Noob needs help! [Archive] - Multiplay UK Forums

Adrena1in

17th March 2007, 18:20

Hi there,

Just recently bought original UT again and decided that, now I'm on Broadband, I'd give on-line gaming a go. Brought up a list of servers, Multiplay ones looked the most welcoming, ping in the region of 30 to 40 ms, (which compared to what I used to get on Dial Up seemed really quick), yet when I join a game I'm moving around about ten times slower than normal...yet others in the game, perhaps with larger pings than me, seem to moving around fine.

I'm sure it's my ISP, but I can't quite understand why a relatively small ping should cause this slow down. My connection's only around 512k download, 256k upload, so is this just not up to the task?

Thanks,
Tim.

[CoW]J-Raw

17th March 2007, 18:59

Have you set it in the options tab to what type of connection you have (dunno if that actually makes a difference... ;) )

Adrena1in

17th March 2007, 19:42

It wouldn't let me connect until I'd set it in the options. Pilyrei (sp?) gave me his connection details to connect dorectly, and it was still really slow, which he said meant it would be my connection.

Oh well.

(It's weird though, on Dial-Up (>250ms ping) motion around levels in games was fine...it was the opponents jumping about which were where the lag showed. This is totally different on Broadband, and actually even less playable. :redface:

Visine

17th March 2007, 20:05

Check that UT has detected your processor speed correctly.

It can happen if you are useing a laptop with the old intel with spedstep.

You could then modify your exe to suit.

Vis

Adrena1in

17th March 2007, 22:37

:redface:

I think it might have been the Network setting actually. Had chosen ISDN, but chose the next option and it's better.

:redface:

Visine

17th March 2007, 22:53

Cool

Got the correct netspeed now:spin2:

Vis

[CoW]J-Raw

18th March 2007, 11:08

Glad its sorted :as-spin:

If you aint seen openGL (http://cwdohnal.home.mindspring.com/utglr/) you may wanna check it - to enhance the graphics

Adrena1in

19th March 2007, 11:28

My GFX card doesn't work with OpenGL, and anyway, graphics aren't important to me...it's all about gameplay, (which is probably why I still like original UT more than any other game). Even so, Software Rendering runs at 1024x768 at more frames per secong than I can keep up with, so I'm happy. (When I first start UT it seems like the FPSs aren't limited, and it's running at 2 or 3 times speed. I have to go to Preferences, click Change, then go through the Setup and restart it to slow it down!)

Just need to build up my list of Favourite Servers now. Already added the Multiplay ones, as there are a couple for Noobs, and I stumbled on a good one last night...will keep me going a while. :roller:

Adrena1in

5th April 2007, 10:04

Okay, needing a bit more guidance please...

Decided to try starting my own server last night, so that me and a friend could head-to-head DeathMatch for a bit. Everything was fine really, until the game ended. My system would automatically start a new level, and I think my friend would get kicked, and would have to join again manually. Is this meant to happen? Is there a way for me to have that Voting thing, where players vote for the next level, and it gives you a minute to sort it out?

Also, I've played some on-line levels which I really like, which are non-standard levels...is there a way I could start a game with one of those, so that my friend can join in, because it only seemed to allow me to start games on the standard levels.

Thanks in advance.

[CoW]J-Raw

5th April 2007, 12:34

Hi again

If your talking a temporary server then you can go to start > new multiplayer and select the map list/mutators etc. MapVote is one you'll need to vote maps. [ link (http://ut-files.com/Mapvotes/) ]

Don't know why your friend gets kicked.

To get custom maps into your Maps folder you'll need cache cleaner (http://ut-files.com/Utilities/UTCacheCleaner3.rar).
Downloads will probaly be reallllly slow tho if there coming from your PC, so I'd send them to your friend via e-mail/MSN or something first.

Adrena1in

5th April 2007, 12:49

You're a star, many thanks. :spinface:

Errrr, which MapVote file though? There are lots and I'm not sure which I'd need. I just have version 436, GOTY edition, if that makes any diff.

Adrena1in

23rd April 2007, 14:19

Time for another question:

Looks like things for me might be looking up a bit for me. If I don't start my own server to dual with a mate, we go onto the "Low Skill Players Only" MP Servers. We were happily playing the other night when a message popped up about me being too good. Wasn't quite sure as I didn't get to read it all, and I couldn't tell if it was a third player who was telling me to go away, so I ignored it, as I wasn't leading the match. About 5 seconds later my connection dropped.

