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Njoroge
14th January 2005, 07:58
# General tip
Don't be afraid of the slopes. Learn to fall over while moving at a snails pace. If you ever get out of control, just fall over. Be confident!

# Beginner skiers
Think "body attitude". You don't turn with your legs on skis, you turn with your body. Make sure you have your weight on your front foot (the one furthest down the slope). Turning happens first with your body, your legs will follow - aim your body where you want to be and don't lean back.

# Beginner boarders
Think "body attitude". You don't turn with your legs on a board, you turn with your body. Make sure you have your weight on your front foot (the one furthest down the slope). Turning happens first with your body, your legs will follow - aim your body where you want to be and don't lean back.

# Board turning tip
As an aid to turning you can use the +/- technique thing which starts with having boths arms extended fully by your sides. (Left / right refer to regular, if you're goofy switch them). You're on your heel edge; your left arm is pointing up the slope and your right is pinting down. You want to turn so you rotate your body so left is pointing forward and right is pointing back; your turn starts. Rotate your body more (concentrating on keeping your weight on your front foot) so your left arm is now pointing forward in the oppisite direction. Do the same for the toe edge turn.

# Ski / Board tip
Weight on your back foot = falling over on every turn. Remember that.

# Intermedite ski tip
The easiest wasy to achieve parallel turns is to bob. At the end of your last turn you'll be crouched. Straighten a little while turning your body across the slope; your skis will follow (honestly!). As soon as the weight has transfered feet (at the point you're facing down the slope) crouch again. Basically it's straighten - turn body - legs follow - crouch - straighten - turn body - legs follow - crouch etc. The crouch and straightening only has to be slight - the effect is that while you're transfering edges you have much less weight on either them so your turns become much easier. You can practise in slow mo.

# Advanced ski tip
Using the bobbing technique above you can achieve very very fast turns (>2 / sec). The premise is to do the same but at the end of each turn you already start to move your body back to turn the other way. This means that your skis follow your body straight away but they are accelerated by the spring your have created in your body. If you keep turning like this you find that your head is always facing down the slope and the movement of your shoulders is perfectly out on synch with the movement of your legs. You should (if you're doing it right) feel the stretch of your body much more than normal.

# Intermediate Carving tip
Carving is about confidence. You can't carve slowly - well, it's bloody difficult; you don't need to carve quickly per-say, but you can't be a wuss either. The carve is define by 2 things - the steepness of the slope and the radius of your ski. Race carvers have a large radius and are very stiff and slightly longer, other carvers are short, have a small radius and are very bendy. The best carving slopes are generally blue runs (with the exception of the massive green run at les deux alps at the very top - that was an awesome carving piste). This means you can have fun carving while staying in control of your speed. Anyway... To carve you need to lean - really, that's it. First of all leave your poles at the top - you don't need em, they'll only get in the way cause you'll start relying on them. Face down the slope (none of this 180 turn, 180 turn never facing down stuff). Get a little speed up and then when you want to put in your first turn, lean into it. It helps to have your arms out like an airoplane I find. To turn left reach forward and left with your left arm and try to touch the ground. DO NOT SLIDE THE TURN. While you lean you'll turn. To stop you stop leaning. To go back the other way you lean right - again - try to touch the ground. Concentrate on not pushing your turns - that's not carving. You need to lean until the ski is turning for you and stay there. Leaning more will mean you start pushing it and you lose your carve, leaning less will just widen your radius (eventually changing your direction). Like parallel - you don't move your skis. Snow sports are all about your body attitude - remember that if nothing else.

Gifted
14th January 2005, 08:35
ski tip = Dont ry and grind poles on ski's! ;)


ask nj for demo

her0n
14th January 2005, 08:36
For uber beginners: Don't expect everything to come natually and immediately. It will take a lot of practise and you may find that whilst some things 'just click', other things you have to persevere at.

Ryv and Andyf, I want to see you both up the mountain, making some nice linked turns by the end of the week, I think that is more than achievable! :)

Gifted
14th January 2005, 08:54
most important

dont eat yellow snow

bvark
14th January 2005, 09:55
Some tips from me. My lawyer asks me to point out these are all at your own risk :-)

- One piece clothing appears practical but this must be offset against the fact you look like a c***

- Putting weight on your front foot is a lot easier if you are comfortable bending your knees. Most boards have a forward lean adjuster that will force you to bend your knees at all times if you're having trouble.

- You should spend some time playing with your binding angles as you improve to find what suits you - the 'default' of 25/15 is not for everyone.

- For absolute beginners, as well as working out whether you're regular or goofy, you also need to work out if you're a heelside or toeside person (which do you prefer to start off with). Eventually you have to learn both

- Don't watch my technique for tips - it's pretty awful

Njoroge
14th January 2005, 10:04
I've heard that a good way of deciding if you're regular or goofy is to do the following 2 tests:

1) Which foot is at the front when you slide on ice?

