File sharing networks responsible for users actions

[RocketKnight]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4627679.stm

Well this is bad news. Does anyone else still feel that the 28 movie and music makers that brought the case to court need to consider WHY people aren't willing to pay for their products? For example I still think paying £5 to see a film at the cinema is a rip off when you consider you could buy it for just £12 and watch it whenever you like in the comfort of your own home.

[Shazz]

Originally posted by RocketKnight
For example I still think paying £5 to see a film at the cinema is a rip off when you consider you could buy it for just £12 and watch it whenever you like in the comfort of your own home. [/B]

this is whyi havnt been to the cinema for about 5 years, i wait till a DVD for it is out, and watch it when i want, how i want and as much as i want.

[Say_Ten]

Some films are just worth seeing on the big screen though.

[Shazz]

yes, and i shall be seeing that new batman film in a cinema.

[Tsung]

Does this then make Microsoft responsible for supplying the tools enabling people to copy the films/music?. I mean the majority of file sharing programs run on windows, thus, microsoft is assisting in the crime?

[KingDaveRa]

As is Intel and AMD by providing the processors used to help rip this stuff.

[Blood Sport]

just shows u who runs the courts in the US now, big companies :mad:

but its the US court not UK,

[RocketKnight]

True but I bet if some companies tried it over here they'd be successful because we don't want the UK to look like its lagging behind America. :rolleyes:

I think if these companies start suing file sharing networks then the file sharing networks should sue them back. I mean, if these companies weren't making films and music in the first place then people wouldn't be able to share them on p2p networks! :p:

[andyf]

Originally posted by Shazz
this is whyi havnt been to the cinema for about 5 years, i wait till a DVD for it is out, and watch it when i want, how i want and as much as i want.

Originally posted by Shazz
yes, and i shall be seeing that new batman film in a cinema

! stick to your principles, man!

[Exegesis]

i think it's obvious the multimedia companies are struggling to hold onto the last threads of their business. it's already evident that their sales are declining and are not expected to return to their former glory.
you can't control multimedia... you CAN'T.
if someone wants it, they can get it, live with it.
there are ways to make this work, but they aren't willing to change.

[Neon]

Its called Capitalism, as long as someone can make money out of it, then someone who threatens to take that money away, will be crushed, expunged and generally attacked untill they go away.

This is seen in all facets of society, unfortunatly there is nothing you can do about it.

[DjArcas]

"If there's an outbreak of thievery should the authorities pursue the makers of ladders or chisels because burglars use them as tools of their trade? If there's a spate of armed robberies, should gun makers find themselves in court?"</quote>

[wolfnet]

I remeber seeing in a mag a few months ago that they had put a tax on computers, around 8 quid, in germany cos you was able to copy music and DVD's

http://www.itweek.co.uk/news/1160276

[Elbonio]

i dont object to paying money to see a film at the cinema


i object to paying £5.50 for a hot-dog and a drink (though they are very generous with the drinks at cinemas i must say)

[andyf]

Originally posted by Elbonio
i dont object to paying money to see a film at the cinema


i object to paying £5.50 for a hot-dog and a drink (though they are very generous with the drinks at cinemas i must say)

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[Zatoichi.uK]

Yeh it's painful forking out over £10 to see a film and drink some watered down syrup..

I suppose it's justifiable, at least by me, that in comparison to going out for a meal or getting wasted it's fairly cheap.

And yes some films HAVE to be seen at the cinema for the full effect.

[bvark]

Ah, more geek revolutionary crap.

Are you guys seriously suggesting that a company that makes money deliberately and knowingly facilitating copyright theft (as Grokster did) should be allowed to operate unchecked? That's what the supreme court decided on (URL to the opinions in the other filesharing thread), and the opinions indicate that the 'betamax' copyright test may not be applied to non-commercial efforts like BitTorrent.

A lot of these companies want to offer PPV TV and Movies, but they want to do it on *their* terms when *they* think the technology is ready, and since they invested the money creating the content, who are you to say otherwise?

As for 'it's impossible to prevent people getting it', the cable MSOs in the US and Sky in the UK have waged long technological and social battle against theft of their broadcast media, and if you can decrypt the current gen of digital satellite and cable for free, certainly it's kept a lot quieter than the previous generation.

