the worst hero in the game

[Joey]

having just played what i can safely call the least enjoyable game of dota ever i have come to the conclusion that "Slithice the Naga Siren" is the worst hero in the game.

mirror images: what a waste of time, they hardly do any damage, have no hp whatsoever and they don't really confuse anyone (you're usually the one running away)

ensnare: yeah great a 5 second stun. except they're not stunned. they can still attack, and cast spells. they just can't move. so great, you ensnare a melee hero, have to go right up to him to attack and you get the crap kicked out of you. great.

crit: oh class, a 45% chance of a 1.5x crit. probably the best ability but still a waste of time really.

song of the siren (ulti): it's good for running away i suppose, all units in a large area get put to sleep. but they're invulnerable so you can't really do a great deal. yes it's a good "support" spell, but all those other heroes on your team who do the real damage and have useful spells are the ones who get the kills.


if i ever get this hero again i'm gonna quit, i don't care if it gets me banned tbh

oh, and for reference this was a repick - i originally got given the antimage against a team without a single int hero

[DaeMord]

:o
Naga is FANTASTIC when played right.
ive seen him go on insane killing sprees with those illusions and can quite happily stop creep rushes and farm for insane cash with them.
I will say i would have thought item build is rather important with him, and for that there are far more experienced players than myself, either way round i would say not a bad hero at all, there are significantly worse hero's
Oh and the Anti-Mage where as great against int hero's, does rather well against the whole field now, as i have heard his damage has been upp'd and since everyone has mana, yeh he is not bad anymore, and personally would have happily stuck with him.

[Afty]

Just for reference, the anti mage isn't as bad as he used to be, but if you're facing down alot of agility heroes, I would repick him. He's EXCELLENT vs. Int, acceptable vs Str but mostly loses to other agi heroes.

As for Slithice well... you should have been at StratLAN. I got her in the first "handicap" system we played. All was good with the world.

In addition, she's actually a character I've picked before in an AP game... Not *THE* best, but definitely tier 1.5

[Killy]

anti-mage is win, i would never repick him :p:

[her0n]

oblivion is a bit naff :( not sure on naga... haven't had her too much..

[Lucifa]

I've found Naga to be a great solo ambusher when I;ve played her. Come in from trees, net to stop the hero, use images, surround the hero and then crit hero to death in quick time.
The antimage I've never really played, but (this is all theory here) I would have thought he was very bad against int heroes? Mana burn only burns about 64 mana per hit? Surely against a mid/late int hero with 1500+ mana this isn't going to do a lot.
I would have thought he would actually be best early/mid game against str heroes with their very low mana. I mean how nasty is the sandking without his stun or epiccenter because he has no mana?
Not to mention that everytime I have played the antimage his ultimate never ever seems to work.

[Afty]

Originally posted by Lucifa
The antimage I've never really played, but (this is all theory here) I would have thought he was very bad against int heroes? Mana burn only burns about 64 mana per hit? Surely against a mid/late int hero with 1500+ mana this isn't going to do a lot.While you're right, that a mana reserve of 1500 is annoying for him if the enemy hero keeps it fairly full - it will rarely be a problem. If the antimage is in a lane with an INT hero then he will be about 5 levels above the int hero, and have a crap load more money ;)

He's definitely not my favourite hero, but I will DEFINITELY keep the Antimage if the opponents have at least a couple of int heroes ;)

[Joey]

agreed

plus there's nothing more entertaining than having the slayer hit you with her ulti and you standing there and laughing because of your insane magic resistance

[Joey]

oh, and pugna owns, stick aghanim's scepter on him and his ulti becomes insane (with a ridiculously low cooldown to match), if you can get a dagon early he can wipe out practically anyone because of the increased magic damage from his banish (or whatever it's called) spell. and his area nuke is pretty cool, and nether ward has been seriously buffed (the range on both mana flare and the "no mana regen for you" aura is now huge, and is very effective at shutting down practically all heroes)

tbh his ulti is fairly hax anyway, the number of times i've gone 1v1 on him and lost because all the damage i'm dealing is countered by him siphoning 120 hp/s or whatever it is...

[Afty]

Yeah, Pugna is reasonable, and one of the few chars that should make a dagon early.

[Killy]

with the anti-mage and mana burn the thing you're forgetting is that it's not meant to be used as really anything other than to get a bit more damage for his ulti which fully powered does the mana MISSING plus a bit as damage, so if an int hero has just used all their mana trying to kill someone, you port in smack a few times and if they run then just use the void, late game the anti-mage can get an insane attack speed :)

[Afty]

Originally posted by Kil88
with the anti-mage and mana burn the thing you're forgetting is that it's not meant to be used as really anything other than to get a bit more damage for his ulti Not true! If an INT mage, at around level 5, has used half his mana he only has around 300 or so left. You can blink in and start hitting him, by the time he gets a spell off even if he reacts quickly, you will have hit him at least THREE times... so thats half his mana gone. There's not alot you can cast for 125-150 mana. The AM is so quick and attacks so fast, that most int heros can only flee... if they're not near a tower, it's usually death.

In addition you can nip in, hit them a few times draining 200-300 mana then blink out. Do this twice and their mana is mostly empty without them casting a spell... that's pretty significant.

[Lucifa]

You ****s.
You could have told me the antimage's shield was now passive :(
I got in a public AP game and chose him. I didn't pick up the shield until level 10-12 and then thought it was bugged because it wasn't turning on so I didn't pick up the rest of it until the 20's when I finally realised :(
Still, I had a good game, apart from the 3 guys who left on my team and one on theirs. I was facing Crystal Maiden and Nerub Assassin on my lane, with the Dryad and another in other lanes.
I'd blink in, get a few hits on the maiden, void her and blink out. Either she died or was on low hp and ran off.
Later game after the leavers and their items sold for cash, I got myself Burize, hyperstone and power treads and was able to finish off any of them if they were solo.
Will try him again tonight.