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RocketKnight
24th November 2006, 09:55
So it's only been out in the states for a few days but already they're busy taking it apart to find out how it works. A few of the most interesting finds are as follows:

1. Sensor Bar

The sensor bar is nothing more than an IR transmitter. The Wiimote is a receiver. The bar has several IR transmitters on either side, and the Wiimote uses the distance between them, the position of them, and (probably) the timing of them to help calculate your movement.

Proof you ask? These guys build their own Wii sensor bar using two remote controls they had in their house:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTGSkYRDpWY

So, if that's all it is, this means there's no data moving between the bar and the Wii. So couldn't you build your own sensor bar that runs off a battery, making it wireless? To the relief of home projector users, yes, you can!

http://doctabu.livejournal.com/64758.html

It's also interesting to note that PCs can pick up the Wiimote as a blue tooth device. If someone unlocks it and writes drivers, there's no reason it won't work on a PC with a wireless sensor bar.

2. Web browsing without Opera

It's genius really. A few people have been packet sniffing their Wii's wireless communications, and had a bright idea. Basically:

1. In your Wii DNS settings, point the primary server at your computer's IP address.
2. On your PC, install some freebie DNS server software, and then point "oss.shop.wii.com" to another web address, "google.com" for example.
3. On your Wii, launch the shopping channel. The Wii will browse to Google!

Video of the results: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2509fk1j8o

3. The inner-workings of the shop

It gets a bit iffy here. Some people have been playing with the code for fun, other people have used the code to host their own shop servers, the difference being they don't need any Wii Points to download the games. Will be interesting to see how Nintendo handle this one.

Anyway, if you want to see the Wii shop on your PC, do the following:

1. Install the Firefox User Agents extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/59/
2. Create a user agent called Wii: Opera/9.00 (Nintendo Wii; U; ; 1038-58; Wii Shop Channel/1.0; en)
3. Browse to the Wii shop after enabling that user agent: http://oss.shop.wii.com/oss/common/vc/W_01.jsp?language=en&region=USA&country=US

Now, from here you can browse all over it, check out the javascript, etc. Links won't work but if you manually follow the links the pages are there. The block that's been hit for now is that several important functions seem to be built into the Wii. But, as I said, there is enough code stored in open javascript files for people to spoof certain features. I have a few ideas of my own I want to try out but I'll have to wait until I get the unit to make any further progress. Still, it's interesting all the same.

*Tsunami*
24th November 2006, 10:02
Verwii interesting :)

Elbonio
24th November 2006, 11:41
nice :p

Jez_Gafys
29th November 2006, 09:02
After watching those videos more so the Google on the Wii, All I can hear and see is an advances version of Mario Paint for the Snes :D. The music and cursor and just ripped from it.


So what sort of price are these games going to cost, I notice they use a points scheme to purchase games anyone know what that in real money?

And I know its still early days for the Wii but are there just those six games available to buy atm?

Those 6 games are

F-Zero - SNES - 800 Points
Sonic 1 - MegaDrive - 800 Points
BomberMan93? - TurboGrafx16 - 600 Points
Mario64 - N64 - 1000 Points
SimCity - SNES - 800 Points
Zelda - NES - 500 Points

RocketKnight
29th November 2006, 09:34
2,000 points = £14.99

NES = 500 points / £3.75
TurboGrafx-16 = 600 points / £4.50
SNES = 800 points / £6
Megadrive = 800 points / £6
N64 = 1,000 points / £7.50

Sadly, Europe gets screwed over on prices again. On an (IGN I think?) podcast the Americans moan that they aren't getting Virtual Console games as cheap as Japan. Then they have a giggle and say it could be worse, the could live in Europe. :(

As for games available on launch day, it's way more than 6.

See here for details: http://www.meanmachinesmag.co.uk/wii/available_now.php

Rich
29th November 2006, 09:36
God sake, why cant America just invade us and we can become the 53rd state.

phil
29th November 2006, 10:03
The virtual console games are being released at a respectable rate, they're already up to 15 or so. I think they're a bit over-priced though - I reckon they should be about half the cost. Probably wouldn't stop me buying and playing golden axe again though :)

Jez_Gafys
29th November 2006, 10:39
I wonder if the console does any sort of checking to see if you did legally buy that game. If you have an SD card in the machine its going to save the files onto that, so I reckon it won't be long before people are able to just download images of these games, place them onto the SD card and just play them???

