Cheap Airsoft Equipment

[SprayCan]

For those of you who may have liked the idea of Airsoft, but considered investing in equipment too expensive for something that would see relatively little use, have a look at this website:

RSOV (http://www.rsov.com)

Courtesy of the Chinese Industrial Revolution (for want of a better description), clones of the big Airsoft brand equipment are now being made at nearly 100% of the original quality, at well under 50% of the original cost. Well worth a look :)

[Predat0r]

Once they start going Chinese Revolution on paintball equiptment prices, then I'll be a happy bunny.

£600-£800 for a decent marker does get silly after a while...

[Omnituens]

if its not TM, not interested.

[Cabe]

TM's AEG's rock, however I am not a fan of thier pistols. I prefer the real metal reps from the guys at KJW. Prop in the summer, Green in the winter keeps them in tippy top.

[SprayCan]

TM's are the standard for consistency. The vast majority of cheapsoft AEG's (especially those from Jing Gong) are rivalling, and in some areas improving on Tokyo Marui.

For example, £100 including postage gets you a gun shooting at 330fps. Good for those who want the extra power without the hassle of upgrading.

Unless you take my stance - if you can't hit them, get closer ;).

As for your comment about the gas Cabe, Green Gas IS propane. It's completely identical - as this proves. (http://www.airsoft-innovations.com/lab1.html) So if you obtain a converter, you can use your gas guns more economically, if you can put up with the smell.

[Omnituens]

my stance is - if you cant hit them, hold down trigger until one of you runs out of ammo.

Its usually them first.

[SprayCan]

Meh, where's the fun in that. Carefully aimed shots are far more satisfying :smileshot

[Nikumba]

Classic Army is where its at tbh :)

Kimbie

[Cabe]

As for your comment about the gas Cabe, Green Gas IS propane. It's completely identical - as this proves. (http://www.airsoft-innovations.com/lab1.html) So if you obtain a converter, you can use your gas guns more economically, if you can put up with the smell.

I have a gen one adapter I bought years ago :) Those canadian boys have tarted their website since the last time I looked at it.

From playing experience the aerosoled lubes they put into green gas makes it play better in the winter. During the summer I do infact play with the reccomended butane/propane torch gas, I use a medium can per summer season usually, although with the wet weather I havnt been out at all this year :(

[SprayCan]

I sold my gas shotgun for that very reason, not enough abient heat to use it effectively. And I was fed up of using my AEG's, so I bought a Maruzen APS2 :)

Out of interest, where do you guys play (when you do play)?

[Jamz]

Hummmm, I'd love to get into Airsoft, running around with replica guns sounds ACE.

[Cabe]

I usually play every other sunday at combat souths urban site, its in and around an old fort. But between poor weather and having to work weekends I havnt been at all this year :(

http://www.combatsouth.co.uk/csu/gallery.php

[SprayCan]

I'm trying to convince my local team to have an away day there, though it's not easy organising a large group of people who arn't that willing lol.

We're Tech Brigade - website. (http://www.techbrigade.org)

[Nikumba]

Me and Shadowman play at a place called Urban Assault at Upwood just outside of Peterborough. I believe its one of the largest urban sites in the UK.

http://www.urbanassault.org.uk/

Overhead view: http://www.btinternet.com/~fabothamley/FFZ/urban/photopage6.htm

Bare in mind the Parade square is 100m square so its a fair size

Kimbie

[Screwball]

i really want to get into this, going to order a replica from that site when i get paid :)

[Screwball]

just a lil question! do you need a licence or anything to have one?

[SprayCan]

I used to play at Urban Assault regularly for 4 months or so round about Christmas time, until I fell out with the group that I played with. It's a good site, but personally I don't like the 400fps limit on snipers.

As for licenses Screwball, nope this is a completely legal activity. The only thing to bear in mind is that the police will treat these as real firearms should you use them in the wrong way, eg: robbing a post office with one. But keeping them covered up and using them on private property, that's fine.

[Hudson]

Me and Shadowman play at a place called Urban Assault at Upwood just outside of Peterborough. I believe its one of the largest urban sites in the UK.

http://www.urbanassault.org.uk/

Overhead view: http://www.btinternet.com/~fabothamley/FFZ/urban/photopage6.htm

Bare in mind the Parade square is 100m square so its a fair size

Kimbie

i go there =D

did you go to the game last sat (8th) ? hilarious mishap with one of the grenades, opposing team forgot to light the thing and just chucked it in the window. pretty generous of them i thought, was dissapointed that they didnt lob any g36 mags along with it =D

[Omnituens]

i dont get to play very often - there are very few sites up here :(

[Nikumba]

i go there =D

did you go to the game last sat (8th) ? hilarious mishap with one of the grenades, opposing team forgot to light the thing and just chucked it in the window. pretty generous of them i thought, was dissapointed that they didnt lob any g36 mags along with it =D

