BT Openworld ADSL

[WhiteKnight]

Is there anyone here who has this ?

I`m trying to find out if it is possible to get the basic package and then replace the USB "Pile o' ****e" alcatel modem with the decent Ethernet firewall ADSL modem that Alcatel do.

Has anyone done this ?

I phoned the BT Openworld support line and they said (off the record) that it should be possible.. but i wondered if there would be any excesive config involved ?

[SquireMuldoon]

I have BT Openworld and what you are suggesting sounds perfectly doable.

If I remember rightly, the wall socket is RJ45 anyway (I'll check this tonight), and its only the supplied modem that insists on using a USB port on your machine.

It also installs like a regular external modem, albiet its actually recognised as a network device, and the only config is setting up a dialup account as you would with a modem.

NOTE: While Openworld is classed as an 'Always On' service that does not dialup, it does actually use dialup networking to create a connection that will be 'always on' unless you terminate it.

As an aside, I'd recommend that you look at other options before you choose openworld. BT are ****e, and their service is plagued with outages of one kind or another. Downloading stuff is great compared to 56K and while there is a marked improvement in ingame pings, the service is often 'choppy'. If you could get ADSL through someone else I'd recommend trying it, or if you could get cable, youd probably be better off with that.

[SquireMuldoon]

errr right, just checked, and the wall socket is the smaller stlye phone socket (looks like RJ45 but smaller), so I was wrong but then thinking about it it doesn't really matter does it.... if its an ADSL modem it should be able to plug into the supplied wall socket and its just a matter of what connector it has to your computer....

duh!

I really should stop trying to think. Hurts too much :D

[MONK]

Well WK SDSL just came out so you could get that :)

That what Redstone have been doing!

[WhiteKnight]

Why dont i just go get an E1 (/me slaps Monk)

Yeah.. The orrifice you are reffering to is an RJ-11 port.. standard american phone port.. and the ADSL Firewall router can be found here..

Piece of ****e: http://www.alcatel.com/consumer/dsl/produsb.htm

Firewall: http://www.alcatel.com/consumer/dsl/prodprofw.htm

Only thing is i then have 2 ADSL adaptors.. so could i sell one on ?

and where would I stand on the OpenWorld EULA ?

Do they say "You may not use this on our service" and "you will be raped if you do" ?

WK.

[Edited by WhiteKnight on 25th April 2001 at 21:25]

[SquireMuldoon]

I dont think you can sell the modem. I think it still remains BT property but Im not sure. I'll check it tomorrow along with the EULA and let ya know.

[Phiebs]

As Squire has already said - don't choose BT if you have to. I dont believe you can sell the modem if you get the standard theingymajig, but if you opt to BUY it then I don't think it would be a problem :p

Bottom line is ; don't choose BT, get cable, because it CAN plug into a RJ-45 socket, standard 10-BaseT connection and it is also a lot better for gaming - and less choppy .....

[WhiteKnight]

A) cable isnt available in this area yet.. and wont be for months... but ADSL is..

B) The cables one still doesnt have a firewall.. so i`d need to invest in either somthing like this.. or build a firewall machine.. (I currently have a modem/router/firewall unit)

The choppy nature of the Openworld is mainly due to the fact that its based on BT Internet.. and bt is a little choppy too.. but i`ll only be surfing on it.. not gaming.

As for choosing another ISP.. I would willingly do so if there were one that would offer it for a competitive price... and it is still based on BT lines and tech anyway.

I`d much rather have cable.. but its not available and Modem is REALLY pissing me off.

WK.

[SquireMuldoon]

Right, I checked the openworld contract I have and although it does not specify the modem, it sounds like you cant sell it.

The relevent clause:
3.4 We will need to place some equipment on the premesis to provide you with the service. This equipment will remain our property at all times. You must provide a suitable location for our equipment and, where needed, a continuos mains electricity supply and connection points.

