Not really about i8 but...

[Phiebs]

Hi,
I know that you see all these cancer things all the time, but as one of my friend's mum just died of cancer about 6 months ago, I feel that this is probably one of the best ways of looking for a cure and participants.
It is a little program which uses your SPARE cpu space to calculate a tiny section of a molecule which theses people are working on. It would take hundreds of years to do on one single computer, so by all of us doing it, mayby we can make a difference.
You can still play games and stuff cause it uses your spare CPU space and takes up NO net bandwidth untill it updates to the server (once every 24 hours and only a couple of K/bytes)

Please help
We can make a difference...

http://members.ud.com/vypc/cancer/

Just read it to find out more and then click on Download on the left about 1/2 way down..

Thanks....

[Wizzo]

I can see the MPUK distributed.net team moving across to this... has team rankings and stuff too... more info as I find it :)

[werewolf]

hi

i've already moved from Seti to this.
My aunt died of thyroid cancer (about 2 years ago), and my mum had breast cancer (about 12 years ago), so i always support Cancer charities when i can.

With luck it wil help out, more help than Seti I expect.

[Phiebs]

Thanks a lot for the support Wizzo and werewolf.
By the way - back on a gaming note - this morning, on the big breakfast was none other than SUJOY playing a 12 year old at Quake 3. Any guesses who won? Well the kiddie got all the games they played (which I cannot remember). Just thought you would like to know...

[WhiteKnight]

I`m on the case :-)

Got my work machines second 266mhz pii cpu working on it 24/7 :-)

[Phiebs]

Thanks a lot guys - mayby Wizzo could set up a clan in it for us all to join - the best at the moment is about 300 people in one team - lets try to beat it????

[Wizzo]

Have already fired up a team for us "Multiplay UK" (surprisingly) :D, and begun migrating across some of my processors in the server farm here. The annoying thing is the UD client doesn't support multithreading or SMP architecture, meaning it only runs on one processor. Easily solved with dual systems tho... just set the processor affinity for the UD client to the 2nd processor and Dnet to the 1st processor... and hack away at both contests to your hearts content.

Time to get advertising this... I'm sure we could get a huge team... will include in the next newsletter that goes out.

[Nexus]

Well I've joined the team along with most of the workstations I maintain :-)

[DCHlilo]

id wait until linux client is up, you can always emulate the client to do SMP support, (not stricktly smp but you get same results)

Im moving across to multiplay team now, I was on register.co.uk team but they are lame ;o),

Its my view distributed.net is pointless anyway, its just showing how strong that encryption is, heh, Goverment agenceies have the algorithms hardcoded onto supercomputers anyway and can crack most stuff within 2hours, plus PGP isnt exactly secure since openpgp was found to have a major bug in it, its always quicker to hack it than crack it.


I bet i 0wnage cancer before everyone else,


tis a serious subject though, who gives a feck about aliens and rc5, i signed up for this as soon as it came out,

mike

[Phiebs]

Just to say thanks a lot people! Didn't really think this would drum up tis much support - thanks Wizzo!!

[Thistle]

i saw this on tele..was going to signup..so i think ill join mpuk:P

[mob-assassin]

1Ghz beat will be on the case :D

I'll maybe run it overnight all the time. I hope this actually works

[WhiteKnight]

The website is being a bit flakey at the mo, maybe it got slashdotted..

Also, i have seen many people having problems running it on Win98 so if possible run it on 95, NT, ME or 2k.

[Nexus]

I've got 15 or so machines crunching away - two have completed chunks, and they appear on my personnal tally - but not on the team results - ffs this sux0rs

[Wizzo]

Yeah I've noticed that they don't appear on the team tally either... despite several results coming from the server farm here. Wonder if we're missing a setting?

[Phiebs]

I've contacted them and they say that they didn't expect this kind of response and have A LOT of people accessing the site and downloading (slow site problems) and they also have a slight problem with intermachine updating - the team stats is hosted on a different box than the normal stats...
Please just be patient :p

Thanks again fot your support...

[Wizzo]

Well it seems to be back up now... and some results are now showing for the team... seems to be coming along now :)

[Strych]

I'd just like to extend my personal thanks to everyone doing this. My mother had cancer since I was 2, and died of lymphoma 6 days before my 17th birthday. I wouldn't want anyone else to go through anything like that, and its great that we can start to work towards finding a cure for this terrible thing. I think it is great that everyone can make a real difference.

Thanks again guys. I'm sure I speak for everyone who has posted on this thread when I say it means a lot.


