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Strych

8th June 2006, 12:14

I disagree.

The kind of people who have england flags festooned on thier houses, cars, etc tend to be obnoxious and objectionable. The sentiment might be poorly expressed by this particular man, but I think he's on the right track. If you had a non-england flag on your car, and parked it in england, it'd get keyed.

The people in the flat below us have hung a huge england flag out of thier front window - like actually attached to the brickwork outside. I think that's totally f*cking inconsiderate. Maybe some of us don't want our flats to look like they're inhabited by common yobs. Maybe some of us aren't going to support 11 random overpaid "sportsmen" running about on a field in germany. What if I'm not even english? Not like I can really hang out a different flag on my flat is it?

People who insit on flagging EVERYTHING before the bloody matches have even started are exactly what this man says - "in your face" and annoying.

Roll on "England" getting knocked out in the first round.

dcoder

8th June 2006, 12:38

I disagree.
If you had a non-england flag on your car, and parked it in england, it'd get keyed.

Complete Tosh!!

I live in Rusholme in Manchester, quite literally 50ft from the start of Moss Side, we have flags from all over the world, Jamaca, Pakistan, Trinidad and there is no trouble with the people around here and me having an England flag displayed.

I also would like to say that the people I’ve spoken to about the world cup are neither obnoxious nor objectionable.

TheDon

8th June 2006, 12:38

Way to stereotype a good proportion of the population Strych.

In the article he's saying the problem will be the welsh will get pissed off seeing the flags and turn violent, not the people who are flying them... so how does that bring us onto the people flying them being obnoxious and objectional? The flag flyers will be the victims...

What he's basically saying is "The Welsh are inherently racist against the English and if you fly your English flags in this country expect to get beaten up for it".

If you can't put up with seeing flags for a couple of weeks every couple of years then you're really quite bitter... as for other flags, come pay a visit to Birmingham, you'll see all sorts of different flags getting flown all the time.

At the end of the day does it matter if it's in your face or not? Anyone that gets offended by seeing an English flag (in the context of the article, as in if you get offended to the point of violent, not if you think it looks ugly on some building) is racist and THEY are the problem, not the people flying the flag so why not deal with the racists rather than the flag wavers?

Screwball

8th June 2006, 12:40

Whats the problem with showing your country flag on your property in your country to show you are supporting your countrys team in one of the biggest sports tournaments, iv got a flag hanging out my window and im not a yob to me thats a bit stereotypicyal.

Elbonio

8th June 2006, 13:57

I think that if wer want to put up flags we will do and nobody is going to stop us.

It's not illegal? Even if it was it would be unenforacble.

And yeah Strych you are talking complete ******** there I'm afraid. Plenty of flags of other nations round here without problems.

If someone gets offended by a flag then I think they have issues they need to deal with, rather than society trying to fit around a few people who have a problem.

Shazz

8th June 2006, 14:16

I bought a welsh flag and drove round Bristol for a week... I didnt get any problems :p:

tigger

8th June 2006, 14:26

Correction to Strychs statement

"If you had an england flag on your car, and parked it in anywhere other than england, it'd get keyed."

Think the english are too tolerant of other nations etc.

But thats just my opinion :)

Afty

8th June 2006, 14:35

If you had a non-england flag on your car, and parked it in england, it'd get keyed. Just not true, I've seen about 8 or 9 different ones, two are parked near me here. There are also flags outside ppls homes. And this is a mostly "white, english" neighbourhood. Glad to see the comments about Rusholme up there.
Maybe some of us don't want our flats to look like they're inhabited by common yobs.Then maybe you should live somewhere like America where they have neighbourhood commitees bound by contractual obligation when you move in. Total and utter intolerance of everything "not like us" where they can demand everything from what shade of blue you paint your door to how much you have to spend on your garden (even if you can't afford it).

Britain, for all its' failings, is still an amazingly multicultural place - but we so often feel ashamed of our *own* culture - as if there's something WRONG with being proud to be English, and showing a national flag.

