Maps which could be abused

[liv3d]

Please list maps in this topic which may help dishonest users exploit the XP system we have on Multiplay. These maps shall in turn be removed from the servers.

If possible, along with the map name, could you please give a reason as to why you feel said maps exploit the XP system.

For example:
Map: Stadium3
Reason: The user can spawn lots of monsters to kill. They can also, gain a very high score with the Gauss Cannon.

Bare in mind I'm only considering maps abusive to SCXPM if they generate, say, 1000 points within half hour ;) I'm not quite sure that 2bases and horde are quite that serious; they require effort to get weapons (i.e. no minigun).

So basically any maps, which have some kinda "plot", like osprey won't be removed.

Edit:

Also, this appears* to be the topic for the truly awful Sven Co-Op maps, so if something is really bad post below

*http://sc.multiplay.co.uk/faq.php?faq=mpuksc#q6

[hat^]

BlackMilk says battlezone is another abusable map. Spawn stuff, kill it, ad nauseam. A player "hawk" was on there earlier with over 900 points :|

[AdamR]

!! I'll get that removed. After I've had a shower I'll post the currently removed or modified maps.

[Pvt. .T.]

sc_cliffside and last4 with the ospreys having so much health combined with miniguns and full ammo reincarnation. You can easily hoard so much xp from those maps.

sc_cliffside :

Someone takes the minigun while having full ammo reincarnation, camps on top of the bunker or the watch-tower where you can easily hide from the grunts and starts blasting the ospreys engines and gets a nice share of xp. Also the garg isnt much of a problem as it keeps killing the grunts,other players or it gets destroyed.

last4 :

A minigun keeps spawning on a box near the spawns entrance where someone quick enough grabs it, goes either outside behind the bunker or the boxes infront of the bunker, or he / she goes ontop of the tower once you have access to that area and starts blasting from there. It requires some skill ( you have to drop the minigun on the doorway leading to the balcony ) but once you get there, its quite an easy place to shoot at the osprey with the minigun.

Possible solution :

A possible solution could be that minigun ammo should be given random through the xp-mod, just like mp4 grenades. Also you can still find minigun ammo from both maps.

[Tamina]

splatter:

Its very easy make points in this map.
This map had the only sense to make a lot of kills.

[piers]

splatter has been removed ^_^

[ruM^]

My fairly small contribution. 2bases. Constant respawning of hgrunts. The same could be said for fun_zone_sc, respawning apache's, gargs, zombies, icky's, big mommas, but its a fun map so I'm not sure if you want to include that as well.

BlackMilk says battlezone is another abusable map. Spawn stuff, kill it, ad nauseam. A player "hawk" was on there earlier with over 900 points :|

Doesn't beat splatter. I used to see players with scores of at least 3000 on it. :awesome:

[Tamina]

Please remove

secretcity4beta (+other secret... maps?)

The map make to many kills.

[ruM^]

Add horde to the list. A very small map which constantly respawns alien grunts, controllers, islaves, zombies etc.

[thelinx]

Overrun, absolutely. Minigun spawning in the middle, loads of zombies. You get the idea.

[AdamR]

Bare in mind I'm only considering maps abusive to SCXPM if they generate, say, 1000 points within half hour ;) I'm not quite sure that 2bases and horde are quite that serious; they require effort to get weapons (i.e. no minigun).

[ruM^]

Alrighty. Well another one I just remembered is zombie_c*nt_maniac and yeah, the map is actually called that. Very small room packed with respawning zombies and a very large supply of miniguns. In fact, I think thats the only weapon, apart from the crowbar. :ssh:

Overrun, absolutely. Minigun spawning in the middle, loads of zombies. You get the idea.

I would have mentioned Overrun but at least it is actually an objective-based map aka protect Otis. Once he is dead the map ends iirc.

[thelinx]

I would have mentioned Overrun but at least it is actually an objective-based map aka protect Otis. Once he is dead the map ends iirc.

Well, Otis got 4k health afaik so...

