when zombie shooter arcade games go bad

[LozB]

this just goes too far..

click here (http://www.kontraband.com/show/show.asp?ID=2349&rtn=main-topten)

now i want a go! :)

[Steadders]

Darren Brown? i remember watching that on tele, i couldn't beleive it was real.

[Silk75]

Now that IS good

[TE-Hellfire]

There is simply no way they would be able to conduct that without first asking the participant to sign a release form.

Why were they so sure he was going to use the gun and not use physical violence instead?

[Zeuseh]

lol fantastic!

[WhiteKnight]

2 things.

1) they probably had a nice big disclaimer on the game (you know the kind that no-one EVER reads).

2) the game was designed with hypnotic sugestion. So far in the game, he had only had the one gun as an option, and it had been proven that the gun killed the zombies. When he was placen in the new building, his mind assumes that everything he`s seen up till now is still true, as the place looks the same, and he has a gun in his hand.

However, the chances are if he did do somthing un-planned, they`d probably just all back off, and calm him down.

[FL1X]

very good would have enjoyed it lol
darren brown is just disturbing really lol

[winbar]

Its derren you peons!

[TE-Hellfire]

How do you know it isn't a typo on his Birth Certificate?

[RocketKnight]

I don't understand how flashes on the screen are supposed to send you into a trance. You see that sort of effect in the cinema, or the strobe effects in nightclubs for example. Does anyone know how the technique demonstrated in that clip is supposed to work?

[TE-Hellfire]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't flashes of light; more flashes of suggestive images and text.

[TimmyNoShoes]

I wanna know why his "friends" didnt beat the **** out of Derren from word go.

[Murray-Mint]

It's Derren. It says say on this Derren Brown "Something Wicked This Way Comes" programme that he signed.

[Elbonio]

its ****ing faked why cant people understand that


same with david blaine

[TimmyNoShoes]

Originally posted by Elbonio
its ****ing faked why cant people understand that


same with david blaine

Well i have to admit i do have my doubts about stuff like this, but i try to keep an open mind, i suppose the other word for it is gullible :rolleyes:

[WhiteKnight]

RocketKnight: Its the timing of the flashes, the sounds, and the imagery that, when timed properly can induce a trance or state of hypnosis.

Or at least thats the theory.

At the start he clearly points out that it doesnt work on all people. You have to be somewhat open to sugestion.

The friends didnt do anything, because they were "mesmorised" by the cameras. Most people tend to be "rabbit in the headlights" when faced with a TV crew.

Also, you dont think that was the first and only person that they tried do you ?

As for the it being faked... well yes, i can clearly understand that, and tbh, i am EXCEEDINGLY sceptical of some of the stuff that these people do. However i`ve noticed that Derren is a bit different in this respect. A LOT of what he does is "social engineering" combind with a small bit of hypnosis and slight of hand. And more importantly, he tends to explain how a lot of it works, which satisfies my inquisitive side.

As with David blaine, however, unless i see "magic" with my own eyes, close up, with the ability to question what happened i wont belive it.

People cant levitate... its just that simple... so when Blaine did that on TV, he either had a LOT of beans for lunch, or theres somthing else at work.

[winbar]

Me, Murray-Mint and Pumpkin all went to see Derren brown live, we saw it with our own eyes(not the same trick, but his general act)!

[GeeDee]

Yes, i've seen Derren live.

He does do some pretty amazing stuff even for his live show. I still remain mildly skeptical at some of the stuff he does and the way he portrays what he does to his audience, but he can definately do the hypnosis stuff, send people to sleep and he can read people like nobody else.

[Neon]

Woah, thats simple one of the most amazing things ive ever seen, the guy doesnt even realise

[Elbonio]

magic is illusion


Derren brown and david blaine are both magicians - albeit with an image of being something else - but this you see is the illusion.


Its no different to the first time magicians started sawing people in half - im sure if there were forums then we'd see a thread about "omg this guy can saw people in half!"


I cant believe how easily people think this is real. Common sense surely would tell you that its entertainment.


A computer game that can send people into a state of catatonia - that sounds a little too far fetched for me. And it all went a bit too well - good job he didnt wake up when they put him on a stretcher and wheeled him through the streets of london! And isnt it good that nobody at all interfered!


And its amazing how he managed to hold that gun whilst unconscious!



It's staged, it's entertainment - the illusion and the magic comes in making you believe it's true...

[Ryvita]

I saw him in a shop in London about a month ago and had to resist the temptation to run away screaming. A very scary kinda guy.

Ryv

[AcidIce]

Originally posted by Elbonio
its ****ing faked why cant people understand that


same with david blaine


i'm generally sceptical of crap like this, but it isn't fake. hypnosis can be used instead of/supplimenting anaesthetics for surgery. plus when a teacher at my school was at uni derren brown turned up and hypnotised the su bar and they were all so pissed before hand that he couldn't wake em up and had to call paramedics. so there - must be true!

[Optimus]

A famous hypnotist (can't remember her name ;)) came to my uni during freshers week when I started uni, and she picked random people out of the crowd...
Some of the things she made them do would NOT have been done willingly...