Aardvark

8th June 2006, 15:50

I agree with Strych about the twats. However thats got nothing to do with the flag, they're just naturally cockbites.

Screwball

8th June 2006, 15:50

round 2 BEGIN!

Zenith

8th June 2006, 16:00

On the other car flag thread...why the hell would you want to have a flag on your car when everyone in England would be supporting England,I repliedAnd only the english assume that is the case. :)
Personally, I'm getting a welsh flag for my car as a protest statement against all these english flags.I've reconsidered my approach as I don't want a flag on my car at all.

None of you live in North Wales so you can't possibly know what the current mood is like. I live in North Wales and believe me, there are plenty of cars with England flags that have been keyed in recent weeks. I've seen people snapping england flags off cars and I've seen them running a key along the side of cars. In almost every place I go with work (Holyhead across to Chester and down to about Barmouth/Dolgellau), I hear people complaining about the flags or the people who put flags up. These are ordinary people who aren't necessarily even welsh speakers.

You say about being patriotic and supporting your country. Wales is a separate country and people here are patriotic about it just as much as english people are about England. Seeing english flags everywhere is an affront to some people's sense of national pride. What Deputy Chief Constable Clive Wolfendale is actually doing is damage limitation and is being responsible IMO. He recognises that there is a problem and is telling people in plain language what is going on. The MP's are the ones that are completely out of touch. ...does not believe that tension between English and Welsh fans exists in north Wales.That guy is so wrong it is almost unbelievable. I've SEEN the tension that Clive Wolfendale is talking about.

What he's basically saying is "The Welsh are inherently racist against the English and if you fly your English flags in this country expect to get beaten up for it".A bit extreme, but the sentiment is right on the mark in the western country (Bangor, Caernarfon, Anglesey).

RocketKnight

8th June 2006, 16:16

My sister lives in Bangor in Wales. She says the racism against English people is a very real problem. Its not unusual for her to be walking down the street talking English only to have some Welsh prick/s overhear and follow her while screaming the Welsh national anthem right up in her face. They know they can't be violent or they'll be in a world of trouble so this kind of intimidation is the next best thing. She says it gets worse in the evenings when people have been drinking and they can't exercise that kind of 'constraint' anymore.

This obviously isn't the way all Welsh people behave, and thats certainly not what the police are suggesting either. They're simply trying to prevent incidents of racism from occuring by asking people not to fly a flag. Its unfortunate its come to that but the small number of trouble makers have once again spoiled things for the rest of us. I suppose if you live in an area where racism is a problem you just have to decide if the risk is worth it.

Not like I can really hang out a different flag on my flat is it?
Why not? I've seen flats with different flags on, which actually shows the positive side of football. In fact I'd put money on the different nations in that house having a BBQ and watching the matches together. England flags don't necessarily equate to yobbish behaviour.

Shazz

8th June 2006, 16:17

This reminds me of some councils changing christmas to "Festival of winter" because they didnt want to offend any other relgigions/ ethinic minoritys...

if you move to this country either by choice, of being forced to. You should learn to live with what it'ls like. But no, they just complain and try to get it there own way and cant tolerate... oh isnt this multicultural sociecty "great"

If everyone learn't to tolerate each other's choices/views etc, then it would be great. But it'll never happen.

Elbonio

8th June 2006, 16:47

I have a brasil shirt

We know we're not going to win so it's generally okay to wear a shirt from another nation

so long as it's not Argentina or Germany that is.....

Minidisk

8th June 2006, 16:52

I disagree.

The kind of people who have england flags festooned on thier houses, cars, etc tend to be obnoxious and objectionable.

I agree with Strych about the twats. However thats got nothing to do with the flag, they're just naturally cockbites.

I was going to think of something Intelligent and witty to say, but ill just say, **** you, Instead.

andyf

8th June 2006, 17:27

What's with all the angst, lil' laddie ?

Strych

8th June 2006, 17:48

I have to say, I am refreshed at the tolerance that people say others have to different flags. If that's the case where you live, then I'm genuinely pleased. However, as Zen's post proves, this is sadly not the case everywhere.