I was so in that room :) :) :) :) Was in the tropentarn, at the time I would eityher had with me the desert 249 or the glok aeps since the 249 broke in the afternoon :) :)

Kimbie

[Hudson]

I was so in that room :) :) :) :) Was in the tropentarn, at the time I would eityher had with me the desert 249 or the glok aeps since the 249 broke in the afternoon :) :)

Kimbie

woah, small world, i had the 36c, grey camo trousers and blue mirrored gaurders if thats any help? oh an i shouted "THANKS" out the window when they did it :cooler: =D

edit: think i remember the AEP`s actually

[Screwball]

As for licenses Screwball, nope this is a completely legal activity. The only thing to bear in mind is that the police will treat these as real firearms should you use them in the wrong way, eg: robbing a post office with one. But keeping them covered up and using them on private property, that's fine.

k ty :)

[Jamz]

Would the guns from the above site be any good? I'm looking for some starter gear any recommendations

[Hudson]

Would the guns from the above site be any good? I'm looking for some starter gear any recommendations

thing with chinese guns is you can get a really decent clone for cheap, or a complete lemon that`ll disintergrate when shouted at. best bet is to take a look at http://wiki.airsoftcommunity.co.uk/Main_Page

[Cabe]

Ironically the local news (Meridian/ITV) has a segment on replicas tonight, looks like Hampshire police are trying to ban them. Another letter to the local MP is in order I think.

[Nikumba]

Indeed Cabe, cant they just leave us in peace :)

Kimbie

[SprayCan]

Well for anyone who is interested there is plenty of information on the net regarding the VCRA Bill, and Airsoft's exemption from it.

Jamz - read the page supplied by Hudson. Personally, I would recommend the guns from Jing Gong, although AGM do a good M14 clone, as well as an MP40.

[Hudson]

JG guns are ment to be top notch, stuff like wellfire/BE are rubbish (got a be sr-16 clone for £40, utter junk, managed to salavge the forward handle for my g36 but thats about it).

[Jamz]

Ok, based on reviews etc that I've found I'd be looking at

http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=105_142_143&products_id=740&osCsid=97889e49d94caa369e355337bdb3edb4

and

http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?cPath=105_142_150&products_id=275&osCsid=97889e49d94caa369e355337bdb3edb4

as 2 starter guns, plus a green laser site just cause it's cool :D

Any opinions?

[SprayCan]

One comment I'll make about the M4 varient you have chosen, is that it has a Crane Stock, and as such requires crane stock batteries. And considering this is cheapsoft, a brand new crane stock battery will cost you as much as the gun. So your best option is to buy something which takes either mini batteries (like the standard m4a1), or large batteries (solid stock m16).

If you want a compact gun, I would recommend the Jing Gong W733, a direct clone of the M733 rifle. Nice and small, but an excellent gun none the less.

As for the pistol, well I can't comment too much as I havn't owned a KJW pistol of that type. But I will say that I have owned three Tokyo Marui pistols now (desert eagle, P226 and a 1911), and they performed solidly in the field.

Whatever you do, don't buy Western Arms pistols if it's your first time. They won't meet your expectations, and out of the box you can't use Green Gas in them, as they will break sooner.

[Jamz]

On the RSOV website they do have normal stocks, would it be worth picking one of those up?

[SprayCan]

With the intention of putting the solid stock onto that rifle? I suppose you could, but it would ruin the look of the gun! A CQB-solid stock version? :-P

[Cabe]

Jams, I have the m92 from KJW its a great feeling weapon and performs well in my book.

I run it on Propane most of the time although you do need to lube the mags properly or the seals go and leak all the gas. I would recommend taking the seals out getting a 100% silicon lube spray and leave the seals in a plastic bag overnight before you use them. I will try and get the tutorial for you.

[Jamz]

With the intention of putting the solid stock onto that rifle? I suppose you could, but it would ruin the look of the gun! A CQB-solid stock version? :-P

Could you link to a recommended Rifle then? I'm a complete noob at this so need all the help i can get.

[Jamz]

Jams, I have the m92 from KJW its a great feeling weapon and performs well in my book.

I run it on Propane most of the time although you do need to lube the mags properly or the seals go and leak all the gas. I would recommend taking the seals out getting a 100% silicon lube spray and leave the seals in a plastic bag overnight before you use them. I will try and get the tutorial for you.

Cheers mate, I would appreciate that.

[SprayCan]

Jamz, on the left hand side of the RSOV website is a list of all cheapsoft manufacturers. Right at the very top is 'JG - Jing Gong'. Click on that, and it'll filter the view for you - two or so pages of guns made by them. As I said, I recommend the W733.

