Fastcap bug exploit

[Batty]

There is a bug on the strangelove server involving Fastcap which some people have been exploiting to capture the flag in, at most, 1 second. Records can be as little as 0.04s.

Exploiting known map bugs etc. is considered a cheat and will be treated as such. The records set by means of this exploit have been adjusted accordingly.

The players found to have abused the system only once will now serve a 1 month ban from today:

feyd28 81.154.94.190

[CoW]aklakan 88.73.251.59

[CoW]Sambob 82.5.194.101

Shades aka various nicks 62.163.15.76



The following people used the bug on several occasions and 1 was seen teaching others how to exploit it. They will all serve a 2-month ban:

Ur_Sister 212.204.168.173

SeXOnLeGs 195.137.63.36

Warlord 195.137.63.36

The situation will be monitored and anyone found exploiting the bug will serve a 1 month ban if it the first time they have done so, anyone found to be repeating the offence will serve a longer ban.

[Warlord]

According to other strangelove servers this is not considered as a cheat. Also you cannot label this as a bug but you can however consider it as a old school trick (because it's old lol).

Now you banned the following names without warnings that if they were to 'Abuse' the system they would be banned. It is un-helpful for the following names to be banned because they had broke the old records. Instead why don't you pose a warning rather than a immediate ban. Also i've noticed how other admins on servers said this trick cannot be disabled unless the translocator is disabled. So i dont see your point more people on that list know how to do it than just us. I dont see why you just banned us rather than the whole server cause everyone knows this trick lol....:devil:

So duss as far as i'm concerned i first done this trick long time ago on your server and you didnt tell me that this trick is not allowed, although it would have been helpful for you to stick a messege up saying this trick is not allowed cause many others on this server know about it already and have done it many times more than me

[Dussander]

It's obviously cheating and I don't care what other SLV servers said otherwise. The MPUK Unreal admins get the final say on their SLV server. Cheaters don't need warning, they get removed immediately.

[Warlord]

It's obviously cheating and I don't care what other SLV servers said otherwise. The MPUK Unreal admins get the final say on their SLV server. Cheaters don't need warning, they get removed immediately.

but there isn't any hiden DLLs, etc that are used for 'cheats'. It's a simple trick using your tools you can say. Now i would have found it VERY helpful indeed like you use to say when you come online for me not to do it again. Even tho last time i did this was a week ago, and it cannot be done during many players online.

Edit: Theres a difference between a cheater who aimbots and someone who doesn't have cheats but does tricks in UT. So refering to cheaters get banned immediately you should define the difference between the two before you had your last say. Even the old Truff admins knew about this and allowed it..

[Dussander]

Yes there is a difference: aimbotters get banned and stay banned (unless they have shown a level of remorse), map-mod-game bug abusers get temporary bans. :devil:

"Even the old Truff admins knew about this and allowed it.." I never saw a single thread on that in the old admin forum so you're just assuming.

[Warlord]

Yes there is a difference: aimbotters get banned and stay banned (unless they have shown a level of remorse), map-mod-game bug abusers get temporary bans. :devil:

"Even the old Truff admins knew about this and allowed it.." I never saw a single thread on that in the old admin forum so you're just assuming.

Don't see the point in banning just me and 3 others why don't you go online in mornings and you will be amazed how many people acctually know and do this trick for 'fun'.

Also i use to do this on Truff many times why couldnt you banned me then?

[Batty]

I too cannot recall any post in the Truff Admin forums saying any particular bug was fair game.

If you recall, 1 of the Truff server rules was along the lines of:

you will not abuse map bugs ....

accept the fact that you have been caught taking unfair advantage by exploiting a bug, serve your ban and come back next month and enjoy the game.