As far as my problem with flag wavers - let me put this in context.

I live in a nice middle class neighbourhood. Flags on houses just aren't the done thing. The person below has stuck this huge, cheap nylon flag on the front of the communal building, and quite frankly, compared to the rest of the houses round here, it DOES make it look yobbish. Now, I'm not saying "american commitee neighbourhood enforcment blah blah same painted doors etc" but just asking for some RESPECT of the fact the building is COMMUNAL. Without the flag, the building looks really nice - the flag just looks ugly and stupid. I mean, I have no problem with a flag in YOUR window, or anything else subtly done but this is just downright inconsiderate. Sadly, this seems to be typical of the kind of behavior of the kind of people who are all-out flag junkies.

I'm afraid that sterotypes have to come from somewhere, and at the end of the day sudden, brash, tacky, overenthusiastic patriotism is equatable with yobs and hooligans.

Aardvark

8th June 2006, 18:18

What's with all the angst, lil' laddie ?
I think he's trying to say that he has a flag yet isn't a cockbite, but his lack of intelligent and/or witty argument has put the mockers on this.

Gunsmith

8th June 2006, 18:31

flags suck. why anyone would want to support this bollock of a country is beyond me.

Rupert

8th June 2006, 18:45

I'm afraid that sterotypes have to come from somewhere, and at the end of the day sudden, brash, tacky, overenthusiastic patriotism is equatable with yobs and hooligans.

I prefer "passionate"

Lucifa

8th June 2006, 19:10

I passed a pub today, standard english pub with big chalk signs proclaiming "Watch the World Cup here on Big Screen" etc.
Outside the pub was hung a huge English flag.

You've probably seen the same look around where you live.

However, next to this flag was the flags of around 10 different countries as well.

shadow03

8th June 2006, 19:15

ive seen cars here in england with different flags, i dont feel hatred towards those people...if its their country and they want to support them (or even if they just want to support that country) then im fine with that.

and tbh strych if you think it makes THE flats look bad, then go buy your own house or just shut up and deal with it, its only a flag. I myself havent got a flag hanging out of any windows, but my auntie and uncle have and i can tell you now they are neither yobs or hooligans (although it would be pretty funny if my auntie liked an organised scrap)

Strych

8th June 2006, 19:41

and tbh strych if you think it makes THE flats look bad, then go buy your own house or just shut up and deal with it

Flag lovers = Bad attitude, exhibit 1.
I rest my case.

(Oh and buy a HOUSE? In London? Yeah, okay, come find me when you have over a quarter million spare, thanks)

Killy

8th June 2006, 19:54

so much love.
for the record i don't mind the flags, i'm against the thug/hooligan nature which sometimes goes with it however this isn't always the case. there are exceptions to every rule, not everyone who dons an england flag is going to be a foul mouthed twat. if you're going to tar everyone with the same brush then i'm not going to agree with any of you (and i'll fly a flag just to prove the point wrong ;))

Blind

8th June 2006, 21:01

flags suck. why anyone would want to support this bollock of a country is beyond me.

You know where the door is - don't slam it on the way out

Go work in the eu - no stopping you

shadow03

8th June 2006, 23:00

Flag lovers = Bad attitude, exhibit 1.
I rest my case.

(Oh and buy a HOUSE? In London? Yeah, okay, come find me when you have over a quarter million spare, thanks)

I myself havent got a flag hanging out of any windows

and yeh, i dont like living in a council house and being in a rundown neighbourhood, but my parents cant afford to buy a house. I know this is how it is though and i dont complain. If you havent got the money to buy your OWN house then just be quiet and deal with what you have got.

Vikx

8th June 2006, 23:05

Tbh, I've got my England flag up at home. Even though I'd heard somewhere that we weren't allowed to fly a flag due to "racism"

I don't give a flying where people come from, i'm gonna fly my flag with pride because I am PROUD of my country and if someone has an issue with my flag or the fact i'm flying it, then thats their problem, and they need to deal with it!

