Banlist.nl Usernames [Archive] - Multiplay UK Forums

Limi

11th June 2006, 16:11

If you use the banlist program, just reply with your accounts nickname so we can share all the bans we have gathered over the time.

Account Names:

Limited
Quietus
AcidUK
Afty
Dan7
BonkersJC
DiscoStu
Ripps0r
Dentist

Azerth

12th June 2006, 23:23

Hold up there with your banlist.
It's a good idea in theory, but some people are WAAAAY too ban happy. I have seen people banned for d/cing even by accident, for picking a "broken" character and even for killing the host :/ TDA rules are all well and good but that pesky blue guy always finds something.

Bonkers

12th June 2006, 23:28

True but since we all play together - we all usually ban for the same thing - apart from Quietus :P

Baz

12th June 2006, 23:47

russian = ban

Killy

13th June 2006, 01:37

True but since we all play together - we all usually ban for the same thing - apart from Quietus :P
yeah but Acid really is a cock ;)
<3

Lucifa

13th June 2006, 07:05

her0n

13th June 2006, 10:02

Anyone can ban if they have banlist running, not just the blue slot.

In a game we played the other night, murphybob was the techies and was playing suicide tactics (very well actually!). He got a lot of kills against one particular player and this guy was crying noob so much he actually banned mbob and eventually quit. Was pretty funny but a prime example of what is not a bannable offence imo.

Also how is someone to know if a leaver has left by accidental disconnection or they've pulled the plug? Even if it was 'accidental', they'd still lag out and I would personally still ban, as it suggests they don't have a stable connection (or can't be bothered to turn off their downloads) and I don't want to play with people who lag the game out :p

Bluey

13th June 2006, 10:09

When the game crashes i think you don't get the "leaver detected" sound effect but you can generally tell by how the game's going if they've left on purpose or not, and no matter how many greeks and russians you kick there are always laggers to ban. Though if it gets bad we use this little widget to find their ip and the do the old: route add x.x.x.x 255.255.255.255 192.168.1.99 trick on the hosts machine to get rid of them permanently. Works well on the terminally bad in dm's as well

AcidUK

13th June 2006, 13:55

yeah but Acid really is a cock ;)
<3:mad:

I'm going to cover you in wax strips as you sleep @ stratlan.

Quietus

13th June 2006, 14:53

So much <3 Acid. You are proving my point with every word. :p

Banlist username: Quietus

Anim

14th June 2006, 19:00

personally i despise the idea and implementation of banlist. Theres lots of people who there ban the entire opposing team for winning, banlist = worst idea ever.

Killy

14th June 2006, 19:34

hence why you have approved banlists
it's not as bad as everyone going "wah we lost ban entire team"
but then again we only use each others banlist and/or host ourselves so we don't care too much :)

Quietus

14th June 2006, 22:09

personally i despise the idea and implementation of banlist. Theres lots of people who there ban the entire opposing team for winning, banlist = worst idea ever.
Right... so by doing that it means you (being one of the banned people) never has to play a game with that person again. Seems like a good idea to me.

Andy^

15th June 2006, 00:19

I don't have a banlist as such but was pubbin' just now with a guy called MatrixLord... got, think the dude's capslock was perminantly stuck down because he only typed in said caps, also winged & bitched about going solo in a -dmar game when he got Rikimaru straight away. Needless to say he actually got binned fairly quickly on that hero but then went on to be very, very annoying and as we were winning he was rubbing it in rather needlessly.

-Andy :D

AcidUK

16th June 2006, 19:23

My username is AcidUK btw :)

Afty

16th June 2006, 22:23

Banlist username is "Afty"

It's an excellent tool, but I really wish someone would get a community-backed GOODLIST going instead, would be far better.

Semajal

16th June 2006, 23:24

If someone leaves when they are doing well then i assume accident, if they leave when they are getting raped then assume plugger :)

Dan

17th June 2006, 13:46

Username : Dan7

maximumweasel

17th July 2006, 15:22

Not sure why they don't have the opposite to a ban list, like a recommendation list.

Everytime you don't leave a game you get a plue point, every time you do leave a game you get negative point (alter values by all means) then you select people on percentage score.

Problem with it as it stands any idiot can ban someone and that'll stick even if the banner is being a nob and the bannee hasn't actually done anything wrong.

Had someone idiot try to ban Murphybob for not banning someone else who came into a lane and killed a tower they were 'working on'.

I sorta see banlist games as a deterant than as of any use. I have to say I haven't seen many people join a game and have them appear on a banlist; with the number of leavers out there I'd thought bnet would be swimming with them.

Dentist

17th July 2006, 15:25

They do MXW.

Also, i normally get 1-2 people a game appear on my banlist while i'm hosting.
Even if the banner bans someone, its only them and anyone who has chosen to use their banlist who will have this entry. If someone bans me for a pathetic reason, i'm glad i wont have to play in any games with them anymore.

maximumweasel

17th July 2006, 15:29

Isn't the problem more that the banlist is shared?
So if Idiot A bans you for having skillz and shares it like some sort of venereal disease to non-idiot users they'll kick you because they assume you've been banned for being a tit.
I thought people tried to spread banlists universally, or am I incorrect and are they only shared locally between friends.

I've not seen this positive feedback banlist, fairly sure the one Anna uses is negative only.