~~ Strych ~~


PS - link to the siggy, vvv lets get everyone doing this! vvv

[Edited by Strych on 7th April 2001 at 02:04]

[Big Giant Head]

rah joined :)

[GameGuru]

More than willing to support such an ambitious project, and although my computer is 27% of the "Comparison Device" I know I'm still helping :)

[Big Giant Head]

yeah but if you look at the comparison device its a 1.5ghz p4 ;)

Mines only at 57% of it

[MONK]

On my 200 machine it reads.... 13!

But then again its saying this the network part is sharfted as my 10/100Mb network card reads as 8 compared with some intel pro thing can't read the rest......

[Scarr]

This is quite strange, yesterday while it was processing it rated my machine as 47 compared to the 'High end desktop system' and now i get 939.

I looked through all the other bits and it seems my network score is now 449 :)

good to see the team is now up to 16 members

[MONK]

Do I have the same card as you, the bloody little one?

[Wizzo]

Direct URL is http://members.ud.com/services/teams/team.htm?id=43CC466B-6A3C-42CC-AABC-E399FD541CA3

Will be posting this on the main MPUK site and including a stint on it in the newsletter when we send out. I say we 0wn all the other teams :)

Server farm now merrily crunching away (well half of it as the damn client only uses one processor)... we should rise through the ranks in no time :)

[Equinox]

Ive joined...
should have about 8 machines running it for Multiplay soon..
but would like to know how to get it to take advantage of both processors on a dually.

Thx

Equinox

[Scarr]

Yes Monk it is the same little card as yours. Only difference between us is i have completed one unit and you haven't (even tho it doesn't show up in my stats yet)

it might just be that when i sent results back, my net connection was running real smooth. yours might go up when you send your results in.

About the dually thing, i don't think it is possible to use both processors with it yet. When the Linux version comes out, they say it aill have some SMP support tho

[Scarr]

ok, my device is back down to 46 again :(

my network score is 4 now, instead of 400 odd. Must have been a glitch in the software

[Cabe]

Consider me joined

Overall 47

Nutwork card is at 8 and I have the same RealTek jobbies as Scarr and Monk
so i just might not like these cards.

Oh Storage says 1Gig, when i got 20+ gig sculling around, anyone know why?

Wizz, cant you get 2 instances of UD to run? one fer each proc.

WK, you gonna get the farm on this?



[Edited by Cabe on 8th April 2001 at 22:55]

[Ford Scrote]

joined - also joined mpuk team.

i get the 1 gig thing too. hey ho

3 out of 4 of my grandparents died of cancer.

i am, in certain, circles, known as King P1mp - i shall be p1mping this like mad. don't know if i'll get people to join mpuk team - but that doesn't really matter.


FS

[WhiteKnight]

Can i just slap team [CSH] (Monk, cabe, and scar)

You lot should have realised that the Network speed is between YOU and the UD server.
So the ideal machine is plugged into the same 10/100 switch as the UD server, but you are on the end of a modem !

Your lan card has F**k all to do with it. Unless you use a router like me, but then the speed is still throttled by the wan device (modem, isdn, dsl), so stop being silly ! :D


As for the 1Gb thing, its how much you have allocated to the UD agent. You specify this in your device manager on the UD website (https://members.ud.com/services/devices/devices.htm)... its how much disc space is reserved for potential storage.. somthing to do with distributed backups or sommint, but its nothing to do with the cancer research thing.

and Cabe, i`ll be farming this as soon as the "Desk of Doom" is complete :D

[Edited by WhiteKnight on 9th April 2001 at 16:08]

[MONK]

And they were thinking.... what.... :sheep: when they coded that?

Who rights software that does not check first of all what cards you have and 2 how you are connecting!

Monkies!

I have just spent a good 8 hours on one molecule and didn't even get a hit :( and considering I got 5 hits within the first 15% and I am on 35% now I am not impressed :(

Although the graphic is quite nice from time to time ;)

[Wizzo]

hehe... yes the fact that hits relate to points gives some interesting results... like Whiteknight having got more points than me despite my having returned some twice his number of results... interesting :)

[werewolf]

i think it awards points on CPU time, not units.

[Cabe]

rAH™

phear me for i have 20 hits, and accordion to this a PIII 1GHz :) gotta love the "Hey its a PIII with ony 128k working cache!" Celly2's :)

[Phiebs]

OK
Just to say LOVE the response, and I think I could be onto a possible patch to run it in multi processor environments... watch this space..


Tell everyone to join MPUK in it and OWN the people who have the 'A UK PC Against Cance' one...

Many thanks again for the response...

[Cabe]

Hey no prbs, i think everyone here knows someone directly affected by cancer, i think the national average is about 1 in 3 of us will suffer/know someone who has sufferd from Cancer in some from.

