Which Games? (split from WCG FAQ)

[Gunsmith]

carbon?! ewwwwwwwww

[SilentMike]

carbon?! ewwwwwwwww

at least you could probably go on to win it :)

[Atos]

Always difficult, but based on my PC gaming experience, likelihood of WCG success, and size of community, I would say.....

1. Starcraft®: Brood War™ (NO - depth and skill within the UK community is lacking)
2. WarCraft® III: The Frozen Throne™ (YES - Some great players and a large community, arguably worth sending both finalists)
3. Half-Life®: Counter-Strike™ (YES – no justification required – although from a personal point of view I am constantly amazed by the mentality of some teams)
4. Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars™ (YES - A new release deserves to be represented to find out how good our players are, arguably worth sending both finalists for this game too)
5. Age of Empires® III: The WarChiefs (YES - From personal experience we did have some of the finest players in the world for Age of Empires a few years ago, not sure how competitive the UK community is now, well worth sending at least 1 person to find out.
6. FIFA Soccer 07 (maybe?)
7. Need For Speed™ Carbon (NO - we have people who play it, but based on the 2005 NFS WCG competition, and the Carbon event held at I29, no individual appeared that could touch the quality of players based in Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Austria, or Brazil)

N.b. WCG Singapore 2005 the UK sent a full team.

[Gunsmith]

at least you could probably go on to win it :)

probably...

[ChrisyBullard]

Fifa (maybe?)

you have a world champion in your country....maybe?? pfffttt

[ApolloUK]

Nice to see RTS games being supported more in the WCG.

[Maka-]

NFS is the most rediculous game ever to play, the finals for 2005 consisted of:

- Acelethal: A painkiller player
- Astz: A UT2K4 player
- AphexTwin: Mr.Poker
- Myself

Really would be worth NOT having this competition run.

Both blizzard RTS games need to run, would need SC to go for MidiaN. Haven't really seen much of a following for any Microsoft RTS, CnC3 might be worth looking at.

[Dux0r]

gears might do well tbh.

[Atos]

With Fifa and Starcraft you need to know if certain player(s) are going to compete (and how seriously they're going to take it), to make it worthwhile holding a qualifier. I personally also feel that however exceptional one player might be in one game, if there is no domestic community to legitimise their success (how often have we seen less then 10 people in a room battling it out to reach a premier global competition? ...i.e. note Maka's comment - reflective of more then one UK WCG) then can you justify holding a competition for the game?

[AphexTwin]

I'd agree to dropping need for speed, the qualifiers for 06 were a joke, the money could be used for other things, like a £500 beer budget or something.

I know Craig agrees with that!

[ProfLiebstrom]

it's not something that's up to mpuk though is it.

It's something that samsung decide on i believe.

[AphexTwin]

Yes and no.

MPUK can decide ultimately what games to hold qualifiers for based on the budget Samsung give them, previous WCG qualifiers have not seen the UK not send players for every game(note, MPUK are going to send a mix CS team to the European cyber games, when they really didnt have to, and could of used the money elsewhere). Giving up one game(NFSU possibly) and letting an extra player in a different game(possibly WC3 or Fifa), a game where we have talented players would certainly up the possibilities of us having a more successful WCG as a nation.

But again Samsung do pull the purse strings.

[Dux0r]

They have also anounced Tony Hawks Project 8 as a 1v1 game for the xbox 360.

[Dwarfy]

im VERY disapointed that company of heroes isnt in there

best RTS by far.......

[AphexTwin]

It was removed from the newly released game lists Dux0r.

[ApolloUK]

CnC3 will be a far better game the CoH, I was surpised at DoW being removed actually, but cnc3 will be a very good game.

How do the qualifeirs for the WCG work then, do we register here at the end of April when they open? I am clueless here =P

[Gunsmith]

CnC3 will be a far better game the CoH

how do I respond to possibly the most retarded statement I've ever read on these boards?

[Dux0r]

how do I respond to possibly the most retarded statement I've ever read on these boards?

a coming together of the desk and your head repeatedly?

[Atos]

CoH is a great game that adds to the RTS genre, C&C3 will be fun but does not represent any real improvement over what has come before.

[ApolloUK]

Ok ill go buy coh and play ONE matchup on ONE map, toss the coin see who gets allies?? CoH is ok, but is not as good as any cnc series games.

[Elsi]

StarCraft should be included.

Simple as that. If Ireland can host StarCraft as one of their WCG games, then why cant we?

Samsung UK have no idea how to run a WCG, the turnout for last years WCG was pathetic, I wouldn't call it a successful event :/

Is Melissa Hurry in charge this year too? If so, god help us.

[Elsi]

Also you say we have successful WC3 players? What have they achieved please?

Big fat ZERO my friend. Have a look on gosugamers database. Our best player is ranked 58th, and hasn't played a competitive game since 2005!

Very successful aren't we!

[Nemesis.cF-]

Starcraft is a must this year.

The entire UK community has grown alot stronger over the past year and Midian is not the only good UK player..

even if he does not participate (though i suspect he will) i know for a fact that most the other top uk players would be attending, myself included. (although im not a top player im coming for the hell of it :p)

not including it this year would be a crime against gaming.

i myself hosted a lan in summer last year especially for starcraft and got a good turnout, im positive that there would be lots of good UK players participating.



also i have been playing the cnc3 demo since it was released and will be practicing it 6 hours a day evry day after its released and will participate in that if you choose to send a player from it. Its a new game and so there is a strong chance that any dedicated players can pick it up quickly and do well in the WCG.



CS must ofcourse be included, though AoE 3 im more doubtful about.


and since the UK has 1 of the largest console markets in the world i think sending players to represent the console games is always a wise move.

MAKE SURE SOME1 REPRESENTS THE UK IN STARCRAFT!!

[Nemesis.cF-]

im VERY disapointed that company of heroes isnt in there

best RTS by far.......

no...starcraft is best RTS.. wc3 is 2nd best RTS... cnc3 is 3rd best, TA is 4th best sup com is 5th best the 1st AOE is 6th best then probably red alert and about 3-4 other games before CoH... a good game.. not a great game...

[BrooD.cF-]

Starcraft Brood War is by far the best RTS game ever.


BROOD WAR PLEASEEEEEEEEE

[BrooD.cF-]

Always difficult, but based on my PC gaming experience, likelihood of WCG success, and size of community, I would say.....

1. Starcraft®: Brood War™ (NO - depth and skill within the UK community is lacking)
2. WarCraft® III: The Frozen Throne™ (YES - Some great players and a large community, arguably worth sending both finalists)
3. Half-Life®: Counter-Strike™ (YES – no justification required – although from a personal point of view I am constantly amazed by the mentality of some teams)
4. Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars™ (YES - A new release deserves to be represented to find out how good our players are, arguably worth sending both finalists for this game too)
5. Age of Empires® III: The WarChiefs (YES - From personal experience we did have some of the finest players in the world for Age of Empires a few years ago, not sure how competitive the UK community is now, well worth sending at least 1 person to find out.
6. FIFA Soccer 07 (maybe?)
7. Need For Speed™ Carbon (NO - we have people who play it, but based on the 2005 NFS WCG competition, and the Carbon event held at I29, no individual appeared that could touch the quality of players based in Germany, Ukraine, Russia, Austria, or Brazil)

N.b. WCG Singapore 2005 the UK sent a full team.



Furthermore ATOS Starcraft UK Community is amazing recently so please don't place a noob game like AOE above it ...

[ToT)MidiaN(]

saying that starcraft's "depth and skill" is lacking is pretty much an insult, I performed better in my group than many of the players representing other games and that's despite the fact that i didnt practice and all and got a bad group draw=[

starcraft should certainly be included depth and skill wise. sending 2 warcraft3 players and 0 starcraft players as Atos suggests would be totally retarded.