[aklakan]

uh... there must be something DEFINITELY wrong here.

this ban list occured TODAY - but the last time i used the exploit was AT LEAST 2-3 WEEKS AGO! (i haven't played this game for 2-3 weeks, and i would also guess that i haven't used the exploit immediatly before takeing a pause of this game - so for the last few games i played back then i wasn't exploiting and banned either).

so yesterday i played this game - and everything was fine.
and today i join and it kicks me for misbehaving???
i DEFINITELY haven't used the exploit yesterday!

so i would appreciate if you could tell me the day and maybe even the time i was caught using the exploit...

confused greets
aklakan

[Warlord]

I too cannot recall any post in the Truff Admin forums saying any particular bug was fair game.

If you recall, 1 of the Truff server rules was along the lines of:

you will not abuse map bugs ....

accept the fact that you have been caught taking unfair advantage by exploiting a bug, serve your ban and come back next month and enjoy the game.

regarding the truff forums no. During gameplay when admins were online on serveral occasions yes i been seen doing this 'bug' which you talk of.

Nothing rare fair-play is domenstrating new tactics which can be done ingame. Also if you think thats a bug, there are many more tricks like these which i know of and are nothing new when i done them in DM servers. I teached and demonstrated some more bugs online nothing rare to me and i do not however classify or catagorize this trick as a cheat.

Too busy with university in the comming month. Anyway if the ban reachs a month or more i can't be arsed to come back. Cu all and whoever reads this don't get caught by admins of you doing this trick....

[aklakan]

since i'm not aware of any guilt - and i can't even connect to the server long enough to call admin - i would REALLY appreciate it if some admin would reply here soon.

[Dentist]

since i'm not aware of any guilt
but the last time i used the exploit was AT LEAST 2-3 WEEKS AGO!

Theres your guilt.

[aklakan]

so why does the banlist come out TODAY then?

edit: and why could i play yesterday?

edit2:
i hope you know you shouldn't be blaming ppl for things they did, BEFORE the rules (and punishments) were made.
of course you CAN do that, but then i have serious concerns about the admins competence.

[aklakan]

since im trying to connect to the slv-server again, and try to grab an admin:

WHEN did i use the exploit so that i got the ban for it?

[Dentist]

I'm not an admin of any sort for UT servers, but you exploited a bug, and got banned for it. They dont have to give you a warning if they dont want to. The rule wasnt made today either.

[aklakan]

>> The rule wasnt made today either.
which rule?
"dont abuse map bugs?"

[aklakan]

!!! oh i haven't even read the last part of that line:
>> The players found to have abused the system only once will now serve a 1 month ban from today:

WTF...? from today??? so im really accused of exploiting recently (yesteray)? huh?

[shred_dog]

LOL. Im laughing as I read this. Seen this performed MANY times, mostly in fun when there's 3 people on. It can't really be accomplished in a heated game with 6v6.

That being said, I remember a TrufF post about cheat timers, the definition of which included using a clock next to your puter for the sole purpose of timing power-up regens, or having a spectator tell a player when a power-up has regen'ed. My point? Cheats DON'T have to be hacks or mods.

Ak and Warlord, I've played against/with you a lot on Uber. You're good players, but Duss/Batty are right... it's up to Multiplay to decide what a cheat is, and it's up to them to define what a 'map bug' is. Semantics don't matter. I personally can't pull this 'trick' off, even after being taught by many, but I can fly the hell out of an SLv rocket. Is it fair that I can't have a record because I'm fat-fingering my mouse? Just cos I ham-hand all the keys and drop the flag when I try?

Is it possible the list was culled from current record holders? mebbie?

Don't stay away, Ak and Warlord. I like sniping your heads off. :o)

[aklakan]

>> it's up to Multiplay to decide what a cheat is.

i have no problem with that. but admins should then at least give a warning. if i had known that this results in a ban, i wouldnt have done it...

so whats the point of banning (rather) regular players (i like that server), who wouldnt have exploited the bug if they had known better?
i mean if i dont care about which server i play on, i would join with an aimbot as often as i could, and once im banned id move to the next server...
so someone like that wouldn't mind the ban anyway

[aklakan]

>> Is it fair that I can't have a record because I'm fat-fingering my mouse?

is it fair that jimmy aims faster and better than me?
is it fair that some ppl get a record because a friendly or enemy player gives them a rocket /shockrifle boost?

this is nothing about fairness - its simply about not using a harmless exploit.

edit: unless you get paid money for having a record, maybe than it turns into un-fairness.