Good news tho is it doesn't appear to say anything against using another modem.

[Cabe]

If its BT property, WTF do they state that you BUY the dammned thing on the web ****e.

Side note....

Margret Thatcher turned down BT's offer to FIBER up every home in the UK out of its own pocket with a price tag of £20bn, back when she was in government. On the priviso that they (BT) were one of the primary content providers for broardband services. If she had let them do it, we could theoretically have T1 lines to our homes, and the UK would be leading the speed race. Can any one say Stoooopid Pe0n!

[WhiteKnight]

/me slaps Cabe...

E1 !!!! Muppet... T1 is the crappy old yankee version.

WK.

[Cabe]

tis better than what we got at the moment, and T1 is the "Single Fiber" maximum, for E1 you'd need a bundle of them.

/me slaps WK, then remebers, he might be wrong ;D

[Cabe]

me just had to make sure i didnt stay on "666" posts too long.

[WhiteKnight]

E1 and T1 are technically the same thing, but E1 = 2.48Mb/s and T1 = 1.44Mb/s

They both run on a single fiber (Normally).

Or Copper !! (Mr Coates has E1 into his house!)

WK.

[Cabe]

ahhh, as i said i could be wrong :)

...And Lo, the Mighty White Said, 010000100110100101101110011000010111001001111001001000000101
00100111010101101100011001010111001100100001*...

but i can still bitch slap ya crazy fool :D


*Translation - Your Are Dumb

[Edited by Cabe on 26th April 2001 at 01:01]

[MONK]

Hes right ya r! ;)

[Cabe]

/me slaps nathan

[WhiteKnight]

/me doesnt slap Cabe anymore coz hes begining to like it :D

WK.

[jase]

BTopenworld, No The WHOLE of BT suxs Coxs...

On monday they gave me a date for installation of ADSL, Today im too far from the exchage.

What a bunch of W*NKERS


apart from that, im fine :D

Have you any problems with BT ??

[WhiteKnight]

LOL.. Well i`m yet to find out IF i can have it.. but i think so..

[WhiteKnight]

OK peeps... this: http://www.demon.net/products/access/adsl-launch.shtml has really caught my eye...

Static IP and stuff, on a decent carrier.

How do y`all rate Demon as an ISP ?

WK.

[MONK]

Demon used to be good.... but that was a while ago...

[SmartMonkey]

one of my mates has demon, Its quick reliable and if there is a problem the support is good and quick.

[ZStation]

I'm a bit late into this thread, but here goes:

At work, we got 1Mb ADSL through PowerNet, which we thought was the best solution, as it gave 5 static IPs (handy for running various servers). We'd ideally have like NTL Cable, but it's residentual only.

At home, we (myself, Ratty and Josidiah plus one other person) have NTL Cable, which is 512k. It's faster than the ADSL. Now, we've been told by PowerNet AND BT that our ADSL is running at full 1Mb speed, but we've yet to get more than 64KBytes/s out of it - less than the 120kbytes/s we've peaked the cable modem at.

Also, the ADSL modem is set up with your IP, and configuration BY BT DURING INSTALL - so basically replacing the modem yourself is a no-no. Just like the cable modem at home, it's specific one with it's own MAC addy.

We're eagrly awaitng NTL to roll out 4Mb cable here in Belfast, rumoured to be in June. Hopefully our 3Com modem supports it (NTL have been supplying Motorola modems in the past few months which are 4Mb compatible). At the moment we can have 4 CS games going at the same time ith sub-50mS pings to UK2. 4Mb will kick ass. :)

ZS

[Cabe]

ZStation you C*** weve yet to get even basic cable here on portchester!

[WhiteKnight]

THIS SUXXORS !!

I WANT FAST WEB !

YOu may find that the reason you have a slow speed at work is becoz you are sharing the bandwidth with a load of other Web aware companies, and thus they eat into your bandwidth.

So my question still stands..