[ToT)MidiaN(]

Oh yea and I just beat WCG 2005 #2 (Androide) 2:0 even though I've been pretty much inactive for over a year so say what you want about my skills, you're clearly clueless =]

[Nemesis.cF-]

<3 midian lets get u to wcg :D and lets show tht uk sc > uk evrything else! :D

[KwarK.cF-]

UK Starcraft scene is looking pretty hot this year. Hoping to challenge MidiaN (we can dream) and I think we definitely deserve a few slots.
As for other RTS games comparing to Starcraft, only someone who has never played it would say anything but Starcraft > all. To give a simple analogy, it's like a virgin saying masturbation > sex.

[BrooD.cF-]

Midian <3 <3 <3

Win us a WCG


Starcraft for the win.

If anything maybe starcraft should be given 2

[BrooD.cF-]

im VERY disapointed that company of heroes isnt in there

best RTS by far.......



Dwarfy hasn't played starcraft :D

[Nemesis.cF-]

2... nah...3!! :D

thread officially pwnt by the pissed off uk sc community!

[SirQuirinus]

ahh <3 Starcraft: Brood war will and must live forever, the UK sc community rocks and will get better with added support.. STARCRAFT FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR =D

[Devvy]

I'd be highly disappointed if Starcraft doesn't make the cut this year, it truly is the best RTS game. A fair proportion of the old battle.net #GBR-1 peeps have passed through the ranks of MPUK over the last 5-6 years.

[Tranquility]

If there is no SC at WCG, I will hang myself. All those other RTS's suck btw :slider:

[Nemesis.cF-]

devvy ur part of multiplay team? can u tell me why the feg there is no sc tourney at the iseries lans? evry time i see 1 i consider going, see no sc and decide not 2 lol

the sc community is rebelling!!!

[BrooD.cF-]

The SC community is rebelling
Because all the other games are smelling

A short Poem by I.P.Freely

xD

[lozZ]

Starcraft Ftw xD

[lozZ]

Even Girls play starcraft we are part of the community and we want wcg! :)

[Devvy]

devvy ur part of multiplay team? can u tell me why the feg there is no sc tourney at the iseries lans? evry time i see 1 i consider going, see no sc and decide not 2 lol

the sc community is rebelling!!!

I've stepped back from MPUK now and passed the torch, but we stopped doing it as there wasn't enough interest in it. It used to be prize winning, then interest dwindled, and it was run as a fun tourney, then not enough people were interested in it so we canned it.

Judging by this thread though, it seems to have a bit of a resurgence.

Not being staff any more, means I can play in a future BW tourney now :D

[Atos]

Wasn't referring to your skills Midian, but of the UK SC community as a whole. You, as an individual, represent a strong reason to send a starcraft player. It is always difficult, especially on an informal board like this, to include various 'caveats' that adequately represent the FULL reasoning behind any statement a person makes. Note I also said in another post in this thread....

"With Fifa and Starcraft you need to know if certain player(s) are going to compete (and how seriously they're going to take it), to make it worthwhile holding a qualifier."

For Starcraft I had you in mind, if you have the time to take this year's event professionally then I think you alone make a very strong case for holding Starcraft in the UK, especially as you'll have benefited from Singapore and I would have reasonable confidence that you would do a job for yourself and the UK.

Equally I still believe there is a debate to be had when I said...(and I paraphrase here)

"I personally also feel that however exceptional one player might be in one game....can you justify holding a competition without a domestic community to legitimise their success?"

This an issue independent of any player, and looks to call attention to the underlining basis for holding UK cyber competitions....i.e. just what legitimate criteria are we applying? Once we understand this we may get some greater consistency in decision making. You of all people should want to see this happen, why is it Starcraft was represented in 2000 and 2005, but nowhere inbetween and after? Was the community especially strong/weak during some of those years? Of course not, I doubt the community changed in any really significant way throughout that period, we just have inconsistent decision making which doesn't encourage confidence in the UK WCG.

It is good to see some passionate voices on the UK WCG. I believe this is being assisted by having the same organiser for consecutive years! A simple and fundamental consistency that Samsung have failed to achieve since the WCG began. Usually you’d be lucky to know two months in advance of the UK final, let alone be able to express an opinion that might actually influence which games will be picked.

[Nemesis.cF-]

I've stepped back from MPUK now and passed the torch, but we stopped doing it as there wasn't enough interest in it. It used to be prize winning, then interest dwindled, and it was run as a fun tourney, then not enough people were interested in it so we canned it.

Judging by this thread though, it seems to have a bit of a resurgence.

Not being staff any more, means I can play in a future BW tourney now :D

by making tourneys with just afew players if u make it more of a focal point u can increase intrest for next time ;).

just saying ^^;.

[BrooD.cF-]

Even if Midian doesn't want to participate SC should still be picked there is strong competition between top 10 UK SC players maybe even top 15...

Not my opinion but iG.MultiZerg thinks that his ZvT and ZvP is better than Midian's which suggest great confidence in skill.

Although this might not be true i wouldn't put the SC community down in anyway...

To be honest i think CS Starcraft then Warcraft are the most important games to the UK in that order for WCG

[Nemesis.cF-]

Wasn't referring to your skills Midian, but of the UK SC community as a whole. You, as an individual, represent a strong reason to send a starcraft player. It is always difficult, especially on an informal board like this, to include various 'caveats' that adequately represent the FULL reasoning behind any statement a person makes. Note I also said in another post in this thread....

"With Fifa and Starcraft you need to know if certain player(s) are going to compete (and how seriously they're going to take it), to make it worthwhile holding a qualifier."

For Starcraft I had you in mind, if you have the time to take this year's event professionally then I think you alone make a very strong case for holding Starcraft in the UK, especially as you'll have benefited from Singapore and I would have reasonable confidence that you would do a job for yourself and the UK.

Equally I still believe there is a debate to be had when I said...(and I paraphrase here)

"I personally also feel that however exceptional one player might be in one game....can you justify holding a competition without a domestic community to legitimise their success?"

This an issue independent of any player, and looks to call attention to the underlining basis for holding UK cyber competitions....i.e. just what legitimate criteria are we applying? Once we understand this we may get some greater consistency in decision making. You of all people should want to see this happen, why is it Starcraft was represented in 2000 and 2005, but nowhere inbetween and after? Was the community especially strong/weak during some of those years? Of course not, I doubt the community changed in any really significant way throughout that period, we just have inconsistent decision making which doesn't encourage confidence in the UK WCG.

It is good to see some passionate voices on the UK WCG. I believe this is being assisted by having the same organiser for consecutive years! A simple and fundamental consistency that Samsung have failed to achieve since the WCG began. Usually you’d be lucky to know two months in advance of the UK final, let alone be able to express an opinion that might actually influence which games will be picked.



you forget that midian isnt the only player in the UK.. yes he is almost certianly our best hope.. but in the past few months the community has kick started again and with other communities seemingly weaker surely it is a good thing to send more than 1 player.. when u consider we are wasting places on games which we stand no real chances in and which has less followers such as need for speed.

aside from cs starcraft and cnc3 are probably our best bets at doing well.. so why not exploit it more?

[ApolloUK]

To be honest i think CS Starcraft then Warcraft are the most important games to the UK in that order for WCG

You totally forget about the online that cnc3 will bring... that amount of online RTS gamers that want to compete with cnc3 will be huge. I know 5+ names of my head of UK gamers that want to try out for the cnc3 team, myself being one aswell. CnC3 will be a bright hope for the UK in the WCG.

You will see when I come down to i30 for the cnc3 2v2 tourny. You are too negative.

[Nemesis.cF-]

np... i will win the cnc3 :) ima b training 8 hours a day solid from release.. im already practicing on the demo..

[ApolloUK]

Yea, any previous cnc experience?

[KwarK.cF-]

The UK Starcraft scene shouldn't just be seen as Midian. In fact I'd debate whether it should even include Midian given his refusal to play on the national team and his avoidance of the other UK players. And while I wouldn't dispute that right now, Midian is in a league of his own in Starcraft, there are a number of strong contenders and it will be a long summer. Unemployment + starcraft = skills
Don't write us off too quickly.