[ruM^]

Its actually 3000. But regardless of how much health he has, the map has a mission objective to accomplish. Unlike the pointless fragfests such as Splatter, Overrun requires players to work cooperatively to protect Otis. Also Overrun only spawns the Minigun right at the beginning and the ammo is scarce. In fact, I don't recall there being ammo for it. It would take quite a while to obtain a score of 1000+ on this map, even for a person playing on their own.

[piers]

well yes it is very hard on your own, as you get well, overrun.

also, i believe zombie_naughtyword_maniac has been removed from the server.

spam AdamR for a list of all the naughty maps which are gone.

[AdamR]

Alrighty. Well another one I just remembered is zombie_c*nt_maniac and yeah, the map is actually called that. Very small room packed with respawning zombies and a very large supply of miniguns. In fact, I think thats the only weapon, apart from the crowbar. :ssh:
That was the first to go :)

well yes it is very hard on your own, as you get well, overrun.

also, i believe zombie_naughtyword_maniac has been removed from the server.

spam AdamR for a list of all the naughty maps which are gone.
Never actually installed that one.

[piers]

i never said you had done :p

[X25killa]

Map: Stadium3
Reason: The user can spawn lots of monsters to kill. They can also, gain a very high score with the Gauss Cannon.

:D Discovered on liv3d's server by me.

[AdamR]

Stadium3 is long gone.

It's a pity SC doesn't have customizable points, or at least more fair handouts.

[AdamR]

baseunderfire to be removed (xp whore map).

FYI I will only be removing maps in batches of say, 10 or more (5 minimum) because of how inefficient ClanForge is at configuring multiple profiles at one time.

Next removal so far:

baseunderfire
horde
battlezone (if I didn't get this one out already)

[AdamR]

^ done those.

[z4nd]

rUM announced that sc_newyear is possible xp fest

Need to check this and remove if it is

[thelinx]

Yes, I saw a guy on sc_newyear having ~2500 frags.

[z4nd]

Verified, it's the map with a giant funky headcrap that can't die. Definetly needs to be removed

[piers]

this has been mentioned before, but i must insist secretcity4 is removed, something on the map allows you to move between 52000 and -8000 points hence giving you quite the surplus

[AdamR]

Next batch:

sc_newyear
secretcity4beta

Any more?

[liv3d]

Leave Secretcity4 on, it just needs game_score ripent'in from giving 5000+ points per second :x

Edit: I changed my mind, it can still be abused :(

[balge]

Titan-Battle
- just played this map and its tonk, just an xp harvest, plus not even very stable.
A candidate for ditching?
cheers
balge

[Pvt. .T.]

zombie_arena1 is honestly just for xp-collecting. You defend a narrow outdoor hallway from waves of zombies and gonomes. One person had about 200 points on that map.

You get a minigun, assault rifle, sniper rifle and a shottie on that map. Also you get ammo spawned for the minigun.

[AdamR]

I thought we got rid of that a while back Pvt T.

[liv3d]

no, both that & arena2 are on the server...

[balge]

this map is respawning monsters against a base, just an xp-harvesting exercise, loads of weapons, plus flakey as hell, alien commanders with -300hp but wont die, and seems unstable too
candidate for scrapping?
cheers!

[liv3d]

Anything with a -n health, is something that had some sort of scripted sequence (sp?) and something/one blocked (killed) it.

I've seen zombies walking round with -200 health to all of a sudden drop dead when they reach where they are meant to be.

But yes that map does sound like a map for XP abuse

[AdamR]

Next batch:

zombie_area1
zombie_area2

Any more?

[balge]

Anything with a -n health, is something that had some sort of scripted sequence (sp?) and something/one blocked (killed) it.

I've seen zombies walking round with -200 health to all of a sudden drop dead when they reach where they are meant to be.


Aha! always wondered about that - makes sense now
cheers!

[Ozku "Orava"]

sc_alien_defense

Just killing aliens, nothing else.

[AdamR]

Ok

[Subb0]

Splatter has cropped back up again..

[AdamR]

Splatter can only come up if an admin votes for it. Players can't do that anymore :s

[Subb0]

O rly?
I'm afraid it can be brought up

[AdamR]

Maps just removed:

splatter (again?)
sc_alien_defense
zombie_area1
zombie_area2 (not that this was in the map list)

May not take effect until the next server restart (which I'm not doing manually until a server is empty).