Do i get Demon or BT ADSL... and then hope to be able to get the ethernet box on the end ?

Or do i wait months and months for cable ?

WK.

[Cabe]

ntlworld will be offered to our new customers once the local Cable and Wireless networks have been upgraded in order to support this popular new service. We are currently surveying these networks in order to produce a realistic timetable of local launches. As our priority is to maintain the high quality of the service, we will invest in network upgrades before making the service available. Currently we anticipate that ntlworld will become available from Spring 2001

Im gonna get this till Cable comes along.

[werewolf]

ZStation

If you have the 3com CMX modem it will go to about 37mbit :eek:

I think most will go to about that speed it the ISP allows it :D

[Cabe]

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: :eek:

37megabits, huuunnggggaaaaa....

[SquireMuldoon]

WhiteKnight. As far as Im aware, it doesn't matter if you go with Demon or BT, you will recieve the USB version. I think that's all that is offered at the moment.

What does matter is the quality of the service/connection.
I cant comment on Demon, but BT is ****e. Question is, "Is Demon worse?"

[Scarr]

Cabe, if you see this today while at college TURN ON YOUR FUNKING PHONE and phone me on my mobile!!

[ZStation]

Originally posted by werewolf
ZStation

If you have the 3com CMX modem it will go to about 37mbit :eek:

I think most will go to about that speed it the ISP allows it :D

Sweet, that's nice to know. That's the very modem we have. 3Com's site is useless, it does'nt say what speed it supports.

Yep, NTL in Belfast rocks. 2 years of constant road works and pavement ripping has given almost total NTL coverage across the city. Sweeeeet. :)

ZS

[ZStation]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight
OK peeps... this: http://www.demon.net/products/access/adsl-launch.shtml has really caught my eye...

Static IP and stuff, on a decent carrier.

How do y`all rate Demon as an ISP ?

WK.

I was using Demon at home on SurfTime via my HomeHighway. Worked OK, but nothing spectacular. Purple ROMP which the Surftime folks have to use, sucks for gaming. I'm not sure how the ROMP used for ADSL compares. Green ROMP (the typical dial-in) gave approx 90mS ping to UK2, Purple nearly twice that with 150-200mS.

Personally, if I were going ADSL, I'd give Clara a go - http://www.clara.net - I've been using them for years, zero problems. Very, very fast too.

ZS

[Cabe]

Scarr, I would, if i had you number.

[SmartMonkey]

If you go with demon, and chose one of the 20-1 contention ratio services you get the ethernet version and 13 fixed IP's it's only the cheap home user version that gives you the USB conection version

[WhiteKnight]

Exactly.. that`d be £100 a month + vat !!

I cant afford that..

I could afford the cost of the ethernet unit £250 + the 50:1 ratio cost of £40-50 a month.

Why dont they offer this ?!?!?!

I spose it could be that they dont want people on a 50:1 contention adding a ****load more PCs to the connection.. and by supplying a USB modem, they sort of negate that a little.

But then 98 and 2k both have ICS so i`m talking bollox again.. Why dont they offer this package ?

I mean, at the moment they are alienating:
* Older mac users
* Linux users
* Amiga users
* PC users with 95 and NT
* PC users without USB.
* Anyone else who doesnt have or want a USB port.

I mean, if a USB 56k Modem cant take the pace (all the ones i`ve seen sucked), how is a USB DSL modem gonna be any good ?

Anyone able to shed light on this ?

WK.

[Edited by WhiteKnight on 5th May 2001 at 02:25]

[MONK]

I can not say enough how much I hate them for it!

There is no real reason just to give home users USB as if you don't know much about networking you will use ICS so USB is ok. And if you do know a lot then you will do the exact same thing except be pissed off with them for doing it!

I can't see why they wouldn't have you phoned them up?