[Hudson]

pah, i did QCB with a full stock AK, that wasnt fun =D

the JG MP5`s are awsome, but too powerful for most sites. However if you get them from http://www.airsoftworld.co.uk/ they can have them downgraded FPS (feet per second) wise

[Omnituens]

personally, i prefer mah P90

more pew pew.

[Hudson]

personally, i prefer mah P90

more pew pew.

spaceship and a LAZERRRRRRRR

lets hope that dont get rerun over and over

[Jamz]

Ok now i like

http://www.rsov.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=95&products_id=753&osCsid=55b0e40fc4d5c8937c752ad83e6a7bfe

but apparently it's 400fps or more out the box

[kandy]

Are they actually powerful these airsoft replicas, because trying to shoot someone from across a field with a BB gun has never sounded like much fun to me.

ie. would you be able to him someone with a sniper rifle 200-300m away?

[Mastacheif]

what kandy said and are they all plastic

[SprayCan]

OK:

1. At the end of the day, these are toys. You arn't going to get real-life velocities or ranges out of them. UK law allows a maximum muzzle velocity of 328 feet per second on all fully-automatic replicas. In distance, that works out to about 120-130 feet. Single shot bolt-action rifles are permitted up to 500fps, giving a rough distance of 200 feet (between 80 and 90 metres) at the most. But honestly, when your out there shooting people it's much more fun :).

2. It depends what company you buy from. Tokyo Marui, and the cheapsoft companies who have based their guns on TM designs have plastic bodies, with an amount of metal content (for example, the m4a1 has a metal front-end, but a plastic body). Other companies, like ICS and Classic Army (along with the cheapsoft companies who copy them) have full metal bodies. But the long and short of it is, TM is the standard for reliability. At the end of the day, would you rather carry a plastic gun that is going to work and doesn't weigh much, or a full-metal gun that weighs a lot more, and is far more prone to breaking down (plus costs a LOT more)?

[Mastacheif]

I c ok.... that helps thanks.

I figure regular airsoft is a good fitness excercise, i can understand the rifle functionality of plastic but would prefer metal pistols / mini SMG's as secondary. It does seem an expensive intial startup i should perhaps visit a site first and try it out before i go spending £500+ on kit.

[SprayCan]

Definately your best option. Some sites have a one-hit-dead policy, where the first time you are hit, you're out for the rest of the game.

Other sites however, like my local, have a 'dead zone' policy. When your hit, back to your deadzone. The second you get back, you're allowed back into the game. In this sort of environment, you may well find that a secondary weapon isn't really needed.

So if you want to try out Airsoft for the first time, you may be better off visiting your local site, and enquiring about renting a gun for the day. Most sites offer a package that's relatively good value for money, especially compared to a single day of Paintball!

[Predat0r]

Definately your best option. Some sites have a one-hit-dead policy, where the first time you are hit, you're out for the rest of the game.

Other sites however, like my local, have a 'dead zone' policy. When your hit, back to your deadzone. The second you get back, you're allowed back into the game. In this sort of environment, you may well find that a secondary weapon isn't really needed.

So if you want to try out Airsoft for the first time, you may be better off visiting your local site, and enquiring about renting a gun for the day. Most sites offer a package that's relatively good value for money, especially compared to a single day of Paintball!

I really don't think renting is a good idea for trying it out - borrow a mate's gun for a day and try it for a couple of hours in a few games. Rental guns are usually old Tippy 98's or Infernos, which are cheap and easy to repair, but don't shoot consistently and due to being set at velocities of around 190-220, they usually whiz off in another direction before getting too close. Paintball even though similar to airsoft, is quite different due to legal velocity settings (tournament laws are maximum of 300, and sites around 270-285) and balls tend to be slower and not as much travel as pellets from an air rifle or bb gun. Which is why the brightly coloured guns and jerseys, along with tightly packed playing areas, are more common within paintball than woodsy play. :):

Though paintball markers are MUCH more expensive than high range bb guns - I'm not too sure why, but there's probably a reason. (decent high range marker = £700+, i *think* high range replicas are around £150-£400.)

[SprayCan]

Squirrel, I think your getting the topic of this thread confused. It's regarding Airsoft, not Paintball. The rentals I'm speaking of are Airsoft rentals...

[kandy]

If thats the case with distance then I can image this being quite fun in enclosed areas (buildings, forts etc.).

The shotguns look awesome!!! Face full of BB's anyone?

Also are they metal or plastic BB? Can you use metal?

[SprayCan]

No, all BB's in airsoft are plastic. You cannot use metal bb's as they are far too heavy. But primarily, your just not allowed to.

Shotguns are overrated - anyone with an AEG will win against a shotgun player hands down, unless they are extremely skilled (and get lucky).