[Agent]

Ive always liked the cnc series and cnc3 demo looks good but I got to say aoe3 the warchiefs just pwnz all rts games out there atm. The is a must and Im sure U.K will produce some strong player heck I prolly try to :P.

[bon]

Agent you should not post if you cant spell. aoe3 is a horrible rts.

in regards to midian, he is miles ahead of the uk scene. not much more to say than that. he simply plays on a completely different level to the rest of uk.

However there is a uk scene away from midian. lets see starcraft at the Uk 2007 wcg. If you dont have it, and have **** like aoe3 it will be a sad day for gaming.

[AphexTwin]

Also you say we have successful WC3 players? What have they achieved please?

Big fat ZERO my friend. Have a look on gosugamers database. Our best player is ranked 58th, and hasn't played a competitive game since 2005!

Very successful aren't we!

I said talented, not successful, the UK as a whole hasn't ever been succesful at WCG, not since around 2001 have we won any kind of medal.

[ApolloUK]

Do we have a good css team? There surely must be 5good CS players.

[Elsi]

I said talented, not successful, the UK as a whole hasn't ever been succesful at WCG, not since around 2001 have we won any kind of medal.

2002, 2003...... We won medals!

If the WC3 team was talented, they would be competing in all these major WC3 tournaments! But where are they?

WCG 2005 was pretty good as the UK sent a representative to cover all games, fair play to Jolt.

[Joey[kins]]

it's like a virgin saying masturbation > sex.
BEST

QUOTE

EVER

[ApolloUK]

When will we know what games the UK will be covering?

[AphexTwin]

2002, 2003...... We won medals!

If the WC3 team was talented, they would be competing in all these major WC3 tournaments! But where are they?

WCG 2005 was pretty good as the UK sent a representative to cover all games, fair play to Jolt.

Im trying to understand where you are coming from, why are you slating british WC3 players? I was wrong, we actually did get a fair few medals in the 02 and 03 WCG(I totally forgot about wc3 when i wrote that. We won silver at UT2K4 and WC3 nations, bronze at some Halo 2 tournament it seems).

All i remember saying initially was that we should possibly drop a game and send another player from a different game(so we have 2 for that game) much like other nations do, im not forcing anyone to do this, it was merely a suggestion(one that is likely to be overlooked).

[Atos]

I am no longer part of the AoE community, but I played every AoE title EVER released, apart from Warchiefs. From this vast experience I can certainly vouch for the fact that AoE3 (and i'm sure the expansion pack only improves it) is a top class RTS title. Not sure why Bon is so against it, it is both a distinctive and skilful RTS.

[ApolloUK]

AoE is more about macro than micro, the game was boring and about spam imo.

[Elsi]

StarCraft is a must, look at this thread for example, the demand is there....


Back on topic, if the organisers plan this properly and get the appropriate funding we need, because there’s plenty of time before the qualifiers, we could send 2 players for each game, apart from CS which needs 5.

Get cracking boys!


Also you mentioned the i series hosted a few StarCraft events with prizes, but was the community told about it? Nope :/

Same as WCG 2000, depressing!

We aren't a third would country!

[KwarK.cF-]

ahh <3 Starcraft: Brood war will and must live forever, the UK sc community rocks and will get better with added support.. STARCRAFT FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR =D

Sup Kvir. Starcraft has totally taken over this thread now. :D

[uC.psyCrowe]

to be perfectly honest... this is the best ive seen the GBR community on Brood War, and ive been playing since the start of it all

yes midian is our best player... but Nemesis.cF- has taken over the national team over the past few months, and we have alot of up coming players... sure nothing as good as midian, but we are all still young and getting better

i would definatly attend a WCG UK, or even any BW LAN that was happening, but the biggest hurdle for me is the transport, i dont own a car.

theres a few decent scottish players, dono wtf happening with doki, but i guess if this went through, then we could all travel down :}

and as for u gusy arranging LANS etc and having no idea about the BW community in GBR, well, nemesis is making a website for the BW community, and i guess you'l have to wait and see! :]

[Nemesis.cF-]

Yea, any previous cnc experience?
zh i was pretty good on.. but sc is the only experiance u need.. all other RTS games feel slow after u play sc.. 150 actions per minute attacking 2 fronts at the same time telling your melee units to run into their ranged and **** em up whilst targeting their spellcasters and retreating indurded units from battle at the same time as making sure that your 12 gatesways+1 stargate are producing more units and expanding across the map taking map control..

that compared to cnc telling ur rocket guys to target tanks and telling ur tanks 2 target theirs and your infantry and flame tanks to pwn their infantry.. whilst getting bored and wondering why god gave us the ability to multitask?

aoe3 the warchiefs just pwnz all rts games out there atm.

u know i didnt even buy that game.. i played a total of 3 minutes of it at a mates before i was so discusted that i forced him to sell it and not waste money again?

that game has more problems than an emo with no fringe!

Agent you should not post if you cant spell. aoe3 is a horrible rts.

in regards to midian, he is miles ahead of the uk scene. not much more to say than that. he simply plays on a completely different level to the rest of uk.

However there is a uk scene away from midian. lets see starcraft at the Uk 2007 wcg. If you dont have it, and have **** like aoe3 it will be a sad day for gaming.

wtf are u here for yah damn aussie :p anything for midian eh?

well anyways the rest of the uk isnt as far behind him as u think.. ur just a midian fan boy and evry1 who knows u knows u are :D. he is ofc our best.. and probably 70% chance of winning but the 29% of the 30% is good and is capable of beating midian when playing well... 1% of the ppl with a chance is noobs like me ;D (midian prepare for my l33t cannon rushing skillz)... this thread alone proves the uk community on sc is proboably bigger than evrything except the cs community.. and imo we should get 2 slots and some1 should send me +elsi for free for reviving the sc community over the past year.. (mainly me but esli's been trying 2 keep it going for before i even picked up the game probably)
dono wtf happening with doki

saw him about a month ago.. he has pretty much quit until hes over with uni and stuff.. i chatted to him abit told him 2 make sure he comes back after hes done :p.

Im trying to understand where you are coming from, why are you slating british WC3 players? I was wrong, we actually did get a fair few medals in the 02 and 03 WCG(I totally forgot about wc3 when i wrote that. We won silver at UT2K4 and WC3 nations, bronze at some Halo 2 tournament it seems).

All i remember saying initially was that we should possibly drop a game and send another player from a different game(so we have 2 for that game) much like other nations do, im not forcing anyone to do this, it was merely a suggestion(one that is likely to be overlooked).

drop aoe3 since it sucks and send 2 ppl on sc who actually stand a chance to not suck!?

hmm maybe i should setup a rent-a-thread-stealing-army company :)

[Yzaxtol]

I play both CnC and SC quite alot, and I can say SC requires a Hell of alot more skill and very fast reactions to master then CnC games, however i've seen alot more potential in C&C 3 then any past CnC game i've ever played.. so time will tell which way C&C 3 will go

yeh I hated AoE 3 aswell..

[Nemesis.cF-]

I play both CnC and SC quite alot, and I can say SC requires a Hell of alot more skill and very fast reactions to master then CnC games, however i've seen alot more potential in C&C 3 then any past CnC game i've ever played.. so time will tell which way C&C 3 will go

yeh I hated AoE 3 aswell..

yah see ppl this guy got sence.. yes.. previous cnc games were easy compared 2 sc... yes the new 1 (after playing the demo) is a big step up and i think will become a good competative game hense i will buy it and train on it until wcg2007...

it wont get as big as sc overall tho.. probably bigger in the uk but still..

[KwarK.cF-]

I play both CnC and SC quite alot, and I can say SC requires a Hell of alot more skill and very fast reactions to master then CnC games, however i've seen alot more potential in C&C 3 then any past CnC game i've ever played.. so time will tell which way C&C 3 will go

yeh I hated AoE 3 aswell..

Cool. What's your sc aka?