Popped back in and had more time to read the message, which mentioned the words "last warning" and "banned", so I disconnected.

What is it that controls the skill-level of a player, which the servers use to determine if someone is too good for a Noob server? It's just that after one or two games on various other servers, (including some absolute trouncings on Deck16 only, where I'd be lucky to get 2 or 3 kills before the winners were hitting 40!), I was then able to get back onto a Noob server. I assume it's some sort of kill/deaths ratio? Is it the ngWorldStats thing, as I'm not sure what that is.

P.S. Thanks to Wampyr for being a friendly player, and showing me some secrets on a level. Don't often see people like that in games. :)

Island Guy

23rd April 2007, 15:06

hello Adrena1in

You are well beyond the skill level of the newbie server Public DM #1 (Low Skill Players Only) Public 85.236.100.43:8377 . This server is for novice players only that are new to the game . Players that do not know the maps or how to dodge and shoot yet , use this server as a training server to learn about the game . You are more then skilled enough to play the open skilled servers. Now if you feel your not ready for that step then play the intermediate skilled server here Public DM/CTF #1 (Low Skill Players Only) Public 85.236.100.43:8277 . Just remember it is a low skill server also but for players not yet ready for open skilled servers and too good for newbie server .Now if you start finding it too easy please move up to a higher skilled server and leave it to the low skilled players . I have seen you play on the DM2 server which is an open skilled server and you were doing fine . So if you ask me you need to spend a little more time on the open skilled servers to improve your game . This will not happen playing against lesser skilled players . So please stick to the intermediate server Public DM/CTF #1 (Low Skill Players Only) Public 85.236.100.43:8277 or the Public DM #2 (Popular Maps) Public 85.236.100.100:27808 which are more your skill level . You have received past warnings regarding this and have totally ignored them . the day in question you and your friend were running huge FPH frags per hour well into the 200+ range . Lots of rampages and a few Dominating scores . A lot of the time you have been on the newbie server alone and this is why not much has been said i guess . I'm really surprised this has not been brought too your attention before this . Anyway please refrain from playing on the Newbie server in the future you are too skilled for that server .

Hope this answers your question

Island Guy = Server Admin

Batty

23rd April 2007, 15:07

:) If you want to duel with your mate you can always go onto the DM 1v1 server too.

The DMCTF3 server (Crap n Ghey maps) is a good place to go to increase your experience - more a fun server than the open CTF or DM servers.

Have fun :keke:

Adrena1in

24th April 2007, 07:18

You have received past warnings regarding this and have totally ignored them.Don't worry, I'm not complaining. I do still consider myself to be a bit of a Noob, and even though I can easily hold my own against "Experienced" BOTs, I've only come across two or three human opponents who I consider myself better than. But yes, I have the basics down and wouldn't want to irritate those who are completely new, so I'll stay off those servers...that's fine.

However, I apologise if you think I've "totally ignored" any warnings, because I've only actually seen one, just after I got booted, and the one before I got booted I didn't quite have time to read. As soon as I read the full message I left immediately. I'm just not used to seeing important messages at the top of the screen when I'm in the midst of the action! ;)

:) If you want to duel with your mate you can always go onto the DM 1v1 server too.If we want some 1-v-1 I tend to just start a server myself. Depends if we want to play new maps and stuff. :) As for CTF, I tend to not like that quite as much, but I do like trying new things. Popped into a very weird "Beer" map the other day, with people flying around on rockets and stuff! Bizarre. :D

[TrufF]Lazarus

24th April 2007, 08:11

Don't worry, I'm not complaining. I do still consider myself to be a bit of a Noob, and even though I can easily hold my own against "Experienced" BOTs, I've only come across two or three human opponents who I consider myself better than. But yes, I have the basics down and wouldn't want to irritate those who are completely new, so I'll stay off those servers...that's fine.