2) Stand up straight with your feet together and get someone to shove you from behind. Which foot do you step out to stop yourself?

If foot = left you're regular, right = goofy.

My answers to the questions are:

1) Right
2) Left

Go figure :)

Pingman
14th January 2005, 10:51
Originally posted by her0n
For uber beginners: Don't expect everything to come natually and immediately. It will take a lot of practise and you may find that whilst some things 'just click', other things you have to persevere at.

Ryv and Andyf, I want to see you both up the mountain, making some nice linked turns by the end of the week, I think that is more than achievable! :)

they may find this hard to do on a snowboard lol :P

her0n
14th January 2005, 11:35
and why would they?

it's perfectly possible to link your turns on a snowboard.... a right turn and a left turn in succession is a linked turn.

you on the bad crack again pingman?!

Njoroge
14th January 2005, 11:44
Thankyou for voicing all of our opinions her0n - you saved us from the hypnotic density of his post

her0n
14th January 2005, 11:50
you're more than welcome :)

Pingman
14th January 2005, 14:35
But snowboard takes ages to learn doesn't it?

her0n
14th January 2005, 14:38
They say that skiing is easy to master the basics and harder to improve... whilst boarding is the other way round. However if you have been learning to board with proper instruction for 5-6 days then the least progression i'd expect to see would be linked turns.

Unless you are the world's biggest peen. (Which none of the skitrip lot are :))

:D

phil
14th January 2005, 15:04
Originally posted by her0n
Unless you are the world's biggest peen. (Which none of the skitrip lot are :))
:D

Not this year ....

afty
14th January 2005, 15:10
Originally posted by her0n
However if you have been learning to board with proper instruction for 5-6 days then the least progression i'd expect to see would be linked turns. To be fair, 5-6 days of tuition would cost more than the holiday itself!

Njoroge
14th January 2005, 15:28
An aussie friend of Psym and I who before a few weeks ago hadn't even seen snow has been boarding for abour 4 days now. No one could say with a straight face that she's not total ****e, but even she has linked a turn or 2.

Mingtea
14th January 2005, 15:55
Originally posted by Pingman
But snowboard takes ages to learn doesn't it?

I was linking turns within 3 lessons, it's the main thing you learn to do.

Pingman
14th January 2005, 16:20
ok fair enough, i was just under the impression that snow boarding was like loads harder to elarn than skiing, then again it has all come from forien SKI instructors lol

Ryvita
14th January 2005, 21:37
You're really starting to scare me here. Will I actually enjoy this holiday or will it *all* be embarrassing "being **** and falling over" pain?

Ryv

afty
14th January 2005, 22:09
Your first (full) day, with tuition will involve huge amounts of falling over. Ideally you will have spent 5 mins or so with the boarders *LEARNING* (I kid you not) how to fall safely on snow, the day before.

Your second day will probably involve quite a bit of falling, but you will manage to pull off turns and get down the slope a fair bit before you die horribly.

The third day should involve you possibly, if you're REALLY REALLY careful getting down a full green or blue run without falling. Occasionally.

By the end of the week you will be able to handle blue runs without falling very often at all. You may even be feeling like the challenge of a sexy red, at slow speed.

So yes, the first 48 hours will involve lots of falling, AS LONG AS YOU PUT THE EFFORT IN in the first couple of days, it will rapidly start to get easier.

Note, if you have previous skating skills, and you want the easiest start, I suggest you consider skiing.

Boarding is hard to learn, easier to master - skiing easier to learn, harder to master. Not everyone agrees, but the consensus seems to be beginners find it a bit easier on skis. Harder later though...

Ryvita
15th January 2005, 00:06
Hmm, feeling a temptation to jump ship and ski rather than board if it's going to be a quicker pick-up... Remember that I have broken week too, leaving on Wed. Lunchtime for iterview hell, returning Friday morning.

What's the general thought?

Ryv

sh0ckwave
15th January 2005, 00:45
The way i learnt to board at tamworth was 4 separate sessions:

1 hour falling safely / toe edge
1 hour toe / heel edge
1 hour toe / heel / falling leaf technique
2 hours recap and linked turns

First time i did it, i nailed toe quite quickly but spent an hour on my arse for heel.
8 months later i attempt again and get both, then progressed nicely through falling leaf to linked turns and entire sessions without an ass plant.

In theory you could pick boarding up in a day ... I would say though if you've not done anything like it before, it would get quite tiring on the muscles doing it all at once!