Afty

17th July 2006, 15:47

I thought people tried to spread banlists universally, or am I incorrect and are they only shared locally between friends.Yeah, that's how it works except for the "approved" bans list, which is maintained by a very small number of trusted admins.
I've not seen this positive feedback banlist, fairly sure the one Anna uses is negative only.Yeah, I can't FIND it either, but I really would like to use it, it seems like a FAR better concept than banlist (though if you could ban using CD key, Banlist would be fine) in a world where users can change their name at will.

Quietus

17th July 2006, 15:51

It's on goodlist.nl

And yes, if you are banned by someone who is then trusted by someone else (i.e. they grab their banlist) then you have a problem. However, this is rarely an issue as banlists are not shared that widely. You will only have real problems getting games if you end up on either a NSG (northrend sharing group) or Approve Host banlist. If you do end up on those banlists, you can get your ban downgraded to a comment through discussing it with them on the forums and/or playing some games with them.

I get 3-4 banlisted players per game I host, usually. Yes, I have to keep banning more and more people as new accounts are an issue but I really don't see a way around that. False bans are not the huge problem. The huge problem is the ability to create new accounts so easily. There needs to be a way of making it awkward to create new accounts to work around bans.

maximumweasel

18th July 2006, 08:50

That will unfortunately never happen because dota is not part of the 'blizzard franchise' so to speak.

You can talk about support and popularity all you like, but the only thing blizzard supports in this sort of thing is it's own ladder ranking in stardard WC3.

This is why a goodlist so to speak would be so much better: if you get banned you can create a new account, but you can't create an account that has a load of 'brownie points' so to speak. They'd be no way around it other than to not be a tit or to steal someone else's account.

Afty

18th July 2006, 09:14

Goodlist doesn't really "work" - however the points scoring system side of it is being integrated (and the separate goodlist application deprecated) into 3.2 (I think) of banlist, so you can achieve what you want with the next release of banlist.

Canae wait!

maximumweasel

18th July 2006, 09:25

I suppose the way to do it would be log every player at the start with +100then if they leave remove points (say 50, we hate leavers), maybe -10 for drops.

The plus with this sort of game is you could dock or give extra points for people who are crap/good so when someone joins a game you have a bit more to go on than 'are they a leaver'.

You'd need a way of regulating how much you can give some one, i.e. one +10 points for being good per game to avoid friends just spamming each other. Or the easiest way I suppose is one player can only recommend another X times a week.

Then total score = total points over games played.

Anyway enough theory craft, back to work

Dentist

18th July 2006, 14:09

FYI, banning by IP is much more successful than account name. I think Acid actually went thro and made an application or found one for what i've been doing by hand, so poke him :P

maximumweasel

18th July 2006, 14:26

Yeah I've heard about IP-based banlists. I've also heard about IP release renew hax, but I'm not network minded enough to know whether that works or not.

And while IP based banlists gets around multiple accounts it still treats genuine accidental drops in the same league as leavers, which stills weighs on my mind so.

No really, it does.

Dentist

18th July 2006, 14:32

If your on a static IP with most broadband providers, i was under the impression it was too much hassle to get a new IP every time you want to dodge a ban. If your on a dynamic IP and you change usernames then there isnt much you can do about it.

You still have to chose whether to ban someone or not. If you dont trust people in the MPUK community not to ban in what you feel are the correct circumstances, then dont use their banlist :)

maximumweasel

18th July 2006, 14:35

Yeah I'm really thinking on a more hypothetical level. Although fallout often leads to...

Daemord is on Quietus' Banlist for being a whiney ho on the 04/04/06
Quietus is on Daemord's Banlist for being a whiney ho on the 04/04/06

:P

Just pulled two names that sprung to mind when I put the words "dota" and the phrase "Internal feuding" together.

Afty

18th July 2006, 15:28

I think collateral damage based on IP bans would be too great... but then so is "ban by country"... :)

Quietus

18th July 2006, 15:37

So? You never play with each other again. That's not a problem.

Although I've never banned anyone for being a "whiney ho". Ever.

Several for worse things though.

Chris101

19th July 2006, 00:40

i want to use the banlist
people keep leaving and stuff :confused:

Bonkers

19th July 2006, 00:59

BonkersJC

AcidUK

19th July 2006, 04:14

I think collateral damage based on IP bans would be too great... but then so is "ban by country"... :)While I'd agree that its fairly pointless banning dynamic IPs, if someone gets under my skin enough, I'll happily nullroute an entire subnet and accept the collateral.

Case in point being a chap I played with the other night, who spent half the time intentionally feeding, and spent the rest either trying to deliver his items to the enemy team or (as Obi so aptly put it) blogging in teamchat.

He earned a special place in my firewall.

Bonkers

19th July 2006, 09:39

He was great

Disco_Stu

30th July 2006, 19:52

DiscoStu (original I know)

Afty

31st July 2006, 09:42

Limited, can you edit your original post to include an updated list?

Limited
Quietus
AcidUK
Afty
Dan7
BonkersJC
DiscoStu

Dentist

31st July 2006, 15:21

Dentist is mine, guess i didnt post it :P

kandy

15th October 2006, 23:42

Please add me.... name Kandy so I can rest assured the cocks that leave might have a chance of not getting a game.

Also great banlist network, I have added you all and often kick people due to the infamous "banned player detected!"