However, I apologise if you think I've "totally ignored" any warnings, because I've only actually seen one, just after I got booted, and the one before I got booted I didn't quite have time to read. As soon as I read the full message I left immediately. I'm just not used to seeing important messages at the top of the screen when I'm in the midst of the action! ;)

Popped into a very weird "Beer" map the other day, with people flying around on rockets and stuff! Bizarre. :D

Welcome to the world of UT m8 :D:
Your post looks very like my 1st post on the TrufF servers over 2 years ago ( though im still not very good) Regarding the Beer Map im sure you will get to love it in time as that is one off the fun type maps Batty was on about I think,.
Once you learn to fly that is :v
And dont forget only take 1 Rocket (Stranglove) at a time.
I hope to see / Frag you on the servers soon, You cant miss me I tend to be the one who die's the most :(:

[CoW]J-Raw

24th April 2007, 10:49

You'll get use to it Adrenaline - we did play the other day when you was trying open CTF, keep trying and you pick up new things, better playinmg harder players as it helps you improve in the end.

Laz is a hardcore fragger now - he's the one dominationg at 40 whilst your in the 3's ;) and as for Batty sheesh dont go there. often mistaken as an aim bot lately!

P.s if you miss a message press the "Tab" key and it should open the console so you can read what you think you missed.

pwyzpk

24th April 2007, 12:47

if you think you are low skill, try the UT in-game Single Player Leader, you will learn a lot in that.
try a harder difficulty if you think the "Experienced" BOTs are no longer work for increasing your skill.
cannot guarantee it must help.....

Adrena1in

24th April 2007, 13:38

J-Raw;629382']P.s if you miss a message press the "Tab" key and it should open the console so you can read what you think you missed.
Thanks, that could be useful. I certainly pay more attention to the messages now, especially the white ones.

Played a few good games on DM2 the other evening, with Wampyr and _Flash and someone else, (plus a jerk who appeared with about 10 seconds to go, then kept kick-voting Wampyr, calling him a cheat. Pleb!) I wasn't winning most of those games by any stretch of the imagination, but at least I was holding my own. Not like "Deck16Only", where there are always a few "Aim-Humans" :p

Pileyrei

24th April 2007, 14:19

Ah,,,now whose Wampyr then ;)......

Adrena1in

24th April 2007, 14:24

Ah,,,now whose Wampyr then ;)......

Dunno, some cheat probably! :D:

Pileyrei

24th April 2007, 15:04

haha, she's gonna kill you for that :P

Batty

24th April 2007, 16:23

:) Wampyr - a cheat? Never!! :p

;-)

Adrena1in

25th April 2007, 07:36

haha, she's gonna kill you for that :P

Somehow I could tell she was female. ;)

Letylove49

25th April 2007, 09:42

Wampyr is not a Cheater!!!!!!

Wampyr n'est pas une Tricheuse!!!!!!

Adrena1in

25th April 2007, 09:47

Wampyr is not a Cheater!!!!!!I know, we're just joking! Hence the :D: and ;-) smileys.

;)

Mardyb

25th April 2007, 17:43

Another UT newbie.

I went on the Low Skilled Players Only and I was just playing against bots :roll: Then it asked me to install this thing so I'm not cheating then will I be playing against real people after this. Also how do you get the chat box up si it stayed there and you don't have to keep putting !open in the chat

Sorry for the confused Noob

M4rdyB

Batty

25th April 2007, 19:31

Regarding the thing you had to install, that's just routine, and you'll play real players if any others join the server ... otherwise it's bots I'm afraid, but often 1 real player on a server attracts others.

As for the chat box, make sure you have the 'show chat area' box ticked in >>Preferences >> Options >> HUD.

Have fun :D

Mardyb

27th April 2007, 19:33

Another thing is the Display doesn't show up when i start the game anymore. Its just sound and i can hear myself moving the mouse to the menus just can't see the display.

I can still play by running in safe mode and pressing 'enable sound' but this is a bit awkward because i have to open the game, crash it on purpose then run it in safe mode next time.

Anything i can do to get the display working. Its not the monitor as i can see my desktop as i minimise :)

Thanks

M4rdyB

assrat

28th April 2007, 19:18

Maybe you miconfigured your video settings?

Run unrealtournament.exe with the parameter -safe and then change your 3D video device.

zhardoum

28th April 2007, 20:33

@Island Guy, well played for taking the time to explain to a player his failings and yet without much ado go on to advise him how to better his game for the benefit of all :woop: in a concise and easy to follow manner.

Well played to you and I should add, if other admins in other servers all over the world took the time and effort you did, the gaming worlds would be a whole lot better for it.