[wishy]

You can get an ADSL connection with a router, 5 IPs and no NATs, not the pants USB modem, but USB is classified as home and Router is classified as buisness, Suppose everybody should have 1 system in their house, LOL, me got 6. But cos of this, USB is £40 / Month, Router is £100 / month. OUCH!
My mates got the 100 a month option at his house and it is SWEET.

[KermitTheFrag]

There are Alcatel psudeo-open-source drivers available that turn your modem into a usable device within Linux. Get em while they're hot from here:-

http://www.alcatel.com/consumer/dsl/supuser.htm

This'll be your best option if you wanna NAT stuff properly without paying 100 quid a month or using Windows ICS (which is `sucky sucky 5 dollar').

Personally, I'm on 512k NTL where they give you ethernet and USB for a whopping £20/month. Much better ping stability than DSL too and 512k is plenty fast for me. When I get a 39 ping to my favourite UT server then the 0wnage is baaaad :D

Get yourself DynDNS from http://www.dyndns.org/ and then you can access your box from work. Works a treat.

> Amiga users

Get over it - you're suffering ADS (Amiga Denial Syndrome) :D

[WhiteKnight]

Monk et. al.: I did phone BT and asked them if i could have the option with the router and 50:1 and they said, rather candidly, that "That is not an option that we offer, but like you said, it is possible to use the ethernet router. This is the url for the units we use " and she gave me http://www.alcatel.com

But this doesnt tell me how to set it up. If it can be done. How easy it is. How much it will cost. etc...

Can anyone offer any sort of advice.. or linkage to someone who might ?

WK.

[WhiteKnight]

Kermit:

My point is not that there isnt ways round it (drivers and programs etc..)

My point is that they just dont offer the alternative.. And i`d like a hardware solution... less maintainence.

[Cabe]

tis gonna cost ya extra money WK, or wait for cable.

[KermitTheFrag]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight
My point is that they just dont offer the alternative.. And i`d like a hardware solution... less maintainence.

True - they dont offer an alternative but that is their technology's limitation. Thats why we didnt go ADSL - coz it sucks connectivity wise and is run by the wonderful monopoly known as BT.

Maintenance is a bo11ocks excuse. I mean our CM router is an OpenBSD 2.8 box running on a Sun SparcClassic w/ 48Mb of RAM and an additional ethernet SBus card. Took a whole 15 minutes to set up once installed, is 99.999% secure, has the ability to do *other* things if you need it and I've never had to touch it once since installation and I never will. The whole solution cost about £80 and doesnt involve *any* expensive and *proprietry* `hardware' routers.

[afty]

Why is it you want the router version?

In our flat we have:
ADSL modem (USB) coming in
Thats plugged into an old machine running win2k server.
That runs Winroute Lite (that's the firewall).
(it also runs a web and mail server on fixed IP, but that's irrelevant)
Winroute shares the connection between four other PCs dotted around the flat on a 100 MB/s LAN.
This works fine for just about *everything* except Dplay games - because MS is ****e at interoperability, only one person can play Dplay games at once.

Now i'm guessing you want the router for one of several reasons:
1] you're worried about performance of the USB stuff. DONT, it's fine. That USB modem you talked about was probably a dodgy modem - USB itself is an excellent and high performance technology. Of course, a decent MOBO + controllers is needed.
2] you want to attach multiple machines to the net. See above. NAT is great.
3] you want multiple machines with their own IP addresses. - Not going to work. You need to fork out for the business version to get more than one IP address assigned to you.
4] You want it for the 'firewall' capabilities. Don't. alcatel products generally suck and I'm not a big fan of them. If you are running multiple machines, use NAT and secure that box, otherwise run Winroute on your one box and open the ports you need explicitly, or get a decent personal firewall.

I can't think of many more reasons here. Any more advice, just ask.

[KermitTheFrag]

> you want to attach multiple machines to the net. See
> above. NAT is great.

NAT should be the only way, although I notice that `my old git' has started selling Win2k servers with MS ISA server where you have to actually put client software on the machines to connect to the internet!!!