~Andy :D ~

tigger

9th June 2006, 09:05

Shazz

9th June 2006, 09:08

here here

Elbonio

9th June 2006, 09:12

I live in a middle class area and there isnt a house on my street that doesnt have a flag up

Strych you're being very narrow minded about this and equating flags to class just doesnt work.

And I bet you you would have had no problem if this person had put up some Christmas decorations at xmas for everyone to enjoy - but surely some people could be offended by that?! oh noes!

Afty

9th June 2006, 09:16

Flag lovers = Bad attitude, exhibit 1.
I rest my case.I prefer his attitude to yours. He is suggesting you be more tolerant of the people in your building... I see nothing wrong with that?

panda_sam

9th June 2006, 10:21

speaking from some unfortunate personal experience, my step-dad decided to put up a scotland flag in our window during the last world cup we qualified for (France 98?). We had 6 of our windows smashed in the night he put it up.

I'm not saying that ALL england fans are like this, but there are still plenty that are very intolerant of other flags. I will also admit that it is getting better. Some pubs have started flying flags other than england (from what i saw on a recnet trip to essex), however we were told to stay away from the pubs on the seafront because we might offend people with our scottish-ness so close to the world cup and get beaten up :S

King-Kodiak

9th June 2006, 11:13

I can see where Strych is coming from (and fair play, my dear, for defending your opinions :)). I don't agree with it, but alas there are a number of people that do associate the flag flyers to hooligans.

Sam, granted, but didn't you use to live in a REALLY rough area? Odd's are, it wouldn't matter what flag you flew, your windows would have been set to the same fate.

Demonic

9th June 2006, 11:43

I personally (you know my opinion) think that whilst this is a very multicultural country, it is amazingly intolerant considering. I know this doesn't apply to everywhere, but using sam_chan's post as an example I find it amazing how the individual countries of the UK (and look up countries if you disagree with calling them that) can be so intolerant in parts to one another despite how much we have in common and how long we've been united, yet the same people won't always care about the flags of other, external, countries at all and will be peaceful and unvocal when it comes to them. If that isn't being racist I don't know what is. However (thankfully) these people are in the minority, and to tar everyone who supports england, or everyone who doesnt want to in wales or scotland, with the same brush would be unfair. But simply denying it causes problem in some areas and not in others is just not being realistic.

Some of you may or may not know I spend a fair amount of time (this is due to my dad's previous job where he spent a few years living there) in the caribbean, so I know a lot of people around the windwards who are supporting Trinidad and Tobago even if they have no connections other than geographic with them. On the other hand you wouldn't see them go to Martinique (which is part of france) and key cars or rip french flags etc. Which is the kind of thing we get being described here. What's different? The attitude to football I guess, they see it as what it is, a game, a sport, something to watch for fun, play for fun and to a degree dream of stardom etc. Much more like the attitude that younger kids often have to it. Another factor is that as a whole they are friendlier people down there and are amazingly tolerant for the most part; obviously, there will always be some who arent, which brings me back to the point I guess, which is that basically there will always be a minority of human beings who are intolerant and at times of the world cup and similar events they will cause a disproportionate amount of problems. The minority of them in the UK seem to cause more problems than most in the past though, let's hope that the attitude from Japan and Korea continues in Germany this time around.

However, I can see where strych is coming from, to a degree, although I think it is a little extreme perhaps, but like KK its admirable you're standing up for you're opinions. Though a few people may be like you describe, and the minority I talk about above, but there will always be the majority who'll fly the flag simply because they want to show support. I personally think it's nice to see flags around and about, especially when they aren't all england flags. :) For example, the PM is having the St. George's Cross flown above Downing Street on match days apparently, would you consider this a bad idea?

This post ended up a tad longer than expected :-/

Elbonio

9th June 2006, 11:43

one incident vs all the other non incidents = not a widespread problem

Of course you're always going to get twats but this happens in every facet of every society, doesnt prove anything other than there are twats in the world.

dcoder

9th June 2006, 11:48

Does Buckingham Palace come under your view Strych?