[Agent]

Agent you should not post if you cant spell. aoe3 is a horrible rts.

in regards to midian, he is miles ahead of the uk scene. not much more to say than that. he simply plays on a completely different level to the rest of uk.

However there is a uk scene away from midian. lets see starcraft at the Uk 2007 wcg. If you dont have it, and have **** like aoe3 it will be a sad day for gaming.

Thou sc was good in it days I prefer not to see a game that was made by cavemen being featured at wcg UK. Age3 warchiefs>>>all other rts fo sho :P age series(ES) have always done the best and most accurate rts games which actually require a brain to play. Even my kid bro whos like 7 pwns at sc+wc and he dont have a clue whats micro+macro.

[iG Jammy B]

Hi Guys

iG | Infused-Gaming will be attending to represent in the Gears of War team. I've read that only 2 people are sent per game (bar CS), and GoW is a 4 player per team game, so have I just mis-read somewhere?

Check out infused-gaming.net for more info on our team.

Does anybody have any information about where qualifiers take place?

Hit me up on msn: jamies_jammy@hotmail.com

[Nemesis.cF-]

Thou sc was good in it days I prefer not to see a game that was made by cavemen being featured at wcg UK. Age3 warchiefs>>>all other rts fo sho :P age series(ES) have always done the best and most accurate rts games which actually require a brain to play. Even my kid bro whos like 7 pwns at sc+wc and he dont have a clue whats micro+macro.

plz go kill urself... 100% garantee anyone in my clan on sc will rape u and your bro in 100 games and not lose any.... 100% garantee that if u gave 1 of my members AOE3 for 1 week they would rape most the uk scene.. why? because sc require more apm faster macro and micro and after playing it u can pwn other games more quickly with less practise...

seriosly do the world a favour and stop calling yourself a gamer

[Atos]

Good to see that Nemesis, with all his experience, has not forgotten how to encourage and foster a gaming community. All to often gaming communities suffer from kids misspelling the first randomly banal insulting thought that enters their head.....this reinforces the myth that most gamers are lazy, immature, and lacking responsibility…..which in-turn harms the wider activity of ‘gaming’.

With a champion like Nemesis fighting in our corner maybe we can overcome these types of people.

[Dentist]

http://www.acc.umu.se/~zqad/cats/1161382099-1161356741260.jpg

[catbeef]

nemesis' post made me lol banana milkshake into my tache

[Atos]

Dentist, that made me chuckle :)

I'm sure Nemesis will see the irony and flame away, but his last post 'broke the camel's back' and I had to comment. The matter is over for me, I have no intention to trade insults, I will read with interest other peoples comments within this thread regarding the WCG.

[KwarK.cF-]

Thou sc was good in it days I prefer not to see a game that was made by cavemen being featured at wcg UK. Age3 warchiefs>>>all other rts fo sho :P age series(ES) have always done the best and most accurate rts games which actually require a brain to play. Even my kid bro whos like 7 pwns at sc+wc and he dont have a clue whats micro+macro.

Simply not true. You're right, sc is an old game. And as such the people who play it have gotten good. Very good. To reach a passable level off your own skill and intelligence it'd take you about 4 years hard gaming. If one of the better players trained you for about 6 hours a day for 6 months you might just pass as ok. Maybe. Sure, it's old. And the average skill level has been rising solidly for its entire 9 year life. And you come here and tell us all it's a **** game because of it?
By the way, I heard that chess game sucks. And ye Gods, the graphics are just so bad!!! And realism? Like the queen would really be the most powerful. No old game could have any good points. Absolutely no need for strategy or intelligence there.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about but I've done my bit really. I have no intention of trading insults with you. You're like the annoying kid who will insist that black is white just for the sake of being annoying. If you don't like starcraft then that is your loss. The only reason I even dignified your idiocy with a response is because instead of the tolerable option of just keeping your clearly incorrect ideas to yourself, you come online and act like you know what you're talking about. This is a WCG I'd like to participate in and I'll be damned if some 12 year old whose idea of enjoyable gaming is 3D graphics takes that away from me.

[catbeef]

where is worms armageddon :(

i would win that!

[KwarK.cF-]

Good to see that Nemesis, with all his experience, has not forgotten how to encourage and foster a gaming community. All to often gaming communities suffer from kids misspelling the first randomly banal insulting thought that enters their head.....this reinforces the myth that most gamers are lazy, immature, and lacking responsibility…..which in-turn harms the wider activity of ‘gaming’.

With a champion like Nemesis fighting in our corner maybe we can overcome these types of people.

Lol. Subtle. :D
Though, as much as it would appear that he is just doing the same old flame, exaggerate and insult routine there are mitigating circumstances here. Firstly he's right, any cF would not lose a single game to a player who had not played intensively for about a year. It just wouldn't happen. Secondly, you actually do need to be stupid to think AoE > SC:BW. This isn't an insult, it's a description. And as such doesn't count as flaming. Thirdly, the please die. Seems extreme doesn't it? Seems like Neme is buying into the exaggerated mindless hate on forums? Strangely enough, that isn't the case here. Nemesis actually does genuinely want him to die. Which is why, although it seems as if Neme is being as bad as every other flamer (though with the sense to support the game which is clearly superior) this is not the case. Nemesis is simply stating the truth. That any cF would never lose a game to someone who hadn't been gaming for years. Not one in a thousand. That to think AofE, where the best gamers play on 100 APM, the macro is much simpler and the unit balance and advantages is laughable is better than starcraft is similar to thinking that cancer is better than sex. Neme is not being offensive, he is stating the truth. It's just in this case the truth is offensive. Consider it like telling the ugly kid he's ugly. It's cruel, but it's not flaming.

[Atos]

I agree with you KwarK....Starcraft is deeply complex and merits it status as one of the longest surviving competitive online games, I personally have a significant amount of respect for the ability of skilled SC:BW players. But...if I believed football was the best and most complex sport in the world, that is not to say other sporting games should not be played. The same argument applies to video games.

[BrooD.cF-]

Look this isn't about what is the best game it's what we're most likely to win..... To be honest from experience i must admit the likelyhood of us winning a WCG in starcraft isn't so great.... alot of other countries TOP SC gamers have some amazing talent... but to be honest i think Midian is an amazing talented player himself and could possibly win it. Beating ToT) members isn't so easy =].

[KwarK.cF-]

I agree with you KwarK....Starcraft is deeply complex and merits it status as one of the longest surviving competitive online games, I personally have a significant amount of respect for the ability of skilled SC:BW players. But...if I believed football was the best and most complex sport in the world, that is not to say other sporting games should not be played. The same argument applies to video games.

Fair point. But the question at hand here is who should be sent to compete at WCG and there is a limited number of spaces that can be allocated. So while you could say they're different and everything deserves the same respect, that isn't a useful solution to the slot allocation. My purpose in this forum is to argue as many slots for Starcraft as I can, both because I want one and because I genuinely believe it to be the best game available. If we could represent ourselves in every game, I'd go for that. But given that we can't, the relative skill requirements of the games becomes an issue that should be discussed.

[uC.psyCrowe]

BW should really only have 1 slot imho, a few more slots would be nice, but gotta think about it as a whole UK team, not just a BW team, the best of every game gotta b sent, if theres 2 really amazing warcraft players that have a good shot, then sure send 2 of them, but by all means, give BW at least 1 slot

i dont care about which game is better, who is best gamers, NOTHING

if BW has more WCG's and more LANS happening around, then our community would become much better and stronger

as its been said before, UK has alot of new good players coming through etc, their not the best of the best, but the potential is there

just give BW a chance man, i dont think there was a good turnout last year because there was not much word about it

[Agent]

plz go kill urself... 100% garantee anyone in my clan on sc will rape u and your bro in 100 games and not lose any.... 100% garantee that if u gave 1 of my members AOE3 for 1 week they would rape most the uk scene.. why? because sc require more apm faster macro and micro and after playing it u can pwn other games more quickly with less practise...

seriosly do the world a favour and stop calling yourself a gamer

All talk and no action that justs typical. Come over to age3 right now you want a week? Ill give you a month you still wont beat me. As to doing more apm's where has that actually got you???.. I mean we all know and its a fact that both on sc+wc the U.K gamers stink as compaired with the rest of the world. U.K age series player have always done respectfully at wcg whenever a age game has featued and currently we have afew players ranking top5 in the world on twc. Atleast they have a better chance of winning somthing rofl so who are you trying to kid?. And nemmy remember one thing its not all about which game is better or which requires more skill samsung U.K would prefer to spend money where there is a profit, why waste it where sc U.K has never produced one winning gamer seriously over the many years sc has featured at wcg how many times has a U.K player won or has come near to winning.?? wake up dude.

