemitism" which is often (not always) used as a weapon to stop people for criticizing certain people actions , no matter how bad they are.

As about kids , they see killing as entertainment from TV , games every day.Its NORMAL.But when they see naked woman from TV , its "evil".So like erotics = terrorism.Bombing people to death = cool entertainment.

Final word.World is not gonna end because of nukes/chemical weapons , but because the people use that f-word (yay) , omg im gonna die , he used that word.Agr!

Swearing is mostly used in abusive context, which is why we filter it.

[cyberdaemon]

But you filer it AND punish same time.I have no idea what words are not allowed and what not anyway.So it seems that symbol * is evil and punishable too.

[Ozku "Orava"]

But you filer it AND punish same time.I have no idea what words are not allowed and what not anyway.So it seems that symbol * is evil and punishable too.

No it is not, I can type **** without losing any medals so it is not evil word. :cooler:

If you want to swear, it is fine as long as you dont start spamming f*** as on other servers. Other people know even without it what you are meaning. Also, many players are looking for a more mature feeling.

[AdamR]

It's also not a very good image for Multiplay to have their public server full of swearing. We're a professional GSP.

[Pvt. .T.]

-Is it really a big deal if your curses appear as *? Everyone still gets it that you are swearing.

-Every server has their own set of rules. Some servers allow you to swear unpunished 24 / 7.

-Medals even don't affect that much to your xp-gain.

I myself dont swear much but when something really bad or annoying happens, I will.

[BlackMilk]

How hard is it to get these simple things through one's head?

Swearing is just that, swearing, bad words. You don't have to swear, it's unnecessary and doesn't make the game any more fun than it already is, like someone else posted, a simple "Damn it" will suffice to vent your frustration.

Secondly, if you get a high blood pressure because of a game, don't play the game, quite obviously nobody wants you to end up in the hospital.

No matter how much you twist the facts or discuss the literal definition of swear words, it still harms kids in the way of them learning it to be "normal" in life. 5 year olds swearing at their mothers with the F word is not normal, but it's already happening a lot.

Anyone here saying that swearing is normal, isn't. Like I said, swearing doesn't make the game anymore fun and it creates hostility between players cos of attitude, and even more so if they scold eachother, this is transferred to real life very VERY easily. So sure, maybe the filter should be gone, if you're all for people swearing when and wherever possible.

Besides, swearing goes paired with violence eventually, I hope I don't have to explain that here, since ya'll are a healthily intelligent bunch of people. We don't like violence in our world (or do you?), and therefor I think most of us'd agree if said that kids shouldn't be playing any game(s) with violence in it, like Sven Co-op. (again, saying that SC isn't violent just proves how far gone you are, it's guns, it's blood, it's shooting and dying and whatnot)

Noone here can prevent parents who think they're modern by letting their kid loose on the web of also letting their children play violent games. But we can, collectively, be ONE FACTOR LESS that influences those children and motivates them (or whatever word you wanna use) to swear and eventually behave violently. All the time I hear microphones ingame sounding like babyphones, and I pity that child when I hear it for having bad parents. But what I hear even more is, when I'm conversing normally, often over mic, some 10-11 year old kid gets on his and blatantly says "STFU", without any given reason whatsoever. You think this is normal? THAT is what they learn on the internet, THAT is the effect of this nonsense. They start to think it's normal, and tell em at a later age that it isn't obviously won't convince them anymore.

Sure, say that these things are innocent, but then I doubt you've yet thought of the snowball-rolling-down-the-slope effect this has. One thing leads to another, and that might be another thing in a very long chain of events.

This kind of censorship is for their protection, and in the long run, also yours. Be thankful that Multiplay is being mature and wise enough to know this and cares about you and these children. Sure, I let out a bad word every once in a while too, but at least I try not to, and I know the consequences.

For the last time I ask in general, who here thinks that children swearing and behaving violently is normal?

We can choose to not be a factor, or rather, cause/reason for people behaving badly, really, isn't that what matters?

And yes other servers allow you to swear and yes you don't lose things for it there, but that's other servers. One server doesn't have to be exactly the same as the next.

EDIT: To comment on what Ozku said above, he's right, some players are looking for a game filled with mature people, not players who swear as often as they breathe. Makes those people look like kids (and gee, for what reason would that be the case nowadays?) and it often ruins the game.

[AdamR]

We are planning to revise the swear filter list soon anyway. Should be done within the next few days.

[Phatency]

It's weird how the server constantly reminds you of xpwhores, but if you say it yourself, you lose a medal and get slapped :/ I was so carefull not to say any swearwords again, but in the end I got punished for saying the word this server had taught me. :P

[AdamR]

'whore' is often used abusively and has been in the filter since before XP mod was installed. Probably a word I should remove.

[thelinx]

Or we should just stop calling it "XP Whoring" and start calling it "XP Farming".

@BlackMilk:
*Applause*

[AdamR]

I prefer the term "XP hoarding".

[Psychojunky]

There are many words in the filter such as ";" and "d!ck"

D*ck is a german word for fat or overweighted, but the fact is I dont know, why the , is in the filter...

And what about kicking a player, when he swears his/her medals to 0 for 15 minutes? I saw some players swearing till they havent got any medals left and then went on with swearing...

[AdamR]

I've always been meaning to write a plugin that keeps a count on your swearing then place temporary bans, but really have never got around to it. I don't even know if AMXX supports arrays, which is how I'd store the swear count for each player. Plus then there is carrying it across maps, as someone could swear to warning 4 of 5 then just rejoin or something to go back to 0 of 5.

Something that will eventually get done, probably once my coursework is finished for the time being (in a week or 2) I will get back to plugin writing. Not just the swear filter.

[Psychojunky]

This sounds great...

[piers]

how often do you feel the need to express the word fat in german whilst playing sven coop