That really is an ugly hack and apparently it doesnt work very well from the client end as any http requests have to have NTLM authentication and ICMP and kernel level TCPIP doesnt work outside the internal network.

I shudder in digust at Microsoft and their networking reputation. My solution is always:-

http://www.openbsd.org/

(sorry - it's so good I just have to tell everyone :D )

[afty]

I had the time and knowledge to try a *BSD :)

I've been telling myself for 6 months now I *am* going to find an evening or two to sort out a Debian potato machine, but haven't yet...

[KermitTheFrag]

Originally posted by afty
I had the time and knowledge to try a *BSD :)

I've been telling myself for 6 months now I *am* going to find an evening or two to sort out a Debian potato machine, but haven't yet...

Ahh it's easy enough. You just really do have to learn how to use the vi editor though (which isnt fun). Everything else is just editing the /etc files and reading the manpages and FAQ on their web site. I'd suggest using a BSD (FreeBSD or OpenBSD) over Linux if you dont need Linux hardware support as it's significantly faster and everything is more logically arranged. To give you an idea, you only have to change 2 files to turn your system into a firewall *and* NAT! Now how hard can that be :D

[afty]

As Linux is slowly becoming a bit of a buzz word I'd like to spend some 'quality time' with it in order to improve my resale value next time I change company.

Plus, it does seem to be becoming a viable desktop OS which could be nice to bring down licensing fees in a company.

Plus there's all those fun tools I would like to play with like Samba, IPchains etc.

[KermitTheFrag]

True on the desktop, but I prefer the extra code auditing done by the OpenBSD team for network devices. I'd get SuSE 7.1 then as a near alternative. It works very well and I've never managed to break it (yet).

My current standards go:-
- Network device - OpenBSD 2.8
- Server - SuSE 7.1
- Desktop - Win2k Pro / SuSE 7.1

[Edited by KermitTheFrag on 8th May 2001 at 13:51]

[afty]

maybe, it's just the principle :)

I suppose I'm just being romantic when I go for a Debian distribution.

Or maybe I don't want to sell my soul to another corp. :p

(I know, I know...)

[KermitTheFrag]

LOL :D. Just coz you dont like Germans...

Why not `Get Slack' instead. There are two ways to do this, the second one being marginally more fun :D

Way 1:- http://www.slackware.com/
Way 2:- http://www.subgenius.com/

You see, Debian isnt updated often enough for me and dselect does my head in.

[WhiteKnight]

Kermit Said:
Maintenance is a bo11ocks excuse. I mean our CM router is an OpenBSD 2.8 box...

I dislike people resorting to abuse to get their point across but i see where you are coming from. The problem being that i dont have any *nix skills at all so that route is closed to me (for now).
Also dont go saying "oh its just 2 files". I mean, it may well be, but unless you are gonna come down here and configure it all up for me (because i know for a fact going from blank system to router is not that simple) and show me these 2 files then leave unix out of the question.

So then we are back to 2k.

Now this is slowly heading to YET ANOTHER holy war as to what OS we should use.. (which *nix ditro ?) so lets stop that here.. No more rants as to which is better... just straight answers to questions.

My current setup has a nice little modem router that is so easy to use is scary.
You go to one of the many internal machines, set its gateway to be the IP of that router, give it a dns server and thats it.. www, ftp, icq, anything. all works seamlessly.

Now if winroute does that, I`ll go 2k.. for now.. but the reason i`d like a hardware box to do this is that this router has NEVER crashed. EVER. But 2k does. as does NT 98 and all MS products, and *nix does from time to time.


So the question is ... How good is winroute?

Can is act as a straight gateway (i.e. bung it in as the default gateway in TCP/IP and everything works ?) ?

Does ICQ (or AIM / MSM / YIM) work seamlessly ?

How much control do you have over redirecting ports ?

and does it Firewall ? or do i need to run somthing else (Zone alarm or Black ice) in paralell ?