[Jamz]

Ok with doing the Maths I've decided to try and find a UK retailer for these guns, the RSOV price is good but when you add delivery and the more than likely Import Duty and VAT it's not much difference in price and with a UK retailer it will be far easier to return the gun :D

[SprayCan]

Airsoft Scotland will see you ok for cheapsoft equipment.

[Predat0r]

Squirrel, I think your getting the topic of this thread confused. It's regarding Airsoft, not Paintball. The rentals I'm speaking of are Airsoft rentals...

My bad - 2 in the morning and I got the word "paintball" in there confused with you actually pointing out to go to a paintball site to see what it's like. Shows how much sleep I need... :):

And on a relative note, unless airsoft comes up with one of these (http://www.armoredfistpaintball.com/images/Events/Bear%20Claw%20Kursk%202005/BC-Kursk-05_panther-paintball-tank_c3_0013.jpg), I'll be staying with paintball. :D:

And are there any local sites? The only one I knew about near Reading in the Caversham direction shut down a couple of years ago.

[Hudson]

dont go to airshooter, their delivery time ranges from 4 days to 2 months

[SprayCan]

Well you can buy a .50cal in airsoft flavour, mount that on top of a jeep and your laughing ;)

[Predat0r]

True that, but you still can't beat a good tank. ;-)
Mind you, those RSOV guns don't half look cheap - might buy one and see what it's like, since I can't be arsed to spend £400 on that new tippmann marker that came out recently.

Anyone airsoft regularly then?

[SprayCan]

Every 2 weeks!

[Predat0r]

Ahh, wicked. How much is it per week then? Since the reason why I stopped paintballing is due to it becoming much too expensive than I could actually afford...

[SprayCan]

Depends where you go. At my local site, it's £16 to play for the day. You can hire a gun for £15, and you can buy a bag of 5000 bb's for £10. As the rentals have free battery charging should they need it, you will get by on £30 at airsoft.

[Jamz]

Ok, I've gone for the

JG M4 S-System

http://www.airsoftscotland.com/acatalog/JG_SSystemCarbine.gif

I've gone for this as it's more upgradeable with the Rails etc.

I So can't wait for this to turn up now

[Jamz]

now have a 2x magnification scope and 3 extra hi caps to go with it, I've downgraded the spring and I'm playing my first CQB on sunday

[SprayCan]

I expect you'll have fun :)

[Jamz]

OMFG, SC you were so right on the money it was absolutely amazing I had such a good time, the CQB in a old tile factory was brilliant, really enjoyed myself, if anyone likes playing soldiers and wants to shoot people this is the way to go, seriously.

[SprayCan]

What site did you play at?

[Jamz]

Unreal Airsoft in Stoke it was ace indoor CQB site in an old tile making factory. www.unrealairsoft.co.uk

[QBlank]

I have been to paintball many times but always been interested in Airsoft. So when your playing a match if you get hit is it all based on honesty i.e you walk off with hand up? Im just thinking the amount of pellet things that are fired you must be hit loads.

[SilentMike]

What do the cheaper guns fire like?
I wouldent mind one but dont want to shed out a s**t-tonne of money.

[Jamz]

My JG M4 S-System is really good (£130 from www.airsoftworld.co.uk) the gearbox is amazing and easily as good as a TM one, the reviews are amazing and everyone at the game on sunday were commenting on how good the quality was on it.

[Jamz]

Well I've been doing this now for 6 weeks and I'm loving it, going to Urban Assault this weekend which should be nice :D

[tucool]

A little shop I like to go to because it sells my two favourite things, loud speakers and guns.. www.victormorris.com has a notice that they have to stop selling all replicas/blanks
steel BB/pellet pistols and rifles until they get a VCR licence or something (comes into enforcement on 1 Oct)..

but... the reason Im telling you this.

As of 1 Oct all Airsoft guns (in Scotland at least) have to be easily distinguishable from real guns, this means bright coloured guns!

Ive just bought a Walther CP99 because, this is the last chance I have to legaly own one and.. the sale prices in Victor Morris (because he cant sell guns till the new licence comes though) are realllly cheap!


You might be able to get some really cheap stuff for your hobby there because the sale is about 70% off ;) weapons/ammo/armour/guns.

[Nikumba]

Well I've been doing this now for 6 weeks and I'm loving it, going to Urban Assault this weekend which should be nice :D

Cool, i go there, you doing both days or just the Sat?

[Jamz]

Just the saturday, didn't realise there were to days

[Nikumba]

Yeah there are doing a weekender, urban on Saturday camp at the woodland site that evening then woodland on the Sunday

Kimbie

[Jamz]

Gutted, didn't know otherwise would have been well up for that!

[sweetlouise]

if you take the time on google, you can get this stuff from the uk for the same price, i always get smoke grenades and paint grendes in bulk from a uk supplier, i even sold them on ebay for a few months until someone grassed me in, so i had to stop.