my Final Draft of a upgrade (last advice plz)

[WazMeister]

Here is what I will finally get and upgrade too, main reason is to run Quake 4 smooth because jerking around is really hard to play.


Shuttle XPC SN25P Barebone
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...oduct_uid=90528


AMD (San Diego) Athlon 64bit 4000+ 939pin 1mb L2cache Retail Boxed Processor With 3 Year Warranty and Fan Included.
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...oduct_uid=88106

Gainward PowerPack! 7800GT Ultra/3400PCX 256MB GOLDEN SAMPLE! PCI-E
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/in...oduct_uid=94659

Now someone has the above shuttle and betetr gfx card and same CPU and said the PSu and heat is not a problem because shuttle pcs are made with pure quality to run it all fine with no problems.


Some other people said I'm crazy if I put that hardware in the shuttle.. it either melt or won't even run off the PSU.
I know if I had a desktop I'd need a 500w PSU mopre than likely but I thought that shuttle was made for the hardware I want?!?!?!

I really need a shuttle so i can travel with it more.... Am I wrong in doing to do this and melt it or is it fine?

I don't see point of this shuttle if It can't run a 64bit 3700 or more or a good gfx card whats point of the PCIE?

All advice is greatful!

[SilentMike]

Ive seen quake4 play on pretty high settings with a resolution of 1280x1024 and it ran very smooth

This was with a barton 3200+, 1GB of ram and a 6600GT.

And yes, getting that cpu, isnt that overkill for a shuttle? :D

[WazMeister]

really?

Itas made for 1gig L2 cache and the 4000 is only one thats got it the san diego.

So what would go in that without melting or being under powerd which run Q4 flawless?

Come on people advice!

[Minidisk]

this would support it:

Linky (http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=188&page=1)

[JeRkY]

shuttles will run that fine...unless your unlucky

[Quietus]

http://global.shuttle.com/Support/SupportList.asp?Item=SN25P&ver=SN25P%20(FN25V1.x,V2.x

Would seem to indicate that the SN25P will happily support your processor. Now, from personal experience I happen to KNOW that the SN25P has NO PCI-X power connector so you will need to use an adapter. Most decent graphics cards (like yours) will come with an adapter that converts 2 standard molex connectors to a PCI-X connector. However, the SN25P only comes with 2 standard molex connectors, so if you plan on using a standard HDD or Optical drive in your shuttle you will need to get a splitter cable.

[Bowser]

Just to put your mind at ease about the PSU. Im running a SN25P shuttle with a 4400, 7800GTX and 2 WD raptors installed and I have no problems at all :) not even with heat.

As Quietus has pointed out about the PCI-x power connector using spliters doesn't cause any problems either.

[WazMeister]

So just to clarify...

IM safe to use that setup in that Shuttle?
it won't melt.. it won't oer heat and be under powered?

How does the 350 watts surpport it all?


And could you explain again about the Molex?

Im guessing the power supply has stanard molex plugs and nota pci E one?

So i gotta get a PCI E adaptor cable... and then another adaptor cable to plug in my DVD+RW and HD?

Am I right?

Do overclockers or ebuyer sell these?

[WazMeister]

Originally posted by minidisk
this would support it:

Linky (http://www.amdzone.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=Sections&file=index&req=viewarticle&artid=188&page=1)


That one seems pretty crap, does nto even have a PCI E 16x its only 6x.

[WazMeister]

Can I not pliug tjhe PCI E adaptor on one standard molex and then get a Y molex adaptor and put that on the other to have 2 molex adaptors?

one for DVDRW and my ATA HD?


Do i need a molex plug for the cpu fan/psu etc..

Crikeys how I gonna work this one out lads?

[Ch3m1c4L]

could just use the edit button instead of loads of posts....

looks like the hardware will be fine, shuttle psu's are just well errr ive heard there really good lol

you will need a molex-pci-e convetor, this will use 2 molex connections to power your gfx card, obv this is a porblem since you only have 2, get 2 splitters, plug one in, use one of the splitter cables and the other free molex to go to pci-e, then on the other end of splitter 1 plug the other splitter to use on your dvd and hdd

____HDD
__Splitter2----|____DVD
P----Splitter1----|____
S |_
U---------------------------Convetor---gfx

i think thats what they mean by using splitters


stupid diagram, looks fine in my window before i post......if you move the top 2 lines along so the line before splitter2 lines up with the | after splitter 1 then it should make more sense

[Bowser]

Molex 'Y' splitter cables. you need 2 of these.
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=57662

The PCI-X power connector for you GFX should come with your card like mine did.