Demonic

9th June 2006, 11:48

And elbonio just summarized my post very quickly :-P

Cheez

9th June 2006, 11:50

You know where the door is - don't slam it on the way out

Go work in the eu - no stopping you
Flags suck, why anyone would want to support England is beyond me. ;)

TheDon

9th June 2006, 12:13

Flags suck, why anyone would want to support England is beyond me. ;)

You know where the do.... oh... wait... :D

GreyDeath

9th June 2006, 12:22

make all flags white, then we will see how quick people are to slap them up everywhere :D

Strych

9th June 2006, 22:16

and yeh, i dont like living in a council house and being in a rundown neighbourhood, but my parents cant afford to buy a house. I know this is how it is though and i dont complain. If you havent got the money to buy your OWN house then just be quiet and deal with what you have got.

Oh, bad luck: I'm afraid I'm not in a council house OR a rundown neighbourhood (I hear READING the posts you are responding to is coming into fashion these days.) If I was getting a nice cheap council flat they could hang flags all over the front of MY house for all I care - a cheap flat is a cheap flat - but, FYI, it is a bought flat, not a council handout, that I live in, so please do feel free to dismount from your high horse at your earliest convenience.

Afty - why should I be more tolerant of my neighbours when they clearly haven't spared a thought for any of us? And, believe me, despite my bad grace, I am tolerating it.

Frag-O-Byte

9th June 2006, 22:33

these flags are dangerouse and i cant wait till they all get taken down i hate football and i hate the friggin stupid car flags!

but yeh u get a couple of yobs that let us down ad you get everyone thinking all of englands like it.. but hey thats life we cant do fookall about it sitting here..! Too the big building in london!

Bowser

9th June 2006, 22:41

Flags on houses - fair enough

Flags on cars are sooooo annoying. Although I've seen a couple of cars pulled up by the cops this week cause they had them on their cars (hehe)

Anger between teams/countrys is normal. A friend of mines workmate (who is scottish) thought it would be funny to wear a Argentina shirt while the last world cup was on then walked home through the centre of Leicester. He ended up in hospital for a week. Its a shame that the minority of mindless idiots put a tarnish on the game :(

Frag-O-Byte

9th June 2006, 22:51

indeed

Afty

9th June 2006, 23:56

FYI, it is a bought flat, not a council handoutI think his point was that you bought the flat, not the whole building.
Afty - why should I be more tolerant of my neighbours when they clearly haven't spared a thought for any of us?Tolerance is not tit-for-tat "I'll be tolerant of you, if you're tolerant of me" - tolerance more absolute.

The flag hurts no-one, harms no-one and has no detrimental effects except in a world of bigots.

Strych

10th June 2006, 09:55

hooray for bigots!

10G0

10th June 2006, 11:52

utterly ridiculous, unbelievable.

Find a difference between patriotic and racist.

shadow03

10th June 2006, 11:53

hooray for bigots!
hooray for poor come backs!

And yes as afty said my point was that you havent bought the whole building (seems you arent keeping up with the latest "fashion" strych;))

but lets forget our differences today, and go cheer england on to hopefully kick paraguays arse:D

Boffykins

10th June 2006, 12:09

Its a shame that the minority of mindless idiots put a tarnish on the game :(Esport is the future!

Demonic

10th June 2006, 12:40

"Esport" is a joke - It may not be in the future perhaps, but for the most part atm, its a joke. :P

I'd define tolerance differently afty. Tolerance is as much attitude, as the face you put on. If you go ranting about something then say "oh I'm being tolerant, look at me being tolerant", you aren't being tolerant, you're just keeping up a "game face" really. Tolerance is actually not being bothered by what country people support, what flags they put up, where people are from, etc.

