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Maak
23rd August 2005, 09:47
biscuit or cake ?

A guy at work is trying to argue that Jaffas are biscuits and I say they are cake.

firestorm
23rd August 2005, 09:48
Cake

no friends
23rd August 2005, 10:05
Cake, its all in the name!

Baroness
23rd August 2005, 10:12
The legal way to determine (according to European regulations) is:

'cake' goes hard if left out

'biscuits' go soft.

There are actual whole stupidly long legal arguments on it, iirc.

I have no idea what the answer to your question is, however, as I don't eat Jaffa Cakes (I think I am the only person in the world to not like them....).

:)

Edit: "The position of Jaffa Cakes as a VAT free product was once challenged in court. McVitie's defended the classification of Jaffa Cakes as a cake and not a biscuit by producing a giant jaffa cake; showing that their jaffa cakes were simply mini cakes. Secondly they argued that cakes go hard when stale, whereas biscuits go soft. If you've ever left a packet of jaffa cakes open for long enough, you'll know that they go hard, thus proving that they're cakes."

Say_Ten
23rd August 2005, 10:18
They used to be cake like, I'm less convinced these days, they seem awfully dry.

Maak
23rd August 2005, 10:18
its true, I have presented the person at work with this arguement, yet he refuses to beleive they are cakes.

Baz
23rd August 2005, 10:35
just bought 72 jaffa cakes in preperation for i25

they are CAKES

TheDon
23rd August 2005, 10:41
Surely if they were biscuits and not cakes then you could sue them for misrepresenting their product? Seeing as no one has, then they are clearly cakes.

If your friend is so sure they are biscuits tell him to sue mcvities, if he refuses he must be acknowledging the fact he'll lose and so acknowledging that they are cakes :p:

Zatoichi.uK
23rd August 2005, 11:21
Tried raspberry jaffa cakes? Mmmmm..... :)

maxrealism
23rd August 2005, 12:00
How many biscuits are made of sponge?

I think (possibly incorrectly) that Jaffa Cakes are spongey and that makes them qualify as Cakes.

Although they're made by a biscuit company.

PRINGLES
23rd August 2005, 12:14
CAKE

RocketKnight
23rd August 2005, 13:58
Jaffa Cakes. There shouldn't be any arguments. :p:

Interesting point about cakes going hard and biscuits going soft, hadn't thought about it like that.

thory
23rd August 2005, 14:21
Ironically, someone mentioned this at work recently. They are, indeed, technically cakes - all due to the aforementioned "biscuits go soft when stale, cakes go hard" argument. It all comes down to VAT, as cakes = VAT (due to them being "luxury" items) and biscuits = no VAT.

Personally, I just like eating them. Lots of them.

KingDaveRa
23rd August 2005, 15:46
They're cakes!

IIRC the box says something about '24 cakes' or however many it is.

jaffy
23rd August 2005, 16:36
well i think i should have some say

they have always seemed biscuit like to me, but there is overwhelming evidence to suggest its a cake :x

i hate em

Neon
23rd August 2005, 17:02
Cake

Bootz
23rd August 2005, 17:19
Originally posted by Zatoichi.uK
Tried raspberry jaffa cakes? Mmmmm..... :)

omg!! i hope they arent limited edition so so many nice things are.

Bootz
23rd August 2005, 17:20
Originally posted by PRINGLES
CAKE or death?

Joey
23rd August 2005, 18:01
erm... cake please

AcidUK
23rd August 2005, 18:05
JAFFA, CREE!

(Apologies.)

TimmyNoShoes
23rd August 2005, 18:35
I always thought it was "crie" :S

AcidUK
23rd August 2005, 18:47
Originally posted by TimmyNoShoes
I always thought it was "crie" :S Yeah, I just googled with a few spellings and went with the most popular one :)

Killy
23rd August 2005, 18:48
cake... :rolleyes:

Jez_Gafys
23rd August 2005, 19:39
there was a legal dispute about this many years ago. It was all based on whether or not there should be VAT on Jaffa Cakes (something to do with Chocolate covered biscuits have VAT added but cakes don't)

"For example the infamous UK Jaffa Cake case. Biscuits and cakes are considered a necessity by UK law and are zero rated. Chocolate covered biscuits however are a luxury and subject to VAT at 17.5%. McVities and HM Customs & Excise3 argued over whether the Jaffa Cake was a cake (no VAT) or a chocolate biscuit (lots of VAT). The argument had to be taken to a Tribunal (kind of like a court) to be resolved. In the end McVities baked a 12" Jaffa Cake which convinced the Tribunal Chairman of the general cakeiness of the Jaffa Cake."

Cabe
23rd August 2005, 20:36
I must find that recipe.

VonFaceless
23rd August 2005, 21:11
So they bribed the chairman with a giant jaffa cake?

nice

Gunsmith
23rd August 2005, 21:15
lol

Pingman
23rd August 2005, 22:20
The legal case was over tax, biscuits have to ahve VAT paid on them because they are a luxuary item, apparently cake is not, thats why the french at it when they ran out of bread :rolleyes:

Any way, i believe the legal case was won by Jaffa cakes to still be a cake wit hthe line " bisuits crumble, cakes don't" or something of that effect any way

Personally i can't eat more than about 3 with out feeling sick :|

Baroness
24th August 2005, 08:56
*so* disconcerting when people change their avatars.

RK[CLL]
24th August 2005, 09:01
tbh they're nice, thats all that matters!!

no friends
24th August 2005, 09:45
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BREAD CAKE BREAD CAKE