[TelexStar]

Originally posted by Elbonio

good job he didnt wake up when they put him on a stretcher and wheeled him through the streets of london! And isnt it good that nobody at all interfered!


You'd be surprised how the majority of people would do NOTHING if they saw something weird in the street. Don't forget, people in the street would've been able to see the sound boon (sp?) and cameras + crew. They'd immediately assume it's some TV show being filmed.

Originally posted by Elbonio

unconscious!


Being in a catatonic state and being unconscious are two completely different things.

[Drarok]

Re: David Blaine.

I know EXACTLY how the levitating trick was done.

I won't post it here, as I have a habit of pissing people off explaining how tricks are done. But if you wanna know, find me on IRC :)

Edit: Oh yeah, I saw the zombie thing on TV and assumed it to be faked. I geneerally don't believe hypnotism is all it's claimed to be, more that people that want to believe it's real will MAKE it real.

[Steadders]

i got this e-mail at work, normal stuff you would get, but it worried me that this could have happened in this zombie experiment:

The FBI had an opening for an assassin. After all the background checks,
interviews, and testing were done there were 3 finalists. Two men and a
woman.

For the final test, the FBI agents took one of the men to a large metal
door and handed him a gun. "We must know that you will follow your
instructions no matter what the circumstances. Inside the room you will
find your wife sitting in a chair. Kill Her!

The man said, "You can't be serious, I could never shoot my wife." The
agent said, "Then you're not the right man for this job. Take your wife
and go home."

The second man was given the same instructions. He took the gun and went
into the room. All was quiet for about 5 minutes. The man came out with
tears in his eyes, "I tried, but I can't kill my wife."

The agent said, "You don't have what it takes. Take your wife and go
home."

Finally, it was the woman's turn. She was given the same instructions,
to kill her husband. She took the gun and went into the room. Shots were
heard, one after another. They heard screaming, crashing, banging on the
walls.
After a few minutes, all was quiet. The door opened slowly and there
stood the woman. She wiped the sweat from her brow

"This gun is loaded with blanks" she said. "I had to beat him to death
with the chair."

[andyf]

I have a problem with hypnosis in that I don't know what the subconscious mind has as 'limits'.

Those old Paul McKenna shows, lets assume they were real and not fake.

Paul hypnotises someone, then tells him to do something or pretend to be something. What if the person he's asked doesn't have any conscious knowledge what he's supposed to do/be? Does his unconscious mind just 'do its best'? Wouldn't he just do nothing at all? That's why I'd automatically assume its fake.

[CyberDrac]

Originally posted by Steadders
i got this e-mail at work, normal stuff you would get, but it worried me that this could have happened in this zombie experiment: The nature of the game was to condition him that the only weapon that worked against these 'zombies' was a gun, therefore the risk of him using any other weapon was much reduced. I have attended a hypnotist show with someone who is a great unbeliever in such things and was out to prove how un-hypnotisable they were ... however they were still very suggestive to his influence and able to be 'put under'. I have no doubt that the right pattern of flashes can induce a near-hypnotic and suggestive state, it is amazing what gaps the human brain will fill in to make a situation 'make sense' to itself.

CD

[Thrud]

In part of my weir and varied job I also do the sound and lighting in a club....

www.twisterscomedyclub.co.uk

... anyway... we have a hypnotist perform every week...

He claims he doesn't hypnotise them, they hypnotise themselves, and his "suggestions" just seem like really good ideas... BUT people will only do things if they aren't against their normal morals.

However, what he does, differs from normal hypnotism... hypnotism that has been used for centuries in medicine etc.

It's strange, but it works and is very, very funny!

[Hg]

still it makes good tv

[Squeeb]

I love the way you're all such bloody experts on hypnotism all of a sudden.

"It's fake" "No it's real because I saw so and so do this and that .. " "No it can't be because i'm, blatently, a neurosurgeon and I know that the certain waveforms of suggestive images and blah blaah BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!!" ..

ffs.. can't you just accept that it's entertainment!?

[Cabe]

Originally posted by Elbonio
A computer game that can send people into a state of catatonia - that sounds a little too far fetched for me.

http://www.70meglogfile.co.uk/more.php?id=27

NEXT!

[CyberDrac]

Squeeb ... stop trolling ... people are recounting what they have experienced and seen with their own eyes in a surprisingly balanced debate, they are expressing their opinions and enjoying the to and fro of a quality arguement, there is no need to turn it into a flame war.

We have had at least one person comment that it is good entertainment, and I would also agree on that point.

No-one has claimed to be an expert, no-one has claimed to be a neurosurgeon, almost every account has been of something someone has witnessed at first hand or been involved in in some way.

This has proved to be an interesting debate, and whilst I feel that have to defend everyone's right to say whatever they want because of the nature of the freedom of speech that the Internet endows on people, I cannot help but feel that it was, at least in part, a blatent trolling attempt and that you should consider directing your vitriolic attacks somewhere else. I love the idea that people disagree, but it is my belief that your post was a unnecessarily harsh.

CD

[Squeeb]

it just looks like one huge argument, to be perfectly fair.

[Drarok]

It WAS a pleasant discussion :P

[andyf]

Zombie game! (http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/rebelwithoutapulse/index.html?q=stubbs)