Afty

10th June 2006, 14:17

Find a difference between patriotic and racist.
Patriotic : proud of your nation and what it stands for.
Racist : Discriminatory behaviour based on differences in your DNA of less than 0.01%

King-Kodiak

10th June 2006, 15:52

Patriotic : proud of your nation and what it stands for.
Racist : Discriminatory behaviour based on differences in your DNA of less than 0.01%

Well said that man.

cptslog

10th June 2006, 16:17

Oh, bad luck: I'm afraid I'm not in a council house OR a rundown neighbourhood (I hear READING the posts you are responding to is coming into fashion these days.) If I was getting a nice cheap council flat they could hang flags all over the front of MY house for all I care - a cheap flat is a cheap flat - but, FYI, it is a bought flat, not a council handout, that I live in, so please do feel free to dismount from your high horse at your earliest convenience.

Afty - why should I be more tolerant of my neighbours when they clearly haven't spared a thought for any of us? And, believe me, despite my bad grace, I am tolerating it.

Surely if its concerning you that much, instead of posting on here you should go and have a word with whoever put the flag up?

Slog.

Zenith

10th June 2006, 17:04

I saw this today, laughed, and thought of this thread. :)
It is Thornton's in Llandudno.

http://www.zenith-solutions.co.uk/images/welsh.jpg

butlershouse

10th June 2006, 17:29

Today was like that wierd Lynx advert where its just women everywhere and then a man appears. I was in town today trying to get a Haircut , the barber was closed because a english football match was on. I went to get some meat but the butchers was closed due to England match. I then went to go get some beer from my favourite brewers .... gues what .. yep closed. Sainsburys it was then ... hmm I cant think wht Local traders end up loosing out in the long run , but i digress.

I had planned to get into town earlier in the day however being a parent of a 2yr old you soon learn that such scheduling often fails. So I was a little bit disappointed but the closures were not unexpected just a little annoying.

So anyway the town was quite empty but the high ( and i mean high ) percentage of girls walking around town was testament to the fact that this is not a "National" patriotic event since clearly there were not an equal number of men present.

I wonder if this means women are less patriotic or less nationalistic ? Im not asking a serious question here.

I cant stand this whole attachment to sports that people have. but ive posted my thoughts on that before.

But it was "wierd" to be in town on a saturday afternoon and not have the usual crowds but to have so many women clearly avoiding the football.

Theres no real point to this post on this treads. Yes I am finding the flags a little pointless ( where are the other flags for the other countries ? ) and It amazes me how well the media subverts peoples commitments and attitudes .

So there we go .. nik butler .. bored with tv football and drinking the last of his beer!

Rhi

10th June 2006, 22:51

I saw this today, laughed, and thought of this thread. :)
It is Thornton's in Llandudno.

http://www.zenith-solutions.co.uk/images/welsh.jpg

/me misses Wales

i have to say, this world cup thing is more tempting than i thought it'd be - i found myself scheduling my revision and eating habits for the day so i could watch a bit of the footie :confused: lol

shadow03

11th June 2006, 13:19

So anyway the town was quite empty but the high ( and i mean high ) percentage of girls walking around town was testament to the fact that this is not a "National" patriotic event since clearly there were not an equal number of men present.

I wonder if this means women are less patriotic or less nationalistic ? Im not asking a serious question here.

or maybe women just dont follow the football?

erm.....not a serious answer (it is really though)

Demonic

11th June 2006, 13:47

where are the other flags for the other countries

The fact that we're in england may have some effect on this. (Call me crazy if I'm jumping the gun there. :P)

TheDon

11th June 2006, 14:02

where are the other flags for the other countries ?

Hanging outside every pub I've walked past in the past few weeks.....

pos

11th June 2006, 17:01

Stars and Stripes on every street corner! Damn Americans... haha
You get the occassional Mexican flag outside of people's homes and places of work.
Yesterday we put up Union Jacks, and St. George's Cross outside where I work, to show we support our country in this international competition. (I work in a British Tea Room.)
We have no problems having our flags up, even the mexican place next door complimented us on how much better the building looked.