[KwarK.cF-]

All talk and no action that justs typical. Come over to age3 right now you want a week? Ill give you a month you still wont beat me. As to doing more apm's where has that actually got you???.. I mean we all know and its a fact that both on sc+wc the U.K gamers stink as compaired with the rest of the world. U.K age series player have always done respectfully at wcg whenever a age game has featued and currently we have afew players ranking top5 in the world on twc. Atleast they have a better chance of winning somthing rofl so who are you trying to kid?. And nemmy remember one thing its not all about which game is better or which requires more skill samsung U.K would prefer to spend money where there is a profit, why waste it where sc U.K has never produced one winning gamer seriously over the many years sc has featured at wcg how many times has a U.K player won or has come near to winning.?? wake up dude.

SC is unwinnable. Because SC is played in Korea by hundreds of professionals, the best of whom make hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. So lets get that established. UK won't win a bw medal. The pro's practice 13 hours a day. We can't compete with that. But that doesn't mean there's no point sending people. The bw community still watches the WCG and cares where people come. There's still the same pride at stake, the same joy when our player beats a foreigner after an amazing comeback. If a UK player progresses to the semis the world will still see it and understand it as an amazing achievement. Respect in WCG for starcraft isn't a medal issue and that we've never won a medal doesn't mean there is no pride in our achievements.
The UK doesn't suck compared to the world at Starcraft. Midian when active is easily top 10 non Korean. The problem is the "non-Korean" bit. Please, you know nothing about Starcraft so don't attempt to talk about it.

[uC.psyCrowe]

lol when have we ever done well at WCG?

when have we ever played WCG rofl

as far as i can remember, there was last years WCG, which midian says he was off form, and then i cant rememebr, to the best of my knowledge there was 1 before that which no-one knew about at all

[Agent]

lol when have we ever done well at WCG?

when have we ever played WCG rofl

as far as i can remember, there was last years WCG, which midian says he was off form, and then i cant rememebr, to the best of my knowledge there was 1 before that which no-one knew about at all

my point exactly, sc in the U.K is so bad they never botherd with entering and the one time they did in 05 I believe the britsh hope Jamie aka midian played respectfully but ulitmatly got slaughtered. Why you think he wont go again even if it is entered by U.K? he knows as does everyone else noone can compete with the koreans just a waste of time really.

[Agent]

Anyways the only reason im backing aoe3:twc is my cousin pwnz at it and is ranked top5 consistantly beating the top guys in the world atleast U.K can be represented with a winning chance. Myself im looking forward to cnc3 loved the demo. :deg:

[Blind]

Sorry - The standard of typing and spelling has burnt my eyes....I can no longer continue. :(

On a serious note, if you want to make a point regarding the game of choice please make it in the Queen's English and not turn it into a slanging match between different teams/games/whatever.

[Agent]

Indeed you are right but nobody likes the queen so who cares :spin2: . dis lingo pwnzzzzzzzzz da queen anyday :P.

[AphexTwin]

Hi Guys

iG | Infused-Gaming will be attending to represent in the Gears of War team. I've read that only 2 people are sent per game (bar CS), and GoW is a 4 player per team game, so have I just mis-read somewhere?

Check out infused-gaming.net for more info on our team.

Does anybody have any information about where qualifiers take place?

Hit me up on msn: jamies_jammy@hotmail.com

GoW for WCG Is 3v3, a team of 3 will be sent.

[Nemesis.cF-]

you think when we small countrys send 1 person to comepte in the olympics its because they think they got a chance to win?

-.-

its not all about winning.. its about showing off what the UK has to offer.. were not koreans.. get over it...other countrys enter worse players than we do..but IMO its about the community, the game and how good we are.. a healthy balance of all 3... the SC uk community is still going against the odds.. why not reward it? if midian finishes top 4 in starcraft even if its an outside chance.. it will attract alot more fame and attention than if we won AoE3... if he even beat a korean in 1 single game it would bring more fame and attention -.- and seeing as thats all u guys seem to care about with your


but we can win on this game attitude then i dnt see a problem -.-

finishing top 8 on starcraft is more of an accomplishment than winning half the other games...evry1 knows its the hardest...korea dominates almost evry game at WCG...and the 1 they care about most: starcraft :p koreans cant be wrong!!

[Dwarfy]

correction i HAVE played starcraft and yes its VERY VERY good, used to play it to death

i personally think that CoH is ALOT more tactical, use of cover etc

as for cnc3 being better. WTF are u on?

CoH raised the standards of RTS, starcraft set them mind, CNC3 is NO WHERE AS GOOD AS COH, END OF....

[uC.psyCrowe]

omg this is so stupid, we never get any wordat all about any WCG

last year was a shock and was a boost for the GBR community, it gave the players something to look forward to and to seriosuly compete against eachother


BW will send at least 1 player

enough is enough

[Nemesis.cF-]

if we dnt send 1 player on sc then ima tell some of my gd sc friends to go onto these other games become the best player.. win next WCG UK then say "nah i dnt wanna go".

u guys dont realise how stupid it is to not send a player to play sc for GBR...yes..we are not koreans, no we probably wont win.. but at least we can prove that we are still here still playing and still know a thing or 2!

there MUST be 1 slot for sc or i can see lots of protests :p.

[ChrisyBullard]

In fact the UK aren´t that much of a mess at WCG

But it really depends on the individuals in whatever coutries. oday i am at European World Cyber games....which is almost like the same thing anyway as WCG as europe is so strong.

We have our 1st medal in 4 years lol. Our DOA player is in the Final today so thats a good thing. Im playing Fifa and got knocked out of the winners bracket very closely by my clan mate who found himself winning the winners bracket final yesterday and will play the grand final today.....and i think if i remain improving at this level i could have a decent chance this coming year at Fifa........maybe a few more fifa players will rise up, last year was a bit embarassing to win, being the only "pro" in the tourney so to speak.

PGR again i think will be good this coming year, with 2 strong ttR players

Be nice to see other games like SC etc....basically having a bigger squad than the one last year and i think this year will be better!

[ApolloUK]

I do hope we send a cnc3 squad.

[iG Jammy B]

GoW for WCG Is 3v3, a team of 3 will be sent.

It's 4v4, originally 3v3.

[ToT)MidiaN(]

my point exactly, sc in the U.K is so bad they never botherd with entering and the one time they did in 05 I believe the britsh hope Jamie aka midian played respectfully but ulitmatly got slaughtered. Why you think he wont go again even if it is entered by U.K? he knows as does everyone else noone can compete with the koreans just a waste of time really.

Why I won't go? I already said I would go if there is a WCG. And I didn't get "slaughtered", I lost a Zerg vs Terran vs an eventual top 8 player on an incredibly Terran favoured map (Estrella). I lost a Zerg vs Zerg vs the eventual 4th place finisher on stage match, I played horribly and did get kinda slaughtered in that game, but I could definitely beat that guy 50%~ or so I believe if I was playing my best. The other game I lost was Zerg vs Zerg on Azalea (biggest luckfest ever). I won 4 other games, and was joint 3rd in the group of 8. I don't think I got slaughtered, despite the fact I played much below my potential... With a better map draw and some sleep beforehand I think I could have easily advanced from the group (Infact in online polls I was 2nd favourite to advance from the group).