I know i could download it, but i`d like an experienced response. Or an alternative.

Cheers WK.

[afty]

Originally posted by WhiteKnight
this router has NEVER crashed. EVER. But 2k does. as does NT 98 and all MS products, and *nix does from time to time.


Well, we have rebooted our 2k box maybe 3 times since we finished configuring it correctly, and this is now... about 2 months.
Worth noting we run mySQL, MS SQL, pgSQL, IIS with lots of extensions, a web cam with auto updating and auto FTP, FTP server, remote control software, somewhere in the order of 12 websites (most not on public display) and various other jiggery pokery including distributed clients (sometimes) and DNS-changers.
Oh, and it's the central file repository, and as I have a **** CD drive I play my films from the DVD drive on the server across the network, which fires up the DVD software every time I change a film as Im too lazy to change it.

Basically, 2K is stable as feck. 95% of developers and sys admins worth their salt will tell you that 2k is an excellent kernel and OS in general, and by far the best MS product yet.


Originally posted by WhiteKnight
So the question is ... [b]How good is winroute?


Winroute is smart. Im using winrouteLite304h.
If you can't find it, I'd be happy to email the trial *cough* version to you.

Originally posted by WhiteKnight
Can it act as a straight gateway (i.e. bung it in as the default gateway in TCP/IP and everything works ?) ?


Exactly what it does. All basic activities (browse, mail ftp, most games) are supported with no further config. Some obscure games which require open inbound ports before the client proggy behind NAT initiates the ports (read Dplay games from M$ ******s) can be configured to work with a few minutes and some good information.

Originally posted by WhiteKnight
Does ICQ (or AIM / MSM / YIM) work seamlessly ?


My 21 year old FEMALE marketroid flatmate manages to get some of these qorking without asking for help, so I guess so.


Originally posted by WhiteKnight
How much control do you have over redirecting ports ?


Lots. Choose any port (or range) and which PC to direct it to (including self if you want to run servers / services)

Originally posted by WhiteKnight
and does it Firewall ? or do i need to run somthing else (Zone alarm or Black ice) in paralell ?


Running NAT there's almost no reason to firewall assuming the NAT ROUTING PC is locked down. Disable file sharing over TCP/IP (use NetBIOS), network printing etc. Not hard to do and good procedures anyway.

Effectively Winroute acts as a firewall (I think they even market it as one now, check winroute.com). It adds no perceptible latency (even on a heavily loaded NAT machine) to my connections.

It's worth noting that with a very unlikely set of information and some genuinely exceptional skills a black hat hacker *could* bypass NAT to access devices on your inner network.
For a home user, they won't.
Realistically, they need alot of inside information.
This is the realm of information warfare, and I've reccomended that even my company do not worry themselves about such routes into the network.

I know i could download it, but i`d like an experienced response. Or an alternative.


Tis my reccomendation, more info? Just ask ;)

[KermitTheFrag]

Sorry - too much slashdot and caffiene today :D I'm wonderfully unhelpful in that state...

> So then we are back to 2k.

If you are using Server/Pro edition then it has a half-decent built in ICS system. If you are using advanced Server then it will do proper NAT. Just wire up your ADSL modem, install the drivers and view the contents of the sharing tab on that adaptor's configuration property page. The rest is self explanatory. Client configuration just requires setting the server box as the default gateway and putting the ISP's DNS servers IPs on the clients. Use the ADSL modem adaptor's IP security options in TCPIP to deny all incoming connections on all ports for basic unstateful firewalling. It's `quite' secure.

Hope I was more help this time :D ...

[WhiteKnight]

Afty: *fluffles* :D Security isnt one of my main concerns but it would be useful. Some more questions below.