[Warlord]

batty close this topic. End the convo i dont like people talking about me on other servers please. My profile is more expensive than being banned and alakan if you think this server is being harsh go to Pure server they won't mind this trick is old to them or Snipermania i'm always there hehe :icon15:

[Batty]

i have no problem with that. but admins should then at least give a warning. if i had known that this results in a ban, i wouldnt have done it...

so whats the point of banning (rather) regular players (i like that server), who wouldnt have exploited the bug if they had known better?


It's nothing personal Aklakan, believe me .... but when we find a bug has been exploited we have to act .... we can't warn people before they do something .... only act once they've done it.

On joining the Truff servers a short list of rules was shown, but the number of players who cleared the screen without ever reading them, and then pleaded they didn't know the rules existed was ridiculous. Obviously a longer list of things to avoid would never be read by the vast majority of players.

I'm sorry that you've fallen foul of this but I hope you come back after the month is up and enjoy the game, (like I said before to Warlord). In the meantime you are more than welcome on the other servers. :)

[aklakan]

and still a 1 month ban doesnt seem right for using a harmless exploit, which only effect is, that the record-time becomes meaningless, which is meaningless to game-play anyway.
(as i said: it can also be "cheated" when someone gives the flag carries a constant boost with the shock rifle, or the rocket launcher, or another slv, or the impact hammer, etc - of course that doesnt create times less than one sec :) )
also this "exploit" can also be used to pick up any item literally "on the fly" (you can also telefrag players with it, but its nearly impossible though (ok, now that i have said that, i gues, some players who don't know that "exploit" can already think of how it works). so is it also an exploit, when i pick up a shock rifle with it? or is it a strategic element in that case?

also, is it forbidden to (headshot-)spankill bots in early morning when noone is online, which also gets you rediculous records (like more than 600head shots/hour)?

there is a rule saying: "no spawn killing". its obvious that this is valid against human players. but would you also get banned for spawnkilling bots, who won't complain anway?

and ive often seen players violating various rules (spawnkilling, blocking doors, piston camp on teleporters,...) which really is unfair behaviour because it really gives advantage to one team. (but even in those cases it was enough to tell ppl there is a rule against that and they would stop - without having to take any further action, only in a few cases really the admin was called). (aimbot is obvious cheating - so there is no need to mention it)

so in short:
of course there must be rules. but there are different ways to enforce them. and its sad that you saw your only way in resorting to bans. (although i bet everyone on this list has learned his lesson and won't do that again - so a simple warning (and maybe a 1-3 day ban to emphasize that youre serious with the warning) would have sufficed. new players who don't read this rule (or don't consider this exploit as an exploit, since afaik there was no explicit rule against it) will still keep doing it - and get banned immediately. so what is being won by this drastic action?).

edit: so the last part should indicate that i don't even see the effect of general prevention here.

[aklakan]

and still a 1 month ban doesnt seem right for using a harmless exploit, which only effect is, that the record-time becomes meaningless, which is meaningless to game-play anyway.
(as i said: it can also be "cheated" when someone gives the flag carries a constant boost with the shock rifle, or the rocket launcher, or another slv, or the impact hammer, etc - of course that doesnt create times less than one sec :) )
also this "exploit" can also be used to pick up any item literally "on the fly" (you can also telefrag players with it, but its nearly impossible though (ok, now that i have said that, i gues, some players who don't know that "exploit" can already think of how it works). so is it also an exploit, when i pick up a shock rifle with it? or is it a strategic element in that case?