[cyberdaemon]

There was this map thats name i cannot remember , it starts with a bunker that has a controllable bazooka turret and the pieces of walls in front of the bunker remind you the megazone game.There is also a small house in other side of map that has teleporter in it.It leads to empty room with no enemies.

[AdamR]

Nope I don't remember that one :s

[AdamR]

crablegs is just infinite headcrabs in a room.
Church is nothing.

[Ozku "Orava"]

Remowe Titan_battle, it is just shooting monsters and getting exp. Also that map lags like a ***l

[AdamR]

3 for the next batch then.

[Tamina]

hotel-dm

There are no monsters in the map (Its the beta version of the map 2hotel).

[Decca]

omg, you have to see this one, It was not any any of the multiplay servers. but i could not believe it. oh and the map was <svencooprpg>
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa307/lorddecca/svencooprpg30000.jpg

look at the time remaining, 55 minutes. Man!

[AdamR]

That looks like svencooprpg3

[Decca]

it is i joined last night just to see how everyone had such high scores, the monsters just keep on respawning, and they even voted to kick the person who was saying that it was stupid to spawn kill like that

[liv3d]

Its also XP abuse ;x

If I remember rightly svencooprpg3 is disabled on the server

[AdamR]

The whole series is stupidly buggy.

[cyberdaemon]

Crazylabyrinth - pointless map with no monsters
Too_easy - Players basically spawn in mid air and fall to death , useless map
Defent - a house and a sandbags outside , theres lots of grunts , but after they are killed map goes nowhere

edit : i did play svencooprpg3 few days ago.

[Tamina]

Not too_easy u must break the floor/ ground.

Then u can play this map.

[cyberdaemon]

jungle_outpost - a small map with lots of zombies.No point keeping it.
Sc_vilage1 - i didnt even know its on this server.Its my own old map and it has endless count of troops spawning in.

[AdamR]

I've got a long afternoon off, so I'll check these maps out later. My list as it appears:

Titan_battle
hotel-dm
Crazylabyrinth - yeah I know this one is crap.
Too_easy - check it..?
Defent
jungle_outpost
Sc_vilage1
and some rainforest one that doesnt seem to be done that I cant remember the name of off by hand

Any more?

[AdamR]

Removed

Titan_battle
hotel-dm
Crazylabyrinth
Too_easy
jungle_outpost

Not Found

Defent
Sc_vilage1

[Decca]

rush is the name of the map, i included a screenshot not to get anyone banned but to clearly ilustrate the problem. some kind of gun on top of the building is the problem.
http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa307/lorddecca/rush0000.jpg

[Decca]

the maps u can't find is not "defent" it is "defend" that has only 24 grunts that spawn outside a house. You go out a kill them and that's it. No respawn, no secret passages, no nothing from there =)

[AdamR]

Just taken 10 levels off Firebeast. Not the only map he whores on.

[AdamR]

I removed defend and rush btw.

[cyberdaemon]

Chopper_ride or something is total abuse map.Lots of spawning grunts and RPGs to kill em.

btw.that rain forest map is jungle_outpost maybe ?

ADIE2 lots of spawning monsters that are behind glass , you can kill them with satchel then drop satchel to restore ammo and kill again.
CRUSHER - an empty map , filled with lots of scientists.Nothing happens there.

[Tamina]

crusader5.bsp

[liv3d]

jail2b seams to just spawn marines

[BlackMilk]

Sorry for being slightly off-topic here, I just wanted to say that I'm amazed and wondering as to how/why players can actually kill monsters non-stop till in the thousands of points without getting bored or having their thumbs fall of their hands >_<

I've seen a map or two recently that could be whored on but forgot the names, bleh.

[thelinx]

I've seen a map or two recently that could be whored on but forgot the names, bleh.