RocketKnight
29th November 2006, 10:51
Once you buy a game, that's forever in your Wii account. If you delete the game locally, you can re-download it as many times as you like. The game file (which contains an emulator as well) is linked to your console. We think the file you download from Nintendo's servers is a template, and the Wii injects its own unique identifier into the game once it has been downloaded. On inspection game files are identical from console to console apart from a few lines. This means that you can't play Virtual Console games from other peoples consoles.

You can make a back up of your own VC games though. If you move the VC game from the Wii onto an SD card, then move that onto PC, then move that back to SD card and back to the Wii, it will still work. So there's nothing funny going on there.

Rich
29th November 2006, 10:55
So somone just needs to find a way to bin those extra lines so it looks like its a newly downloaded game to the Wii? Which will then be set up to run on your system when you run it? (Maybe :P)

Elbonio
29th November 2006, 10:56
or downloading the templates stright to a PC / SD card without the Wii ever putting the lines in in the first place

RocketKnight
29th November 2006, 10:58
Possibly. It's also possible your Wii code is injected on Nintendo's side of things, but I think that's less likely.

Still, if the Wii checks your account permissions before running a game, running a hacked VC game wouldn't work. It might have your Wii code in it, but if your account says you didn't buy it then it won't play.

Elbonio
29th November 2006, 11:02
He talks sense.


I'm not too sure about £6 for SNES games... should be more like £3-4 imo.

Jez_Gafys
29th November 2006, 11:15
On Wikipedia it shows the prices for 100 Wii Points in EUR Equivalant so its easier to see which country is getting ripped off the most ....

United States €0.78
Canada €0.82
Japan €0.66
Australia €0.90
Eurozone €1.00
United Kingdom €1.11

Weirdly in Japan Snes Games are 900 Points (100 more then the rest of the world) and Megadrive ate 600 (200 less)

Typical!!!

He talks sense.


I'm not too sure about £6 for SNES games... should be more like £3-4 imo.

Lol you could probs buy a SNES console and every game ever made for not much more :D

Strych
29th November 2006, 12:01
Random point re: first post.

Response to the wii sensor bar vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IPxsJ8umXg&watch_response

Watch it. It is actually SO FUNNY.

Jez_Gafys
29th November 2006, 12:34
lol "you know" that made me smile

GreyDeath
29th November 2006, 15:09
Old Gamecube tools SDloader and Freeloader work on the Wii.

Those in the know will know that it means no Wii points necessery.

Elbonio
29th November 2006, 16:47
Random point re: first post.

Response to the wii sensor bar vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IPxsJ8umXg&watch_response

Watch it. It is actually SO FUNNY.

Its slightly amusing but only because hes an idiot and is actually talking crap.

Why did he do it? So that we can have wireless sensor bars.

Why isnt he putting this "knowledge" of his to some better use? Like what?

And last of all i think it was you who is giving the diatribe mr random american moron. So he uploaded a video about cracking the nintendo wii sensor bar - you watch this video called "Nintendo Wii Sensor Bar Demystified" and you are disappointed when its contents are... the demystification of the Ninetndo Wii Sensor Bar...?


If I had a video blog that guy would get it so bad :p

:rolleyes:

Hg
29th November 2006, 16:53
these are very good, nice to see how the wii remote and sensor bar work

Strych
29th November 2006, 17:35
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And last of all i think it was you who is giving the diatribe mr random american moron.

Watch the last 2 seconds of the video again......

Jez_Gafys
30th November 2006, 06:27
I just want my wii now, looking through youtube there are a few 4-5 minutte videos of ppl and companies showing of the new wiis they have got... im so jealous


Best game ever will be on the virtual console: Toe Jam & Earl :D. Suprised there are no flagship snes games out first like the whole donkey kong range, mariokart etc

Elbonio
30th November 2006, 12:44
Watch the last 2 seconds of the video again......

I stopped it before the end as it was dull

[CoW]J-Raw
30th November 2006, 14:21
Haha tearing them to bits already. Looks like some good stuff might be happening with the Wii then :P

lol @ the grumbling old man.. you know..