**BIG APPLAUSE**

Adrena1in

9th May 2007, 12:39

...go on to advise him how to better his game...I just wish I could better my game!! :(: ;-)

[TrufF]Lazarus

10th May 2007, 17:53

This is what a Good admin is all about http://bestsmileys.com/clapping/1.gif

Well done Island Guy / LG :D:

Adrena1in

24th May 2007, 14:56

I have to agree that Admins are essential in a setup like Multiplay, because without them things would be awful. Players would be rude and nasty, would gang up on others, would flood the servers, and generally make things rubbish for decent, law-abiding players. So yes, I commend the Multiplay Admins for the hard work they do.

But what if I defy your request, and go back onto the Low Skill server, but play down to the level of my opponents, (if necessary), and help them out and stuff, and make it a good game. Will I still get banned? ;-)

Just curious, because I was on there last night for 20 or 30 minutes, having a GREAT game with first one, then two opponents who were easily as good as me. A mate of mine tried to join, but was kicked straight away, saying he was going against a ban. [TPB]M4rDyB is his name.

[TrufF]Lazarus

24th May 2007, 15:51

But what if I defy your request, and go back onto the Low Skill server, but play down to the level of my opponents, (if necessary), and help them out and stuff, and make it a good game. Will I still get banned? ;-)

[TPB]M4rDyB is his name.

I hope im not over stepping the mark here and Im not sure of the full ruleing on here but in the TrufF days the only way a non noob player ( and only the Admind decided if you were ok to do this) could play on the Nooby server was if they added the word Bait to there name ie: Lazerus-Bait and "acted as Bait/Target for the new players " ie: did not shoot back to hit the new player just fire near them for affect and spent the time showing the new payers round the maps and how to use weapon's etc.
And if some one came on who looked to good to play there we asked them nicely to move to the intermediat server or open servers.
And it that did not work we called for the Admin to sort it as it was not our place to start an argument etc.
Hope this helps.:)
Also if ever an Admin asked / Told us not to go on even as Bait we stayed off.
And regarding this "But what if I defy your request" I just would not go there m8 but if you ever do can we watch ;)

Mardyb

24th May 2007, 16:32

Hi,

Yea I don't know why I'm banned from that server as I am cr*p and have only been playing for about 2 weeks. Players on there last night were quite a bit more skilled then me and they were playing happily. But to not cause any more argument I'll stay off that particular server and 'try' and survive on the other ones even though they have about 20 frags to my 1 :redface:.

I have all respect that the admins are doing there job properly and would like to say that I'm, not trying to criticise what they do and how they do it.

Visine

24th May 2007, 18:23

1, Baiting is not allowed on MPUK servers. Its been covered in another thread by i think IslandGuy.

2, You never play down to a level unless you showing some around on your own server. Just find the best players you can and try and beat them. Go spectate them to learn if you must.

3, My 2 pence:awecyl:

Vis

Island Guy

24th May 2007, 21:09

Mardyb and Adrena1in

Players that go to the NEW INEXPERIENCED PLAYER server to try teach new players ,should never and i mean NEVER be winning the game . They should not be getting Rampages or Dominating on the server . In this case you both were noticed doing just that on the Newbie server. Your not helping a player any to build up confidence in themselves or learn anything if your to busy beating them or Dominating the game . This has been a major problem in the past with players saying they want to bait on the low skill servers . Problem is they get bored and first thing they are getting rampages or Dominating on the server . So the practice of players allowed to act as Bait on low skill servers has been pretty much done away with completely. It's to bad really that it had to be like this but it was necessary to do it this way . It was tried with a few players being allowed the privilege to bait but had to be ended . Too many complaints of what's so special about them that they're allowed an why not me . Well the reason was they were Trusted players that had been around for a long time . This was not a good enough answer for some ,( you know, the ones who moan, oh it's not fair or oh I'll behave next time or just plainly would not follow the guidelines )so the option was allowed to end . Maybe next time if you have a friend you want to show something or try teach ,take them to the rookie server or contact an Admin and see if you can do it on the Newbie server. Still there should be No Rampages or Dominating or Winning of games at any of these times .