[MONK]

Yeah but my processor is in no way close to cabe's but he is on 94% in 3.5 hours and I am on 34% in 29 hours so results depend on how complexe the molecule.

[Cabe]

Phear Me, hehehehe :)

[Wizzo]

One of my machines (BOF's but he is listed as himself on there) has been going for 122 hours on it's first block. It's a Celery 433 but my K6 350 has submitted like 3 blocks in the same time. It's on a very 3d molecule right now and has been all day... so I guess it very much depends on the complexity of the molecule and the interactions.

[Cabe]

does look that way but mu current module is at 98% aqnd holding for the las 20 mins or so, just racking up the conformers.

[Big Giant Head]

Mine got stuck on 92% on one of them for the best part of a day

Found something like 3 million (when I last checked it) conformers for that molecule

I've finished 2 chunks now and it still doesn't show anything in that little window at the top right

And the website says I haven't returned anything

Odd

[Wizzo]

Highest I saw one of my machines get to was 350 million conformers!!!

[Equinox]

182 million and climbing..... for the second consecutive molecule..... i think I have the unit from hell .. hmmm 4th place on the multiplay team seems reachable ...

[Equinox]

Maybe a Multiplay UK UD forum is in order???? or we going to try and go for the worlds longest thread?

[Big Giant Head]

I'm up to 110 million and still rising :)

[Wizzo]

Ok a new forum is needed under the Technical Forums category :)

[Equinox]

damn.. thats good service :) ... hmm need more computers !! never gonna catch wizzo!

[Phiebs]

Jeez - never thought this idea of mine would eventually have its own FORUM let alone team :E

Just keep owning all :p

[Wizzo]

We've had a distributed.net team for nearly a year now Phiebs and you weren't the only one to spot this UD thing on the news. Hardly your idea alone :)

Moved this thread to a new forum.

[Phiebs]

I know Wizz m8 - just I started this thread and I'm rather proud :p

Anyway - keep those moleculey thingies going......

[MONK]

I was expecting popular power worker to come out with a version first.

I have now seen 582 million conformers! :eek:

[MONK]

Make that 850 million! :eek:

And soon

Best Dr Evil voice

"one billion conformers!"

sad sad muppet :D

[Big Giant Head]

Only a cheapass american billion ;)

Incidently I have 1000 million conformers on my screen atm

and still rising.....

[Big Giant Head]

Hmmmm well it might be 1000 million

I can't actually read the numbers properly they're moving too fast

Might be 163 million

[Equinox]

lol :) i thought that was quick m8 .. u only had only a 100 million odd this morning :)

[MONK]

That took 12 hours to finish it and I could not stop it for that long :(

this is one issue they really need to fix!

[Big Giant Head]

why couldn't you stop it?

Does it reset when you do?

Cause that would explain my complete lack of results :)

[Scarr]

The program only saves when the percentage completed changes. That only changes at the end of a molecule, that means if you get a "Molecule From Hell" as they call it, you just have to leave it running till it completes it, or lose all the work since the last save

They say they are working on the long molecule problem, so at some point you shouldn't get any MFH's any more

[Cabe]

I tell ya, ive never seen a DistComp problem like this, the first 5% took 8:30, im now on 9:12 at 89% i mean how does this thing work that out?

[Phiebs]

Cabe - In response to the 8:30 thing only 5% - I think it analyses the parts of the moloecule, so if one part is WAY more complicated then obviously it will take longer? Not sure about this, just my thought.

Plus - you can restart your box and it will carry on - done it many a time? Never had a problem with that?

K33p th3 l337 MPUK UD b0x3z runn!n :0

Laters maters...

[Scarr]

I think the main thing with it taking a long time to do a few percent sometimes it this

The program only updates the percentage counter when it finishes a particular molecule. This means, if you get what they call a "Malecule From Hell" of MFH, it might take literally hours to work it out, but have done the work equivalent of 80% of a unit.

[Phiebs]

I kind of get your drift - guess I havn't had any MFH's then! Well I am really p1ssed off now...Cannot goto SL5 because it is BANG in the middle of my exams (thx Jay) and I cannot goto i8 for all the days because I am on f00king holiday till saturday, so sunday mayby if I am lucky? God am I annoyed!!

Well thats my rant for now :-)

[MONK]

Cabe get some reading skills!

You try 100 molecules and there is 100%. Yes that is 1% for 1 Molecule!

So if you're molecule is taking 12 hours it will still only go up 1%!

[WhiteKnight]

Hey monk thats what i was gonna say..

Cabe, you probably just had 84 very easy ones and 1 VERY hard one.

[Cabe]

more than likely, tis my first MFH. Oh and which Bastard broke UD????