This year the luck factor won't be as big because they are replacing the maps with those which are voted for by the public, and should thus be much more balanced maps. And whether any UK player is capable of winning a medal or not is pretty much irrelevant, because there's nobody capable of winning a medal in any of the other games either.

And skills aside for a minute, clearly StarCraft has the biggest demand - just look at this thread already. It's pretty obvious there would be a reasonably large get together of players if there was a StarCraft event. I'm not so sure that can be said for other games (I'm not particularly familiar with the communities of any of the other games).


Another point that was made earlier, about why there's only been 2 starcraft events before; well I don't think for one moment that it's because a lack of skill/depth in the UK StarCraft scene (infact, back in 2001/2002 ish TillerMaN was a pretty good player, one of the best Europeans back then, and I have been one of the best Europeans since 2003 or so). I think it has to do with the fact that StarCraft is old and ugly. It doesn't showcase the newer hardware, so would be hardware company sponsors would have nothing to gain by displaying StarCraft games.

[KwarK.cF-]

Well, I think the Starcraft community has made itself pretty heard, although I suppose we could root around gaming websites and get a few more UK guys to post. We've shown there is a strong community which wants the chance to prove itself at WCG. Not much more we can do really. You guys have seen us post here, you know there are enough of us to justify a slot (or 2), you know we're a well organised community. Tell us when you decide.

[bon]

All talk and no action that justs typical. Come over to age3 right now you want a week? Ill give you a month you still wont beat me. As to doing more apm's where has that actually got you???.. I mean we all know and its a fact that both on sc+wc the U.K gamers stink as compaired with the rest of the world. U.K age series player have always done respectfully at wcg whenever a age game has featued and currently we have afew players ranking top5 in the world on twc. Atleast they have a better chance of winning somthing rofl so who are you trying to kid?. And nemmy remember one thing its not all about which game is better or which requires more skill samsung U.K would prefer to spend money where there is a profit, why waste it where sc U.K has never produced one winning gamer seriously over the many years sc has featured at wcg how many times has a U.K player won or has come near to winning.?? wake up dude.


Well look at it like this. Uk's best zerg, ToT)Midian, or sMi.Midian, or Dream.T)midian, whatever aka, when active and committed to the game, is regarded as one of the top 3 zergs out side of korea. Want evidence? Head over to tl.net, where he has legions of fans. I am a midian fanboy, i love his playstyle. That being said, i can still look back from the picture, and recognise other players.However midian truly plays at a high european level.

Want more proof. he just 2-0 3D.androide no? and he placed.... hmm 2nd at wcg 2005, losing to fOru right?

If england is medal hungry, the closet you'll damn get is starcraft.

[Andy^]

Its about the competition, its about representing your country against other countries at any given game.
The game list was announced and that should be that really, people should be praticing their individual games rather than arguing with each other on here about wether or not a game should be given an extra slot. Anyone is capable of winning a game vs anyone, its all about circumstance. You could be obliterating your opponent in the final, be just about to send in the final attack, and then have a colossal nosebleed irl that stops you playing, things are random.

Who knows what can happen at the end of the day? The organisers could decide that there was a fantastic response to the SC tournament and decide to take an extra player anyway, who can say?

To argue that one game deserves another games' slot at WCG isn't really any of your business, you should be concentraiting on your practice & improving your overall gameplay ready for when the qualifers come around rather than wasting energy on this arguement!

-Andy :D

[ApolloUK]

^ Very good post.

[uC.psyCrowe]

how about we know for sure that we'r at least going to get a slot for brood war?

then we'l practice on our game....

what your basically saying is "**** off and leave this thread alone"

[Dentist]

Yup, thats what i think he said. Good idea too :)

[Axmainian]

Hmm, Well untill the UK announce which games they're playing I'll be beefing up on NFS: Carbon, and if not chosen I'll play my best FPS GoW.

I'm a 1st Year uni student, so I've gto plenty of time free XD

[Andy^]

how about we know for sure that we'r at least going to get a slot for brood war?

then we'l practice on our game....

what your basically saying is "**** off and leave this thread alone"

Actually what I was saying was "Stfu arguing" but maybe it didn't come out that way.

As I look at it, the games on the first page are the ones that have been chosen for global competition. So if there is interest (as there has been in this particular thread) then there should be a competition to work out who's the best overall player at any specific game.

What i'd be doing is keeping my eye on / around this thread to see when the national website goes live, i'd assume they'll have some form of signup system on there to show them what games need qualifiers for and where abouts they need to hold qualifiers.

-Andy :D

[Nemesis.cF-]

you should be concentraiting on your practice & improving your overall gameplay ready for when the qualifers come around rather than wasting energy on this arguement!

yea well we do that then go there and OMG they dont hold a tourney.. then what?

weve had 2 voice our opinions because they totally ignored us last year! people practised and wanted to represent the UK and compete then found out that there was no ****ing tourney!!

dunno about u but i dont wanna be practising all year to then find out that its all for nothing. and also they seemed rly bad at advertising it last year...


the reason we are here being such bastards to all other games is quite simply because were pissed off that just because we play an old game which dont need fancey grphx cards we get ignored, we dont get told.. no1 comes onto wgtour.com and tells the UK sc team about qualifiers or WCG, no1 emails anyone in the community, no1 cares about us just because of the game.. if this was a game with fancey graphics i bet samsung and multiplay would be all over us.


its a classic example of kill or be killed.

[ChrisyBullard]

So i take it their will be a big fun tourney at i30 that you guys are setting up???

If theirs that much interest then is that not something all the uk gamers that play SC can sort out?

And obviously is Samsung thought it was a waste of time, they wouldn't even include it in the WCG's period.

You guys have got to do something to prove that your game is very active, so do that at i30 or something. Im sure if Multiplay saw their is a big community, they would recomend that game being played!

[Nemesis.cF-]

unfortunately i30 is at the opposite end of the country from me... and i dont have the money or time to setup 1 for i30.. however i may attempt at setting some up at later i-series lans... i have already hosted my own SC lan..

and samsung didnt get to choose whats at WCG..they are just head sponsors not the company.. the company setup a vote on their website for the games which should be included.

they do however have more control over who is sent to represent the UK..

dont worry once the UK SC website gets up n running more events n stuff will follow :).

[uC.psyCrowe]

i hate the fact that all these LANS are always in south of england.... theres gamers here in scotland too

more lans in a central area pls thx -_-;

[Andy^]

Right well, looking around I found some lists of "official" games that have been played at WCG since 2000 and the only game that's stayed in there throughout has been SC:BW (and various FIFA games)

WCG Challenge:
Q3:Arena, FIFA2000, AoE2, StarCraft: Broodwar
WCG 2001:
AoE2: The Conquerors, CS, FIFA2001, SC:BW, UT, Q3:arena
WCG 2002:
AoE2:TC, CS, FIFA2002, SC:BW, UT, Q3:arena
WCG 2003:
Age of Mythology, FIFA2003, CS, SC:BW, UT2k3, wc3
WCG 2004:
CS: Condition Zero, FIFA2004, Need for Speed: Underground, SC:BW, UT2k4, wc3
WCG 2005:
CS:S, FIFA2005, Need for speed: Underground2, SC:BW, wc3:ft, WH40k: DoW
WCG 2006:
FIFA2006, CS1.6, Need for speed: Most Wanted, SC:BW, wc3:ft, DoW: Winter Assault.
So I don't think the "They don't hold a tourney because its got crap graphics" arguement holds up at all. As to why there was no qualifiers last year for SC:BW I have no idea why not, but then i'm not one of the organisers.
But I have to wonder, did you guys give the same attitude off last year as this time around?

Again though, i'll give the same advice: Keep your eyes peeled for when the website goes live & register your interest on there asap! Then they can at least see what sort of response they get towards certain games!