Hey!
How about having a plugin that is you say "xpwhore" that map is reported to the admin (AdamR) that this map should be checked if it's a XP Whoring map! :awesome:

[BlackMilk]

What a sawcy solution, I vote for :D:

[thelinx]

I made something! (http://forums.alliedmods.net/showthread.php?p=543746#post543746)

[Ozku "Orava"]

I made something

That will be very usefull. Good job :D:

You could add feature which records scoreboard too, so admin can see who is whoring and ban him :keke:

[Decca]

It could be very useful but what about when I play at night by myself. Remember I'm on a different time schedule than most. So my primetime is when the servers are almost empty. PM for me. Now is this gonna say im whoring because I get all the kills because I'm playing solo? Not to mention I'm also on "unemployment" for the next 2-3 months. So im sure I will be playing alot. Just wanted to mention so everyone knows.

[AdamR]

Unfortunately due to the filesystem of our servers, that plugin wouldn't work. Plus I don't like the idea of loads of people saying xpwhore for every other map. We certainly wouldn't have time to check every query.

[thelinx]

But the log file isn't really stored in /addons/amxmodx/logs, it's stored in the folder set in the variable amxx_logs, which by default is that dir, so it probably wouldn't matter if you use a different filesystem.

If any other log plugins work, this should work.

[BlackMilk]

Well you don't HAVE to check all the time, you could just take a look every now and then and if you, eg. see the name liv3d in the list, you'll probably take that seriously, right?

And sure, posting here isn't much of an effort, but some people still think it's too much, and not everyone is registered here and/or knows about reporting maps. (I'm only here for like what, 3 days now)

[AdamR]

But the log file isn't really stored in /addons/amxmodx/logs, it's stored in the folder set in the variable amxx_logs, which by default is that dir, so it probably wouldn't matter if you use a different filesystem.

If any other log plugins work, this should work.
That folder doesn't exist ;)

[BlackMilk]

*gasp*
What did you do with it?
Exists for me >.>

[thelinx]

How...what...where do you keep your logs? :confused:

Also, it's much easier to just say xpwhore in-game, as you could easily forget the name of the map if you were going to report it on the forums.

[AdamR]

We don't use AMXX's logging system.

[thelinx]

Oh.

[Decca]

crusader5.bsp

definatly xp abuse there's like 3 people on their right now with 1500 kills

[liv3d]

Can you say "admin" or do in team chat do @@ message

The second hides it away from other users.

http://sc.multiplay.co.uk/calladmin.php

[cyberdaemon]

How...what...where do you keep your logs? :confused:

Also, it's much easier to just say xpwhore in-game, as you could easily forget the name of the map if you were going to report it on the forums.

You can always say "currentmap" ingame and write the map name down.Thats how i do.

[Decca]

ohh i didn't know you could contact admin like that. nice. i will remember in the future.

[Decca]

I was playing "monsterdm" last night. The map consists of 15 rounds of fighting small hordes of enemies. With the 15th being the final round, but after you beat the gargantua at the end, Nothing happens. The map just has on area to battle in and thats it. I stayed in for like another 10 minutes trying to see if it was a delay before the next map or if I missed something, but nothing. It just seems to hang up after you beat it.

[Tamina]

theborder3

xp map too

[Ozku "Orava"]

Can you remowe map called SEXR. This map seems to be quite pointless, nothing happens there, it is not xp map however.

[Decca]

Can you remowe map called SEXR. This map seems to be quite pointless, nothing happens there, it is not xp map however.

Is that the one where you start and everything is big? Or the one where you start in that funky green area with alien enemies everywhere?

[AdamR]

One of many big maps. You start by going up the chest of drawers, then through the cuboards, then underground and up the fishtank.

[thelinx]

I think I recall funfunfun.bsp...not being so fun.

I will check and be right back.

EDIT:
Didn't have it :/

If I remember right, it was just a big white room with monsters spawning around you...

[Decca]

i think it's "Fun_fun_fun.bsp" with underscores, i think?

[AdamR]

That was one of the first maps I took off.

[Ozku "Orava"]

Check map named "onlyfun". It is another "onlyxp" map, if you can surrive from long fall (which is easy with blocking skill)

[Decca]

I'm not sure if this one was mentioned but "alienbat" is a pointless map. small fort vs. respawning aliens all in a tight area. I'm just watched someone rack up 500 then leave and come right back so they don't look like a whore. And no I didn't call an admin because I don't like ratting people out, besides he's just a nub.