also, is it forbidden to (headshot-)spankill bots in early morning when noone is online, which also gets you rediculous records (like more than 600head shots/hour)?

there is a rule saying: "no spawn killing". its obvious that this is valid against human players. but would you also get banned for spawnkilling bots, who won't complain anway?

and ive often seen players violating various rules (spawnkilling, blocking doors, piston camp on teleporters,...) which really is unfair behaviour because it really gives advantage to one team. (but even in those cases it was enough to tell ppl there is a rule against that and they would stop - without having to take any further action, only in a few cases really the admin was called). (aimbot is obvious cheating - so there is no need to mention it)

so in short:
of course there must be rules. but there are different ways to enforce them. and its sad that you saw your only way in resorting to bans. (although i bet everyone on this list has learned his lesson and won't do that again - so a simple warning (and maybe a 1-3 day ban to emphasize that youre serious with the warning) would have sufficed. new players who don't read this rule (or don't consider this exploit as an exploit, since afaik there was no explicit rule against it) will still keep doing it - and get banned immediately. so what is being won by this drastic action?).

[Xsjado]

It may not be "illegal", but it isn't very fun for the people who like to try to beat these records using "skill". It takes out a lot of the fun of the fast cap system ..

[aklakan]

ah oopps, cant read :D - empty

[aklakan]

>> It may not be "illegal"

obviously it IS illegal.

[Dussander]

Rubbish

Harmless? You can tell that to the numerous players that came to me to complain that they cannot beat the records because someone else cheated to get them. Please explain to the rest of the class how you think capturing the flag in 0.043s by exploit is a. fair b. should be tolerated c. shouldn't be classed as cheating.

No one complains about spawnkilling bots because there's nothing to complain about, but when honest and fair players start complaining (and rightly so) then we will act to protect the server and its players from exploiting players.

[Neophyte]

ok, final word on this, it is a bug within slv that you guys have exploited. Our server rules specifically state that exploiting bugs is not allowed. The reason it take so long to come through is we were deciding how to approach this. The bans will stay as we don't want this kind of behaviour on our servers. Several warnings were issued by myself on the servers. In the case of the person teaching others how to exploit it, he should have known better and imo a 2 month ban is a let off.

[aklakan]

>> Rubbish
more rubbish

k, that does it.

Please explain to the rest of the class how you think capturing the flag in 0.043s by exploit is a. fair b. should be tolerated c. shouldn't be classed as cheating.

a) noone said its fair. but this exploit didnt cause any unfairness in ctf games (like aimbots, piston camping, spawnkilling) - so under that point of view its not unfair either.
b) i have no problem with it being not tolerated, if all ppl on the list were warned first.
c) get some brain if you can't see the difference between any combination of piston camp, spawnkilling, aimbotting and fast-cap-exploit.

>> The reason it take so long to come through is we were deciding how to approach this.
whoa. deciding for so long and coming up with such solution? i have seen admins handle situations more sensible on other servers and forums (even though i was never affected for violation of rules before)

with all due respect: youre a bunch of idiots. (of course those excluded, who had concerns against that decision (if there were any)). thx for the time i had on these servers and maybe you guys grow up (mentally) one day, to see that there are other solutions than coming up with an immediate bans in situations where warnings are appropriate.

cya never again.

[Neophyte]

ok,

a. (no-one said its fair) erm capping in 0.43 seconds is not fair, the other team should at least have half a chance of preventing the cap.

b. (no warning) Clearly states in the rules no exploiting bugs, of which this is clearly a bug

c. (random rant about getting a brain) JUST LOL!!!

with all due respect: in my idiotic opinion anyone who condones this kind of behaviour is not really welcome on our free to play public servers. Warnings were issued out frequently to a number of the offenders however this did not stop them exploiting. Whilst I understand you may be annoyed at the decision rules are there for a reason, you broke a rule and the punishment we state for rule breaking was actioned, so live with it.

Thread Closed