-Andy :D

[KwarK.cF-]

Last year we just assumed there would be a WCG for Starcraft given that on the polls for which games should be played at WCG Starcraft came second, behind warcraft. To clarify, more people voted for starcraft (which at the time was 8 years old) than any of these other games, bar warcraft. And yet there wasn't. This year we're taking no chances. SC again came second in the vote, again behind warcraft. The demand should have been obvious from that. Now there should be no issue. I'd say over half the posters here have been asking for Starcraft slots, not only is the Starcraft community the single biggest voice, it's also louder than every other community combined. To not represent us this year would be a gross injustice.

[Nemesis.cF-]

qualifiers is what i meant!! i know that sc has been in WCG ever since it started.. but not in the UK WCG... or the "qualifiers" -.-

[Devvy]

Andy: the UK has never taken any Starcraft players to the WCG, despite the game being played every year, which baffles me to be quite honest.

The UK has had a skilled selection of Starcraft players for as long as I've known, so it would be...frustrating if SC was ditched again from the UK.

[Elsi]

Andy: the UK has never taken any Starcraft players to the WCG, despite the game being played every year, which baffles me to be quite honest.

The UK has had a skilled selection of Starcraft players for as long as I've known, so it would be...frustrating if SC was ditched again from the UK.

2005, Singapore.

[Sciolist]

Same as WCG 2000, depressing!

We aren't a third would country!
WCGC was funny. Nobody knew anything at all about the competition, in any of the games. Sujoy from XSR rang them up to get some information about the FPS games, and that's how anyone knew anything about it at all.

I won the SC, and I only found out about the competition the night before - I only turned up because I was going anyway to report on the UT for XSR. The guy who came second was someone I rang that morning telling him to call in sick. The guys who came 3rd and 4th turned up to play Fifa.

I talked to the guy who organised PR, and he had a nice press book with cuttings from various papers etc. I let him know that it probably would've been a good idea to let the gamers know about the tournament as well...

The 2001 qualifier was almost cancelled as a result, so I ended up helping run it with the aim of making it pay for itself: We had no budget, so had to pay for flights with the entry fees. At least things are looking up now.

Also, I'd vote for SC on the basis that we won't be taken seriously by the Koreans unless we have a SC player. I doubt that Midian would be able to win the tournament, but he could at least get out of the groups and play a couple of matches afterwards. That's more than most countries can say.

We've had good AOE players in the past - I have no idea who plays AOE3, but I'd be very surprised if we didn't have some world class players, as we've always had so in the prior games. My main criterea for having a game in is that we have a shot at winning, my second is that there's a community for it - in that order.

We've also had several players at the top of the world in various C&C/RA incarnations, and it can't fail to be a popular game. It also has inbuilt esports functions, and will probably work well for spectators.

[Elsi]

Is that you Daishi?

Hi, btw.

[srs-Shad]

sc - wc3 - cs 100% yes

I also have to agree with 1 slot for SC and 1 slot for WC3 is better than 2 slots for wc3, even though I am a wc3 player.

[NightScr3aM]

hey is there any chance UK will do AoE3 twc? theres been as much as 3 uk guys in top 20 in a decent size ladder.

[techisoba]

WCG 2007..... whaaaaa

[Nemesis.cF-]

just saying.. hold a fifa tourney.. my bro got the game 3 weeks ago on his 360 and im not joking he is natrually ****ing amazing at it!! hes beaten people ranked in the top 100 like 3-0 and stuff after only 3 weeks.. and now hes training more since i told him about WCG... i swear im not even joking hes gosu! xD

also..include cnc3, i been training on it 8 hours a day for 3 days now and will continue to do so.. im training with danoli3 and skullknocker and other people who if u visit www.commandandconquer.com u will see are in the top 50 on the ladders :p.

but seriosly SC + Fifa = must!

them Germans can't win fifa again!

[NightScr3aM]

my cnc3 training partner will be _daut_ :)

[Nemesis.cF-]

im currently training with danoli3 skullknocker and afew others :) u up for a 1v1 just add my xfire or msn jaynemesis AT gmail.com msn and nemesiscf xfire :)

[PuReBall]

Ok ill go buy coh and play ONE matchup on ONE map, toss the coin see who gets allies?? CoH is ok, but is not as good as any cnc series games.


rofl thats funny, considering C&C is a noob fest of massing tanks, i dont even know if i'd go for the finals because the whole game is 100% luck of who masses enough tanks, wc3 for the win!

i think i'll come back this year :)

[AlbeL]

is the C&C3 format 2v2?

[ApolloUK]

Is the WCG cnc3 tournament going to be a 2v2 format... good question :D:D

Answer, no.

[OoE]Apollo

[Dogbertuk]

Coh was the best rts i have ever played but never was taken up by anything like wcg which sucked.

Im happy cnc3 has been picked cos it wont be the same old people winning it this time.

[therogue]

rofl thats funny, considering C&C is a noob fest of massing tanks, i dont even know if i'd go for the finals because the whole game is 100% luck of who masses enough tanks, wc3 for the win!

i think i'll come back this year :)

Pfft, real players use an exploit and win before it gets that far!

Tank spam isn't really luck though, you can only have as many tanks as your economy allows (admittedly its' a metric ****ton anyway), sensible micro of groups of tanks can turn battles that look like definite wins into full retreats (seen it happen in cup games), but yea, like any CnC tanks make up the majority of the game

/prays for patch 1.05

[ApolloUK]

Pfft, real players use an exploit and win before it gets that far!

Tank spam isn't really luck though, you can only have as many tanks as your economy allows (admittedly its' a metric ****ton anyway), sensible micro of groups of tanks can turn battles that look like definite wins into full retreats (seen it happen in cup games), but yea, like any CnC tanks make up the majority of the game

/prays for patch 1.05

Haha tourny organzier rogue? We met on irc...

You were @ i30.. so was I :p I was teh nerd that finished 2nd in the cnc3 2v2tournament.

[Dogbertuk]

Can i ask what the Quote was for?

[Nemesis.cF-]

might wanna check out Deadstar.cF- Nemesis.cF- and 12azor5harp.cF- on the c&c3 ladders ;) im pretty sure its 1 of us 3 that'l win.. were undefeated vs other uk players in 1vs1 so far..me and deadstar are both probably good enough to get into the top 50 in the ladder.. lotsa disc'rs n noob bashers at the top of the ladders atm.

and btw patch 1.05 is coming but it wont be doing much.. nerf scorps and mammy's, buff the nod late game units..

and check Cold-Fusion on the clan ladder ;) i believe we are top 20.. we will get top 10 if we play more clan games im sure.

[PuReBall]

we'll see that at Lan then because C&C as a esport is a joke and hopefully the patch will put some stratergy into it instead of Eco boom then mass :D

if that message was supposed to scare people you want to check some of the achievements of the other players ;) the ladder is nothing and you havent played "most of the Uk players" because i've never even hurd of you before.

Its just annoying to see so many UK RTS players come into the light when theres an easy game of tank spamming to be had. IMHO C&C has no place at WCG and if it was down to game balance/depth it wouldnt even be considered,

Let me give you an example, Athletes train for years for world tournaments, Like most Esports (counter strike, warcraft etc) C&C have 5 games on the ladder and your ready to compete at "high" level :/

esports are meant to be fun, how are they going to commentate on C&C at the finals ?

"oh my gosh this is getting so exciting! ... he built ANOTHER scorpion tank and is rallying them at the enemy base oh my god!"

i'm meant to be going to the quals for C&C but i'm honestly thinking of just getting back into warcraft iii and training because i know in that if you put more effort in practacing you will be rewarded, C&C you can practice 24 hours a day and still lose to some noob massing tanks.

[Nemesis.cF-]

i agree with u on about 80%.. the next patch is going 2 nerf the scorps and stuff.. but yea i agree the game is pretty easy 2 play.. and has a small learning curve for any good players.. im not trying 2 scare ppl.. just saying tht we should get a slot coz we got a chance to win i think.

I know sc, cs, wc3 etc take alot more time and skill because there is more strategy and more options.. and imo c&c3 shouldnt have been in wcg.. but it is in wcg so i guess were gonna have 2 play it.

and at a higher level tank spam wont win game i promise u :p. especially if 1.05 is a good patch.