[Ozku "Orava"]

miib_clubhouse seems to be just killing spawning monsters. It does end at one point but players get lots of exp before that happens.

[ruM^]

fun_fun_fun was just recently voted which is basically a large white room with respawning zombies, Alien grunts, controllers etc. I could've sworn this map was removed, but it seems to be back.

[thelinx]

It's removed from the list, however you can still start mapvotes with even "removed" maps using the Console command amx_votemap map

[ruM^]

It's removed from the list, however you can still start mapvotes with even "removed" maps using the Console command amx_votemap map

rofl. The person who voted this map on the server I was playing on was bragging about how he found a way to vote removed maps. I thought he was joking.

:arms:

[AdamR]

When we updated AMXX from 1.79d to 1.80 I forgot to modify the adminvote plugin to only allow maps from the maps configuration file, rather than allow any map that exists. The plugin has been updated and awaits installation by tech support.

[AdamR]

Next batch for removal begins:

chopper_ride
JailEscape

Please declare more maps to be removed with reason if you know of any :) Thanks.

[ruM^]

I am so glad someone decided to ask for the removal of chopper_ride. It really is a horrible map and I have to agree, it is just for EXP.

[Ozku "Orava"]

By the way, if you could add some kind of limit to respawning enemies at tox_silo, they seem to respawning foreverer untill someone goes past them.

[Decca]

saving_the_second_amendment (reason: no point, HS kills with sniper rifle gives you way to much xp and it never goes to next in series).

zombie_squad1 (reason: no point, respawning grunts everywhere, lots of miniguns equals lots of xp).

dbjr (reason: pure xp whoring).

para1 (reason: not point, just a couple respawning grunts, continuously shoot with RL, horrible on the eyes).

crusader5 (man thats alot of zombies and gonomes and HW grunts spawning).

TRENCHES (reason: 2 trenches with never-ending respawning grunts).

alienbat (reason: ummm i mentioned it in an earlier thread, respawning alien grunts).

laststand (reason :crashes server).
scirun (reason: crashes server).
sc_office1 (reason: crashes servers).
virtual (reason: crashes server).
sc_er (reason: crashes server).

NOTE: laststand, virtual, scriun, I have only tried 3x each, sc_office1 always. sc_er twice tried

[Ozku "Orava"]

I checked map named "dotd". If you ask me, that is definitely a map wich could be abused because of infinitely respawning zombies.

[AdamR]

Any more because I'm going to do a removal this afternoon:

alienbat
chopper_ride
crusader5
dbjr
dotd
JailEscape
laststand
para1
saving_the_second_amendment
sc_er
sc_office1
scirun
TRENCHES
virtual
zombie_squad1

[AdamR]

^ removed. I noticed crazylabrinth was still on Classics, that's also gone.

[z4nd]

map: Doomsday2
Why: Stupid retard map, no objective, bad design, good map to block in (only one little whole at the top), and possible xp farming.

[Evil DJ]

Hello and happy new year for everyone

Yesterday i was playing in one of the servers (i dont remember if it was "Shorties" or "Coustums") and the people vote for the map "The defence".Well,this map never ends because is always the same:"spawn and go to a bunker in the middle of the map, killing all time garg, some alien slaves and bull squid who're respawning again and again around the bunker.Without end or objectif.

This map isnt only an abuse of Xp,is also VERY VERY boring. So please,dont put it in the list of the maps.

Cheers & Thx!

[Tamina]

only xp whoring maps:

CANAL
CRABLEGS
dockbat
dropzone
gargickyhunt
garghnt2
garghnt3
sc_city
Jail2b


nothing to do maps:
bc_vents

[Ozku "Orava"]

Map thedefense, countless respawning enemies with no end.

[AdamR]

Next list. I'm also adding CHURCH because it takes a whole 30 seconds to finish.

bc_vents
CANAL
CHURCH
CRABLEGS
dockbat
Doomsday2
dropzone
gargickyhunt
garghnt2
garghnt3
sc_city
thedefense
Jail2b

Any more?

[Tamina]

sc_28_v2 this map is double. (sc_28_v4 on the server is the newest version)

[Tamina]

Oh sorry please remove sc_28_v4 it crash the server all time. sc_28_v2 work fine.