[D0c]

The block that I got is well weird! I got a supposed MFH and have been stuck on 56% since about 2pm, then it's suddenly shot to 77% WTF?

Hmmm... it must not like B&W :D

[Phiebs]

Originally posted by Cabe
more than likely, tis my first MFH. Oh and which Bastard broke UD????

Broke UD? WHat j00 0n a|30u7 j00 n00|313 ?

[Scarr]

D0c, the reason it suddenly shot to 77% from 56% is because (as i've said before) the percentage is only updated at the end of a molecule. If the molecule you were processing was equivalent to 21% (is my maths right?) of the unit then it will jump from 56% to 77% at the end of that molecule.

[Phiebs]

Yeah - thats a pretty good explanation m8. I was going to say that but I couldn't put it into words cause /me is thick :-)

:smokin:

[WhiteKnight]

Erm..

Scarr: There is no way for the computer to know how much processing is involved in each molecue until its processed it.. so how can it determine how many % the remaining molecules will use ?? A: it doesnt...


You get 100 molecules per batch (1.8mb worth). each molecule = 1%

Molecule number 56 in you batch was a MFH and thus took ages.

Molecules 57 to 76 were non-starters (completely not gonna fit.) so it skipped em or they were very simple.

Number 77 was a bit more complicated so it stalled there for a bit so this is why you noticed it.


Simple.. No maths or anything involved.. read the website it helps.


[Edited by WhiteKnight on 18th April 2001 at 01:49]

[SmartMonkey]

ok I have signed up another machine but there is just one thing that disturbs me! it says that My celeron 600 is a PIII running at 925Mhz!
SmartMonkey
(and B4 anyone says, yes it is overclocked but not that High)

[Phiebs]

SM - the proggie isn't that good at the moment - lots of bugs, because it is only 2nd release. If you e-mail UD with the exact specs and bug, I'm sure they could help..

:smokin:

[SmartMonkey]

ah Phiebs,
checkit reports the same No's. guess the FSB clock on the Mobo is Kind of approximate.
Oh and My PPro 200 comes in at 24% of thgere reference machine! LOL
SmartMonkey

[Scarr]

Ok, sorry, i stand well and truely corrected

[MONK]

Maybe corrected but not well and truely corrected that is for later ;)

[Scarr]

Oh dear

Monk, you saying that makes me well and truely glad i'm back in reading, many a mile away from your sick and depraved mind!! :D

[Cabe]

you may say that, but you have to come home some time :D

[SmartMonkey]

Scarr,
being in Reading does not mean you are safe!
I live in Reading and I too have a sick, twisted and depraved Mind!
Laters
SmartMonkey

[Scarr]

Damn, forgot about you SmartMonkey :)

I think i'm cursed, whereever i go, there are always sick depraved people wanting to do nasty things to me!

LORD, WHY DO YOU FORSAKE ME!?!

[MONK]

Simple reason really......

[WhiteKnight]

and that would be ... ?

[Cabe]

He is also sick and depraved, thus he has been forsaken.

[evil multivoice]JOIN US!![/evil multivoice]

[WhiteKnight]

Rrriiiiiiggghhhhtttt........:eek:

[Scarr]

If becomming sick and depraved means i have to become anything like you Cabe, then i'm out!

[MONK]

Out of what?

[Cabe]

Out of Luck :)

[Phiebs]

Just to say that I live in reading to, and I am just like SM as I have a sick, evil and twisted mind ;)

[Scarr]

Damn, more sick twisted people in the reading area.

Monk, when i said i was ou, i meant i was not going to become anything like cabe.

[MONK]

Unlucky!

[Cabe]

You already are... BWAAAHAHAHAHHAAAAAA

UNDERLING!!!
KNEEL BEFOR THE OVERLORD OF THE OTHERWORLD!!!

Ahem :)

[Scarr]

Pheibs, do you ever check your ICQ?

I

[Scarr]

Does anyone else get this weird thing where their Start button's picture goes odd? When i have opened up the Ud proggy my start button gets a image which looks like a picture of the entire screen thats been shrunk to that size.

Very odd. Its probably my version on Win 98 thats shafted tho :)

[Edited by Scarr on 28th April 2001 at 20:43]

[MONK]

No..... it's just you!

[Cabe]

No Martin mine did it too, it "Artifacts" yeh, its the nVidea and your chipset (VIA?). Weeeell sheeeit boy, i got the solution, and its its coming on a CD-R :)

[Scarr]

Cheers Cabe, i feel relieved its not just my comp being completely shafted like usual.

The chipset is VIA. My new geForce 2 MX Dual head should be here by the end of the week too :)