Kermit: No probs.. like i said.. i see where you are coming from, and you are obviously an avid *nix-er so i think i`ll be e-mailing you regarding a test machine i`m starting to play with prety soon. :D
One thing tho Kerm.. Its all well and good you saying "I`ve got cable and its great, dont get DSL" when you have the option. Down here in south hampshi7e we only have DSL so we have no other alternative.
NTL cable wont be available for months (if not years).


Anyway... More questions:

Does the Win route lite demo *cough* have a limit to the number of connections it will allow ? (3 user max ?)

Does it have a remote admin mode? (Web admin ?)

Whats the advantage of the full version versus lite ?

Afty: Are you running 2k server or 2k pro ?

Cheers WK.

[Edited by WhiteKnight on 8th May 2001 at 15:54]

[KermitTheFrag]

WK - I though Hampshire was a TeleWest area? They should have cable out there unless you live in the middle of no-where...

[WhiteKnight]

Nope.. hampshire is NTL (ex. Cable & wireless) and due to the conversion all rollouts have slowed to a crawl.

An even if it wasnt, i`m right outside Portsmouth (most densly populated city in europe) which is why i`m so pi55ed about this whole thing.

WK.

[Edited by WhiteKnight on 8th May 2001 at 16:05]

[KermitTheFrag]

Ahhh - I feel sorry for you :(

Mind you, with this link to The Reg, I'm wondering whether NTL was a good idea. Possible Time Warner deal. Then we'll get the service level of Road Runner (terrible in other words).

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/7/18789.html

[Edited by KermitTheFrag on 8th May 2001 at 16:13]

[WhiteKnight]

Hmm another reason to be careful which one i choose.

Well i think i`m gonna go this route..


ISP = Demon
Device = USB
Cost = £50 / month

O/S = Win2k + Winroute


Does 2k server require IIS to be installed seperatly or does it come with it ? ( I want to host a SMALL web site on this machine )

Afty:

Can winroute map ports specific ports ? and are there limitations?

So if i had 10 machines i could map port 65001 to machine 1 and 65002 to machine 2 etc.


Cheers WK.

PS: Afty.. My ICQ is 14360726. Could you send over the "demo" :D

[KermitTheFrag]

IIS 5 is available on all Win2k media with unlimited client connections on Server and above. Make sure you delete the iissamples and the printing and all that garbage out of your wwwroot or the invitable crackers will bite your ass like they did at work. Oh, make sure it's got all the hotfixes too...

To install it, just go to add remove programs, select add/remove components and select it in there. It's much cleaner than WinNT4 and the option pack and then the numerous service pack reapplications...

[Edited by KermitTheFrag on 8th May 2001 at 23:15]

[WhiteKnight]

Looks like i`m gonna have to take the pluncg and place my head on the chopping board of 2k..

AhhhHh!!!!

Ahem..

WK.

[Cabe]

the sound you make is more of a...


nnnnggggaaaaacccccccaaaaaaakkkkkk (kinda like a cat choking on an insane bugie)

[KermitTheFrag]

LOL :D.

Our wish our cat would eat next-doors budgie (it's had it's eye on the li'l ba5tard). Then I'd really know what that sounded like :D

[WhiteKnight]

Bugger..:( :( :( :( :( :(

Demon arent offering the home package just yet... i`m on their contact list for it tho...

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[wishy]

Is anyone using the port forwarding on Winroute Pro? I've got it all running nice, much better than the proxy it replaced. I'm getting a problem with the port forwarding, it just doesn't work on for FTP or WWW (Port 21 and 80)
Am i missing something? WWW is running on IIS4 on the NT server. GRC.com says the port it open.

[afty]

Sorry, I had problems getting winroute pro to work correctly (recognise adapters) so can't really be of much help.

One question though, if WR pro is not configured correctly, perhaps it's passing ALL port 80 requests to the local machine, or perhaps IIS is receiving on port 80, and winroute never sees those packets?

[wishy]

Routing is working well, Fast enought, better than I-share, which is a sorta weird proxy. I get something on the security window if i try to open, mind you i get those most the time.