In conclusion of my ramblings, i just think that the UK has forgotten what the meaning of a flag is. It represents you, as a nation. Which is why the USA is so fanatic about theirs... if you fly it at night - YOU MUST HAVE A LIGHT SHINING ON IT! Their flag is what represents them. 13 Colonies, and 50 States. Red for Courage, White for Purity and Blue for Justice.
(Yes he taught me all of this... )

Yet what does our stand for? What comes to mind when you think of our flags? Yobbish behaviour and ****tards?
That makes me so sad, that this is what has become of our nation, and people.

Georgecooldude

11th June 2006, 17:03

im flying my english flag because ive had enough of (you know who! {not the welsh} ) saying it offends them.

If they don't like it they can f right off back to their own country

Cheez

11th June 2006, 19:18

im flying my english flag because ive had enough of (you know who! {not the welsh} ) saying it offends them.

If they don't like it they can f right off back to their own country
And people wonder why our flag has negative connotations... :rolleyes:

Murray-Mint

11th June 2006, 20:23

Yesterday we put up Union Jacks

Your tea room is at Sea? On land it is the Union Flag. :)

Afty

11th June 2006, 21:02

And people wonder why our flag has negative connotations... :rolleyes:Actually I think that is one of Georgecooldudes most valid comments. If the flag of a country you adopt offends you, perhaps you shouldn't have moved their in the first place?

shadow03

11th June 2006, 21:10

marry me afty, Georgecooldude can be our perfect little child!

dusty

11th June 2006, 21:39

http://www.ftaclan.net/portal/attachment.php?attachmentid=1054

should keep the welsh happy ;P

her0n

11th June 2006, 22:18

need a login to see that, cba to register :/

pos

11th June 2006, 23:57

Your tea room is at Sea? On land it is the Union Flag. :)

Can't say i knew that... thanks for the info :)

cptslog

12th June 2006, 02:09

need a login to see that, cba to register :/

Uploaded it to ImageShack for you...

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/5/41737870sheeppa2034qo.jpg

Slog.

butlershouse

12th June 2006, 05:53

The fact that we're in england may have some effect on this. (Call me crazy if I'm jumping the gun there. :P)

Yeah .. but youd think that there would be some people who would be supporting their team and as such might be flying their flags for their countries or has our foreign Immigrant policy actaully working ? <grin>

Oh and to whomeever makes the attempted clever comments about it being the Union Flag and not the Union Jack ,whilst you are accurate to call it that, it is also just as correct to refer to it as the Union Jack . Those of us brought up in the services ,specifically the Navy, will know what a Jack is and what the differences are.

Strych

12th June 2006, 17:17

You know what? Random thought. I have no problem with the union flag. In fact I'd love a mini cooper with one on the roof. I am definately proud to be British. However, something about specifically stressing being from INGERLAND and that being very different to (and better than) the other countries in the UK, for some reason that makes me rather uncomfortable.

How odd.

TheDon

12th June 2006, 17:37

You know what? Random thought. I have no problem with the European Union flag. In fact I'd love a mini cooper with one on the roof. I am definately proud to be European. However, something about specifically stressing being from the UK and that being very different to (and better than) the other regions in the EU, for some reason that makes me rather uncomfortable.

How odd.

:p Why stop at feeling uncomfortable based on Country, we could extend it further by saying European is trying to say that the rest of the world isn't as good as Europe.

I'm proud to be English rather than British. I'll always class myself as English, and I hate it when you have to select a country on something and it has either British or United Kingdom. Hello, it says country, neither of them are countries.

There are a fair few differences between England Scotland and Wales, celebrating which one of them you're from is NOT saying your better than them. Look at the welsh, they are very proud of their country, and you'd be hard pressed to find welsh people who would class themselves as British ahead of being welsh.

There's nothing wrong with being proud of the country you are from, unless you go around screaming your superiority to all other countries then I really don't see the problem... Sure the English flag has some bad associations in the past, but this is why so many people want to fly it now in support of the country, people want to claim the flag back from bigots and racists and turn it back into what it should mean, that we're English, and we're proud of it, because our country is one of the most diverse and tolerant in the world.