Island Guy

24th May 2007, 21:20

what if I defy your request. Trust me this is not a direction you wish to take .:):

Mardyb

24th May 2007, 21:55

Island Guy

24th May 2007, 22:22

Thanks for the response and I assure you I won't be on there/try to connect again. Are Me and Adren still eligible for the DM/CTF (Low Skilled Players Only) server? No problems with connecting to this one so I assume it will be alright as this is an intermediate server, and we both would fall into that category.

Thanks for your time as Admin :)

Yes you both are welcome to play the intermediate skilled server . This server is much more suited to both your skill levels for now . I suggest you do make an effort to try the DM2 server or some of the others on a regular basis . Playing higher skilled players will give you a chance to learn more skills and much more satisfaction when you win against them :): .

MrDeity

25th May 2007, 04:42

^Bumps for awesomeness. Good work to the folks involved, I like seeing the rare issues being mottled out like this, :)

Adrena1in

25th May 2007, 08:14

Thanks for all the responses guys. Bizarre as it may sound, I would far rather be on a newbie server as bait for beginners, than getting thrashed by skilled players on other servers, but if that's not allowed then fine.

It's just a bit disheartening sometimes when I look at my three Favourite servers, and see that DM2 Popular Maps has extremely skilled players on it that I won't stand a chance against, DM/CTF Low Skill has no-one on it, and DM1 Low Skill has some people on it, because the latter would be my first choice.

Again, I'm not complaining, I fully understand the rules and regulations. I just want to get things all straight in my head. (And I won't defy the Admins...god forbid! ;) )

And Mardyb, you're not banned from that server because you're a beginner. You're too good for that server too when there are REAL beginners on there.

Adrena1in

19th June 2007, 20:41

Okay, now I've got another problem, so I'll post my issue here first.

So I downloaded all the MonsterHunt MODs the other day, to run some games from my PC. At first I only had the levels, so I was very limited with my ammo and health. So I grabbed all the other MODs from the link J-RAW posted earlier, (when he gave me the links to MapVote). Now, when I try and join a MonsterHunt game it errors with a "Type-Mismatch" or something. Not sure how to go about removing the MODs. Is there a simple way?

[CoW]J-Raw

19th June 2007, 20:57

Don't think there's a quick way remove all the files..

Best way is to take note of what file is giving you the mis-match then delete it from your unreal tournament/system folder & it will download the new one next time you connect.

there is normally 2 versions: file.u and file.int delete them both

Flash_

20th June 2007, 08:17

If you installed MH using a umod, you can uninstall it through Windows' Control-Panel -> Add/Remove software. Choose UT and it'll then prompt you whether to remove umod mods instead of the whole program.

Adrena1in

20th June 2007, 21:27

"Flash, Flash, I LOVE you! But we only have fourteen hours to save the Earth!"

Ahem, sorry...thanks Flash, I did check Control Panel, but only saw UT GOTY in there, and didn't realise clicking Add/Remove would allow me to uninstall certain components. I'll probably try and install them again another time and do what J-Raw suggested, so thanks guys.

Adrena1in

24th June 2007, 10:42

Though having remove MH I now can't even start a normal DM game...crashed and says "Monster Madness not found". Think I might need a re-install.

And I can't even join the Indiana Jones MH game at the moment..."Failed to send BLANK". :confused:

[CoW]J-Raw

24th June 2007, 11:44

Have you any idea what version you installed last time?

there is verion 503 here:
http://files.filefront.com/226+MonsterHunt503+Umod/;3940063;;/fileinfo.html

I don't play MH so I'm clueless on what version it's currently at lol

Flash_

24th June 2007, 17:12

Though having remove MH I now can't even start a normal DM game...crashed and says "Monster Madness not found". Think I might need a re-install.

Sounds like it's still partially installed, or at least - UT thinks it is.

Quick fix: Delete/rename/move Unrealtournament.ini and start UT again. It'll re-create the ini, although you may need to tweak global settings a tad (keybinds etc are stored in user.ini)

OR - just delete any line in unrealtournament.ini that references "Monster"

Adrena1in

25th June 2007, 07:07

J-Raw;645361']Have you any idea what version you installed last time?No idea, I just grabbed the files from the site which you gave me the link to when you were pointing me to the MapVote files.

I don't really have any special key-bindings except speech commands, so I'll try resetting my .ini file. Thanks.

P.S. MH is probably one of my favourite games at the moment, because it doesn't involve playing against ridiculously good human opponents! ;)