[Say_Ten]

I got it working without any real problems. I couldn't use 127.0.0.1 though and had to use the adapter address. If that's any help.

[wishy]

Its to the fileserver i want to send the requests, not the router

[Cabe]

heads up peeps, for all thouse in the portmouth area NTL are gonna be sticking up availability dates.

"...and remember keep watching the ski's..." :D

[KermitTheFrag]

...and NTL in Hertfordshire and Essex have been completely f*cked since 2 days ago. Their DHCP is playing up so theres no service for me. I managed to squeeze out Win2k SP2 and then it blew out again AND I had a fecking clan match last night!!!

[Cabe]

ick! thats the first time i've heard of a problem with cable.

[KermitTheFrag]

Their system is working half normally now. I mean I can forward mail to their smtp relay but it seems as though the rest of the internet is gone :(. No other services work and I cant get to my web server (and outlook web client) from work :(

[Cabe]

dare i ask how you posting? Dial-Up

[KermitTheFrag]

No I'm behind a 38Mbit ATM to Telehouse. I'm at work you see :D

[Cabe]

38Mbit ATM to Telehouse....hunnnnggaaaaaa

[KermitTheFrag]

Well it would be if 1000 people werent downloading pr0n on it... I'm getting avg 9k/sec which is crap. Plus it's irritatingly proxied, firewalled and generally pants.

[Cabe]

Uuummmmmmm 38Mb

ATM any good as I don't tend to be able to use it often ;)

hey kewl i can even edit this post, kewl :)

[Edited by Cabe on 15th May 2001 at 10:33]

[MONK]

Hey thats not you that was me!!!!!!!!!!! :(

Stop taking my voice!

[Cabe]

humm VERRRRRRYYY Intersting

[KermitTheFrag]

Apologies:- This post has been removed because I f*cked it up :D

Damn my brackety language attempts...

[Edited by KermitTheFrag on 15th May 2001 at 10:43]

[Cabe]

hehehe

[WhiteKnight]

Ok cabe.... where is this frigging Cable modem bollox then ?

You said they`d be doing some sort of announcement...

[SmartMonkey]

My Cable modem wasnt working, but after a quick play I found this out: -
NTL's DNS seems to be "pointy bits up" at the mo, I find mine works fine as long as I use the demon dns (158.152.1.43).
Oh and as long as you know what the IP they last gave you was you can enter it all manualy and use fixed IP (hint my IP address on cable hasn't changed since Jan 27th).
and if you want to play with the modem settings just pull it up in your web browser on 192.168.100.1

Laters
SmartMonkey

[KermitTheFrag]

FYI, NTL have had a major master DHCP server crash in the last few weeks and their DNS relays are playing up (possibly corrupted by false updates). I spend a whole hour arguing with them the other day as we couldnt get anything outside our own network.

[wishy]

Is anyone here using Satalite? I hear you get about 2-3mbps downlink, trouble is you get about 3kps uplink.

[Cabe]

i doubt it, its useless for playing games as the delay between request and start of download is SOOOOO long (think about the distance) but when it does, WOOOSH!!!!!

last time i checked someone was booted for a ping of 400 :(

[wishy]

Depends how much you like online gaming really. Its £90 for a year including decoder card + software. You need a modem and ISP (IE freecall net access, cos you aint gonna want to keep it running at a cost) and a satalite dish, which i have no idea about the price of.

Got a mate on ICQ who pulled down 18 gigs in a night

[KermitTheFrag]

So great for Usenet pr0n feeds?

[wishy]

Sounds good, MP3 & DivX FTP + PHAT PIPE = MMMMM

[Cabe]

i have a hunch that "Phat Pipe" is supported by a "Phat Wallet"

[wishy]

I've got a hunch the provider sells in Euros and pounds are very strong against Euros, Hence £90 a year with Decoder and software chucked in. You need a sat dish and modem / ISP and your away