I agree with you on the Biostar SFF, it does look pants.

Oh just another thing, 2 out of the 3 HDD's that you can fit into a SN25P need to be SATA or you've got bob hope of getting them in. Plus there is only 1 PATA port.

[Zenith]

Originally posted by MINS
So just to clarify...

IM safe to use that setup in that Shuttle?
it won't melt.. it won't oer heat and be under powered?

How does the 350 watts surpport it all?


And could you explain again about the Molex?

Im guessing the power supply has stanard molex plugs and nota pci E one? What I CAN tell you is that this Shuttle system has been designed from the ground up to accept TWO PSU's. One for the mainboard and general hardware, and another PSU for powering twin SLI PCI-E graphic cards.
As seen on this nice piccy here...
http://eu.shuttle.com/en/resourceimage.aspx?rid=4076

The large fan grille is for the CPU/system blower, the two smaller grilles at the top are for the PSU's, and the two slots to the LEFT are the PCI-E sockets for graphic cards.

This is the Shuttle.com link for their 300W PSU (PC50)...
http://eu.shuttle.com/en/Desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-123/241_read-11352/

It's pricey though. Microdirect have them for £62.75 inc.VAT
http://www.microdirect.co.uk/ProductInfo.aspx?ProductID=10573&GroupID=0

[Quietus]

Sorry Zenith, but you've got confused there. The SN26P is Shuttle's SLI one. The SN25P has only one PCI-Xx16 slot.

[Zenith]

OMG! I checked the Shuttle site again and it seems that they're using the same image for the back of both the SN25P and SN26P.
The write-up tells you that the 25P has one 16x and one 1x PCI-E slot.
The 26P has two 16x PCI-E slots.

An honest mistake on my part based on misleading images on the Shuttle site. :)

[Siany]

I have a 7800GT in my SN25P and the highest GPU temperature to date was 58 degrees (which is apparently totally normal :) )

[JeRkY]

Originally posted by MINS

Crikeys how I gonna work this one out lads?

stop worrying, just buy it, it will all work.

as some one said, most gfx cards that need them, come with the molex-> pci-e adaptor.

[WazMeister]

Sounds cool

So I use 1 spitter on the molex cable, plug in the PCI adaptor and card.

Then plug another splitter in to have 2 more ?
or so I need another splitter

Sorry but I'm little confused again.


Also the above post says about 2 PSU.

Do I have to buiy another PSU for this to all work then?

[Bowser]

Ok

The way mine is setup is using 2 spliters going from the original 2 molex that are on the power supply. That gives me 4 molex connectors, 1 goes into my IDE HDD, 1 goes into the DVD-RW, the other 2 power my PCI-X GFX card through the PCI-X 6 pin connector that came with it.

If you are using a SATA HDD instead of a IDE one you will only need one spliter as there is a spare SATA power connector from the PSU

Does that make it any clearer?

[WazMeister]

It makes it clearer but do I not need a molex plug for the PSU/FANS in it?

[Bowser]

No, all the fans inside the shuttle are run off the main board so they can be controlled from the bios for speed settings.

[WazMeister]

coool

Just to confirm as I don't wanna buy this and be screwed.

All that hardware will work fine in this shuttle with the PSU etc?


Hope so! i ordering it soon!


Also do these 64bit CPU install diffrent to the old XP chips?

What about the BIOS? Im used to setting it all up for old XP 3000 etc...

[Bowser]

Your specs will be fine. Read my 1st post.

Installing XP is no different then any other system, unless you are using raid 0 then you need the floppy disc with the drivers (comes with the shuttle) on and F6 on load up.

[WazMeister]

Don't mean installing XP.

I mean XP of CPU type Im used to
XP3000

Are the AMD 64bit same to setup in bios than the 32big XP3000?

FSB wise and stuff or are their other settings?

[Bowser]

The CPU is set by bios. although with my chip I had to flash the bios cause it didn't understand it being a dual core.

[Minidisk]

Originally posted by MINS
That one seems pretty crap, does nto even have a PCI E 16x its only 6x.

its a typo, and yes this one does look a little **** ;/

[WazMeister]

I read this in a review-
4x Serial ATA. For EIDE drives the motherboard still features an ATA 133 interface via which CD or DVD drives can be operated.


About the case.

Well I've got a WD 80gig ata133 8mb cache HD.

and a DVD+RW

do I plug the HD in on the ata serial and put the DVD+RW as a slave???