[AdamR]

Okay. I'll remove these this afternoon. Been a busy bee doing uni coursework (a python script).

[AdamR]

^ removed all those.

Unfortunately there is a bug in ClanForge preventing the reserved slots working... so until ClanForge gets fixed, there are 14 public slots.

[Decca]

preparation_x <<-- Input on this please, I think it needs to go, it's just for massive xp.
It has 3 parts, but still. The last part has nothing but uber-enemies (Apache with 80,000 hp)(HW grunts with 16,000hp) and after you defeat them the map doesn't change.


preparation_y <<-- Crashes the server after part1, every time I tried.

[Tamina]

sc_fragtraining
fishing

[AdamR]

Removed those 4.

preparation_x is an ok-ish map, the first part anyway. Part 2 is just boring XP whore, and part 3 is unplayable without cheats + vast vast XP whoring.

[Psychojunky]

In my opinion, we should remove sc_ osprey and sc_cliffside. The minigun and the EGON weapon are always targeted for XP-whorers, I knew 2 of them, but I wont write them down....

It really pisses me off, that XP-whorers and snark exploiters arent getting punished for this crimes -.-

[AdamR]

Those maps are only there as start up maps to bring the public in. They have always worked in that respect, which is why I'd rather modify them rather than remove them.

[Psychojunky]

This would do it, modifying... I postet somwehere else some broken maps, but I don't want to post them twice

Link Xttp://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?p=704376&posted=1#post704376

*X = h

[Decca]

osprey needs no modifying at all, sc_cliffside, maybe take out all the gauss ammo, that way it's only earned from ammo-reincarnation

[AdamR]

Or, take 1 out and move the other one to some awkwood place that would ensure you die fairly quickly :) Kinda like what I did with the minigun.

[Psychojunky]

Yeah would be nice, but most "high" level players can get, take the MG and leave there without dieing...

So what about removeing the MG? and replacing the Minigun with the Egon....

Drop that about removing the maps...

But fact is, that these maps always are targeted of XP-whores...

[Phatency]

Here's an idea: SCXPM tweak, which records the highscore (frags) for every map. That highscore is then compared (when the map is loaded) to for example, 300 frags. If that highscore is much higher than 300, the xprate for that map will be dropped. Also, if it's much lower, then the xprate will be increased. Should be possible to script.

[Tamina]

more no sense maps:
spacemonkeys
GargHouse2k
Modern_glassbox
Greenmutilation

[Tamina]

sc_zight (short, xp whoring, no end)

[Tamina]

more no sense short maps:
Rainforest_b7
ICU2
army

[AdamR]

Next up for removal:

army
GargHouse2k
Greenmutilation
ICU2
Modern_glassbox
Rainforest_b7 (haha I remember this one)
sc_zight
spacemonkeys

I'll do this when sc_mazing2008 becomes available for installation.

[Decca]

RECO, RECO, RECO don't forget, cause it's back also Punksecretplace :reason, it never ends, stupid map anyways.

[Ozku "Orava"]

Can you remove svencooprpg3? It seems to be one of those maps wich never end and with egon it is very exploitable.

[AdamR]

svencooprpg3 ends very easilly once people realize the big mouth is breakable.

[Tamina]

More xp whoring and no end maps:
2bases
sc_vilageTE

[Tamina]

degrees (little, bad no end map,)

[AdamR]

Didn't I remove degrees ages ago? :s

[AdamR]

LowGravity

[ruM^]

sc_choose_b2

Caught someone XP whoring on this map.

DOWNLOAD DEMO (http://files.filefront.com/BARNEY+xpwhoringzip/;9867252;/fileinfo.html)

Managed to get a score of 2000+ in the space of half an hour. Uses the egon on an infinite number of respawning Alien Grunts in the Arena zone.

[blake]

bypass

Just a box room spawning 4 grunts all the time, someone was just playing the map with over 500+ points. Plus its kinda boring, no?

[Qu1k]

bypass

Just a box room spawning 4 grunts all the time, someone was just playing the map with over 500+ points. Plus its kinda boring, no?

Must admit it is a very pointless map and probably should be removed.

[AdamR]

I thought I already took bypass out?