[PuReBall]

sorry if that post sounded aggressive or arogant it doesent mean to be,

its just annoying to see such a poorley created game at WCG just because its got the name C&C, it was a mistake replacing dawn of war with it :/ atleast it had some depth and stratergy.

[ApolloUK]

The money got cnc3 into the WCG, the commentary @ i30 for the cnc3 final was basicallly "omg scrop, scrops rolling down and more scrops"

[iG ExPoZe]

If you want a gold medal in an event at the World finals then I strongly suggest you send a Gears of War team. I would also personally reccomend sending a Tony Hawks Project 8 player.

[PuReBall]

console games are a small part of WCG so no there shouldnt be more than 1 console game going from the UK if that. GOW requires 4 people NFS etc require 1 so the best idea would be to send NFS or FIFA.

Save the funding for the big games like CS/Warcraft 3 Starcraft.

Its easy enough you new C&C guys or GOW saying you'l get a gold medal but when you actualy get to the event the playing conditions are alot different nerves etc kick in, we need experienced players.

[Nemesis.cF-]

anyone know when/where the event is gonna be yet?

i think nfs certainly isnt worth sending a player for.. and i think GoW and other games need abit of proof about how good the players are compared to the rest of the world before sending people.. 1 thing we dont want is to send players who will just get obliterated.

[ProfLiebstrom]

anyone know when/where the event is gonna be yet?



I'd imagine it will be at i31.

The grand final in seattle is in october. The only i-series between now and then is i31.

[Nemesis.cF-]

ok, where is i31 gonna be? its at a race track somewhere up north isn't it?

>_< gonna be annoying to get to.

[ProfLiebstrom]

Newbury, Berkshire. That's west of london.

[ApolloUK]

Its i31, same place as i30 :P

[Wizzo]

List of games and additional FAQ questions have gone up on the thread @ http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48230

There will be an online qualifier for all PC games and also an XBOX Live organised online qualifier for GoW. We're working on regional qualifiers, which may be the shopping mall tour again. The final qualifier and then national finals will be at i31 in August.

[iG ExPoZe]

console games are a small part of WCG so no there shouldnt be more than 1 console game going from the UK if that. GOW requires 4 people NFS etc require 1 so the best idea would be to send NFS or FIFA.

Save the funding for the big games like CS/Warcraft 3 Starcraft.

Its easy enough you new C&C guys or GOW saying you'l get a gold medal but when you actualy get to the event the playing conditions are alot different nerves etc kick in, we need experienced players.

I and the rest of my team have all been to LAN events before thanks so dont worry about that.

My team has been around on consoles for about 3 years in one form or another with alot of our players having played for 5 or so years so please don't talk to me about experience.

Also we have previously beaten the most succesfull LAN Team of the USA so we at the very very minimum stand a chance.

Im not being cocky or anything I just know what I'm talking about.

[iG ExPoZe]

anyone know when/where the event is gonna be yet?

i think nfs certainly isnt worth sending a player for.. and i think GoW and other games need abit of proof about how good the players are compared to the rest of the world before sending people.. 1 thing we dont want is to send players who will just get obliterated.

It's hard to gain solid evidence because competing cross-continent on GoW is ridiculously hard. However if its of any importance we beat the most successful USA LAN Team on their own host which is a massive achievement if you know how GoW works.

Basically our country is the best in Europe at Gears of War, we've beaten the best German, Swedish, Dutch etc. Teams and the only teams im worried about will be from the USA & Canada.

Also our team has plans on attending WSVG Dallas for Gears of War on July 5-8th so maybe we could prove ourselves there?

[PuReBall]

i'm not talking about your local lan events i'm talking about world qualifiers, and what "best" USA team have you beat?

if your talking about gears of war then there are plenty of USA clans that are amazing that you probably havent played because 360 online is rather turd and a pain in the ass to organise games on.

[HamerD]

OK seriously all of you people please just think about this for one second. We all know that UK is an outsider nation at all properly skill-based games. The ONLY RTS game we have a chance of getting a medal in is aoe3 TWC.

Nightscream, the premier british player, is number 5 in the world atm...he has a legitimate chance of winning the tournament, and a definite chance of making last 16. Doesn't anyone realise we actually stand a chance here ><. Do it for Blighty :O

[Atos]

Get Nightscream to post here, and any and all other AoE3 players. Weight of numbers will certainly help your cause.

[KingDoM]

i know aoe3: twc has its faults but i think it would be silly to not send at least 1 person to represent the UK. we have a much greater chance of winning something than in a lot of other games...

check out elorating.com, a fan based rating ladder and you can see nightscr3am's credentials..

[Nemesis.cF-]

The ONLY RTS game we have a chance of getting a medal in is aoe3 TWC.


by the looks of it we got a good chance on cnc3 aswell.. lukee2g, apollo, me and deadstar are all top 200 in the world.. and i think probably all capable of top 50.. and luke apollo and deadstar could all make the top 10 i think.


personally i think the new patch will change the game alot and then we will see how good we rly are.. its gonna b alot more infantry and air based than before.. less tank spam... good news for my play-style.. good news for deadstar aswell since we are both high APM starcraft players (APM = Actions Per Minute, im about 130 deadstar is 200) and the game isnt gonna b about going

f10 f2 f2 f2 f2 f4 f4 f4 and queing 50 scorps in each fact...it'l b more based on harassing with rushes of differnt sorts...

but back on subject.. yea.. we got a good chance of winning a medal in cnc3.. and at the end of the day i think TWC is a low profile game at WCG lowest out of the RTS's im sure..

[ApolloUK]

I prefer to play clanwars.cc than the official ladder, I will start again in 1.5 with the seasons, but my highest rank on the ladder was 12 when I played it.

UK best players in cnc3 atm are PuReBall/No.1/Adrenal/[OoE]Leviathion, top of my head, sure they are more just played vs them.

[OoE]Apollo

[Shazz]

by the looks of it we got a good chance on cnc3 aswell.. lukee2g, apollo, me and deadstar are all top 200 in the world.. and i think probably all capable of top 50.. and luke apollo and deadstar could all make the top 10 i think.



cnc "ranking" means NOTHING, i've beaten people ranked a good few thousand above me, with ease.

and believe me, there are LOTS of uk players out there who are potentially better than you, they just use lots of fake accounts ;)

[Predat0r]

Bah, to the hells with this silly RTS banter.


Gimme my online Billiards tournament.

[PuReBall]

what channel do the UK Starcraft guys hang out in now? i've started playing it again ;p

does nur0s/any of the TLS guys still play ? (this is going 5+ years back!)

[Elsi]

Hi Ball, it's me CreaM hihi!

nurOs and Keylek have quit, went to UNI and never came back, we usually play on the european server, brood war GBR-1 or op m-b!

If you wanna play some, msg me, thebOy[MB] or add me on msn~~~

iwan.ellis@gmail.com

Some TLS play, not much! No Stone, Dog, Rip etc

[TW Phaz]

A GoW team has a very good chance of coming away with a top place in Seattle.

The lag on any console game inhibits people's chances to perform against the top clans usually, but since iG beat vBi, a top American clan, OFF host, indicates a very good chance of success.

[PuReBall]

where can we find this IG clan? our team wants to play them -_-

[TW Phaz]

Which clan are you in on GoW?

[Zaccubus]

Tony Hawks Project 8 :D w00t 1 of my fav game ever ! gl multiplay

[ApolloUK]

Hi Golden Locks

[NightScr3aM]

The AOE3 discussion was over ages ago. Now is not the time to drag it back up again.

-.- it was more like, 'lets send for games we think we can win, lets not send a game where theres up to 4 british guys in the top 20 at a time'

[K]

Unfortunately this is claimed for each game that is not included. We try our best to get as many games are included each year but ultimately its not our decision. With the large increase in games this year something had to give :(

[NightScr3aM]

i can understand that but theres a lot of games picked this year that surely britain hasnt done well in every years its picked them? coulda given one of the new games (aoe3) at least a chance this year :S