As for the boarding / skiing debate, i'm for boarding... skiiers always look so bored unless they're hurling themselves down blacks :)

phil
15th January 2005, 00:50
Originally posted by Ryvita
Hmm, feeling a temptation to jump ship and ski rather than board if it's going to be a quicker pick-up... Remember that I have broken week too, leaving on Wed. Lunchtime for iterview hell, returning Friday morning.

What's the general thought?

Ryv

The general thought is that you stop being a big girl with all your faffing and worrying, get on the board and get down the slope.

;)

afty
15th January 2005, 01:07
Originally posted by Ryvita
What's the general thought? The general thought is that you should have rescheduled your interview.

Skiing would probably be quicker to pickup, but boarding means you can learn alongside andyf, and shoulder the burden of tuition costs between you, rather than individually.

her0n
15th January 2005, 09:00
Once you can snowplough turn on skis you can go pretty much most places on the mountain, speak to silk ryv, as he was kinda at that level last year (well he'd had tuition prior).
If you can skate you should learn to ski.... then try out my snowblades :D

andyf
15th January 2005, 09:43
board, ryvita, BOARD

Ryvita
15th January 2005, 09:46
Hmm, I feel a poll coming on.

Ryv

Njoroge
15th January 2005, 09:54
Utter noobs on skis: You have 2 legs, balance, while not easy, is more natural.

Utter noobs on a board: omfugger! splat, on my arse again.

Saying skiing is easier to pick up isn't quite true - it's easier to start getting somewhere quicker on skis. I reckon it's quicker to get to a level where you can be proud of your acheivements on a board quicker.

All in all I would say listen to Psym's advice.

Silk75
15th January 2005, 10:39
Ryv

Last year was the first year I had skiied at all, ever.

I had had some dry slope lessons some years previously, but only a couple. I had had 2 lessons at XScape Castleford (indoor ski/board centre) in the weeks running up to the trip.
These lessons were definitely not enough for the trip though.

I could snowplough in a sense of the word, but the lessons had entered my head, just not through to my body if you get my meaning. Theory is fine, practice is all.

NJ and others kindly gave me some direction on the first couple of days, in the mornings then left me to practice, but I did not heed their advice properly, and ended up going too fast without a lot of control, or too slow and cautious so again no control possible.
In short I should have a had some lessons there.

This year I have had a couple of more lessons, including a day of dabbling at snowboarding, and am glad to say that I have remembered the better things about last year, without a lot of the bad habits. These extra lessons have reinforced NJ and Aardvarks advive from last year, and helped me seem better controlled.

As ever the acid test is in the mountains, not on a 15deg smooth slope in a snowcentre.

Lessons are a must, skiing is easier to start off with, but then you do hit some glass ceilings, and extra tuition or buddying is necessary to get through these limits.

As for snowboarding, it seems as the boarders on the mountain were on their arses more last year than the skiiers in the lessons on the slopes. But then they moved forward much quicker after that.

Swings and roundabouts, I wouldn't worry about each format of snowsports, more about lack of lessons.

Definitely go for lessons for Sun/Mon/Tues mornings if you can, you will benefit.

Boffykins
15th January 2005, 10:51
Interesting for me, I'm going to be learning to board on dry after easter, then go upt o MK snow dome on occasion for a bit of fun. Should be joining you chaps and chappettes next year. I'm quite prepared to fall on my arse a lot, that's all part of the fun. Really ****ing looking forward to it though

phil
15th January 2005, 12:08
Learning to board on a dry slope is akin to using a brillo pad instead of toilet paper.

Boffykins
15th January 2005, 12:43
But apparently if you can learn on dry, snow is a piece of piss. If i fail on dry, i'll give snow a go. dry is just the cheaper more convienient option

afty
15th January 2005, 12:47
Originally posted by Boffbowsh
But apparently if you can learn on dry, snow is a piece of piss. Snow is easier than dry.... that is true. You'll also progress alot quicker and enjoy it alot more on snow... saving yourself time and money ;)

Boffykins
15th January 2005, 12:49
'ssatly. Planning on getting a few lessons in soton (props to her0n for insider knowledge hax) then make it a weekly/fortnightly thing doing a couple of hours in the evening

EDIT: completely missed your point afty. apologies. i get you now

Strych
15th January 2005, 15:47
I disagree that skiing is quicker to pick up than boarding. I think its a matter of "horses for courses". I tried skiing for a day after the arm "incident" and I couldn't actually even put on both my skis and stay stood up. I simply couldnt cope with my legs constantly wanting to fly out from under me, in different directions. By contrast, being strapped in a snowboard actually felt very natural (and more secure), and I think had I not binned myself, I would have picked it up okay.

For me the kind of balance in skiing was like iceskating, which I point blank cannot do. The kind of balance involved in snowboarding was more like balancing on the tube with no hands which, of course, I am much more used to.

Aardvark
15th January 2005, 16:51
I love how the ice skating test proves itself over and over again :)