[10acious]

How many people here, can honestly say they use p2p programs for legal downloads, more often then they do to engage in piracy?

[maxrealism]

Originally posted by Exegesis
...
you can't control multimedia... you CAN'T...
if someone wants it, they can get it, live with it.
there are ways to make this work, but they aren't willing to change.

Originally posted by 10acious
How many people here, can honestly say they use p2p programs for legal downloads, more often then they do to engage in piracy?



If they stop all file sharing (yeah right) then it'll just go old school style. You see something you like.. you ask for a copy of it. CDr Sales will increase....

On the otherhand I don't condone illegal file sharing and it's damned hard to have a pc and go against the flow that says "if you can get it for free... why pay for it". Case in point... MS Office. It's very expensive. £140ish. I want to use Word and Excel... M$ should drop the price to make it more affordable. To 'get' a copy I could just pirate the works version and key. That'd be wrong... but I'd be £140 up.

[Freelance]

Originally posted by 10acious
How many people here, can honestly say they use p2p programs for legal downloads, more often then they do to engage in piracy? i can. i quite honestly say that the things i use are either (properly) free, or i buy them

[TE-Hellfire]

The solution is THUS:

1) You realise that virtually all the latest films are cash injected, braindead re-hashes of tried, tested and raped-for-all-eternity ideas that contain the same plot twists, the same unrealistic CGI and the same actors in every film portraying the same characters. Cinema is just a cash cow.

2) You stop listening to big label artists and make the effort to find out more on your local bands and musicians who are often as good as the famous folks but lack the cash to get their music out.

If you ask me, these massive media companies are funded by lazy people who lack the initiative to seek alternative forms of entertainment than plying them with cash(although I am also one of them).

[Zatoichi.uK]

I don't use any illegal software at all.. ok bar roms which technically are copywrited still.

AVG free, Open office, Zone alarm etc.. they all do a good anough job for me so b0ll0x to paying for it.. ;)

[Grimmeehh]

either way there needs to be more options to the consumer, £5 for a cinema ticket is bad.

I only ever go to the cinema to see some of the huge films each year.

I like to watch films, ones that i wouldnt buy or go to the cinema to see, where is the download equivalent of "renting" a dvd?

[Say_Ten]

£5 per cinema ticket is bad but you don't really know the costs. Yet I suppose you'd pay £30+ to see your favorite band? ;p

[Kibit]

Originally posted by bvark
and if you can decrypt the current gen of digital satellite and cable for free, certainly it's kept a lot quieter than the previous generation.

You can, but its not as simple as just doing the card anymore you have to buy a card/box together and that card will not work in any other box.

The cards now also auto update thus turn themselves back on once cable/sky knock them out.

[Steadders]

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2005/20050225l.jpg

Also i think the the main reason why people are downloading films and music instead of buying it is because it's free.

[Zenith]

Originally posted by Steadders
Also i think the the main reason why people are downloading films and music instead of buying it is because it's free. Free as in speech, or free as in beer?

[bvark]

Free as in beer.
There's no inner belief that the products of other people's creative labour need to be free (as in speech) in the rest of the entertainment world, and anyone who believes it for TV and Movies is delusional, and possibly needs to read a lot less Slashdot.

[porsche]

So how many people have downloaded something (film/album/game) under the excuse cinemas/CDs/games are over priced and then paid what you think it's worth?

Ever downloaded a film, watched it and donated £1? People do it because they can do it practically risk and morally free. Something for nothing.

-Porsche-

[TheDon]

I'm still scratching my head over this ruling.

"It means the makers of a technology have to answer for what people do with it if they use it to break the law."

That is a VERY dangerous position for the supreme court to take.

"We hold that one who distributes a device with the object of promoting its use to infringe copyright ... is liable for the resulting acts of infringement by third parties."

That makes slightly more sense.... but I've yet to see any p2p network promoting it's use to infringe copyright. Most of them have the old paragraph saying not to use it for that (while not actively enforcing it) and don't all out say "come here to get your free movies and software!"

[Say_Ten]

Does this mean that the postal services are next?