I hate tramps

[mr_roll]

So I was in Newcastle the other day and I was stroling down the street, I had a very quick look at these homeless people that were sitting in a doorway.

One of them calls me over, he says in a stuttery voice:
"Excuse me, my freind" I walk over and say "Yes?" the tramp continues with "C-c-c-can you h-h-h-elp my freind, he needs some change?" [Now I had probably a quid or 2 in my pocket, but I had no intention of giving it to them]
I politely say "I dont have any change"
the other tramp holds out his hand and offers me to shake it, the hand was in a bandage, I shook his hand quickly and then he says "listen mate, why are you being so unhelpful?" I follow with "Because I can" Walking off they were stunned.

you see, I have a great hatred for those lazy people on the streets, its INCREDIBLY easy to get a job in a call centre or some shop, If you have GCSE's or some sort of qualification.

I have worked for my money, I'm not going to give it to some homeless person because he/she is to lazy to get theirself a REAL job!

I hate Homeless people!

/me gets ready for the flames

[[WychDoG]]

dont hate them but just think if that were u

i dont always give em my money but i do try to imagine the shoe on the other foot

[JeRkY]

if you have no fixed abode, no financial ifrastructure behind you and no respect from the public..... i think you may find its harder to find a job than you think.

that said, when i go out on a night, it can cost £10+ extra on the price of the evening due to homeless people i have felt sorry for usually to big issue people as they show a real yearning to help themselves

[Cheez]

Originally posted by mr_roll
So I was in Newcastle the other day and I was stroling down the street, I had a very quick look at these homeless people that were sitting in a doorway.

One of them calls me over, he says in a stuttery voice:
"Excuse me, my freind" I walk over and say "Yes?" the tramp continues with "C-c-c-can you h-h-h-elp my freind, he needs some change?" [Now I had probably a quid or 2 in my pocket, but I had no intention of giving it to them]
I politely say "I dont have any change"
the other tramp holds out his hand and offers me to shake it, the hand was in a bandage, I shook his hand quickly and then he says "listen mate, why are you being so unhelpful?" I follow with "Because I can" Walking off they were stunned.

you see, I have a great hatred for those lazy people on the streets, its INCREDIBLY easy to get a job in a call centre or some shop, If you have GCSE's or some sort of qualification.

I have worked for my money, I'm not going to give it to some homeless person because he/she is to lazy to get theirself a REAL job!

I hate Homeless people!

/me gets ready for the flames Have no house then try and get a job. You will find its damn near impossible. It takes a LOT of luck for a homeless person to get out of it. They aren't there through choice you ignorant ****tard.

[TE-Hellfire]

Yes, don't you know all homeless people have GCSEs?!

So what happens when you're a manager of call centre and a guy that smells like a ton of dog **** and looks like he's been shopping at the local trash can boutique comes in and asks for your advertised job even though he's been homeless for most of his life, has no qualifications, poor written skills and has breath that could wake you from a 5 month coma?

Not only this, but 10 other candidates have applied for the job, all of whom are over qualified, presentable, attractive and are more than what you look for?

Businesses are not charities, they don't need to employ homeless people, so they won't.

[Buffy]

What needs to be dones it to get on the council reg for housing, if not goto a hostal. Then you have residance and there for able to get a job.

[mr_roll]

heh heh, I provoked a responce, hi all :D

All of you have valid points, the post was just out of boredem and I also wanted to get a response. Yes I was seeking attention.

I am not arrogant, I am a ****tard though and I do realise and have previously recognised all the points you have said.

/me loves you all (except the small majority)

[Optimus]

a lot of homeless people are in their situation due to drug habits or the like (get addicted to something, even pot or booze, then cant afford to pay rent/partner turfs them out etc.)...

I have no sympathy for most homeless people (especially the ones who spend the money they earn selling the Big Issue on fags or drugs rather than a hot meal and shelter for a night) but I dont go out of my way to insult them... I just ignore them or say 'sorry, i have no money' and keep walking...

[Mingtea]

*headbutts the desk*

[no friends]

Originally posted by Chris
Have no house then try and get a job. You will find its damn near impossible. It takes a LOT of luck for a homeless person to get out of it. They aren't there through choice you ignorant ****tard.
I think after a year they get given a house so....
then they dont have an excuse

[JeRkY]

homeless for a year then a free house, i dont quite think thats how it works...

[Afty]

Originally posted by mr_roll
the post was just out of boredem and I also wanted to get a response. Yes I was seeking attention. So what you're saying is "I'm a troll".
It's OK. We knew.

[Silk75]

/me puts mr_roll on ignore on forums as well as irc

[Afty]

That's such a good idea, I'd completely forgotten about the ignore function.
Done. I wonder if I will even see this thread...

Edit : Upon returning to the thread his posts are "IGNORED" but the people not on my ignore list who quote him in his entirety are still there..... AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH it's like Xenos Paradox. Can't....... quite.......ever.......escape.

[mr_roll]

Its nice to know that I've made some people think well of me :)

[Mamacita]

On another point, how can you tar everyone with the same brush? You people who say you don't have sympathy for homeless people, or tramps, whatever. How can you formulate any kind of opinion about them? Do you know their background, their problems (which could have nothing to do with drugs or anything bad)? No.

Tbh all there is only two options, give them a little change and carry on or politley say no, and carry on. Don't be rude.

And there are issues with hostels, you just can't "get" in one. They're full, they're over-crowded, and they're a den of sin and iniquity (well some are). Often the case it becomes worse for a person to go to one that is marred as that 's where the local druggie contingent will opperate.

And if you don't have a previous address..... as said about. Screwed.

[Afty]

Originally posted by Mamacita
Tbh all there is only two options, give them a little change and carry on or politley say no, and carry on. Don't be rude. Or you could do what my city, Manchester, did and make it illegal for them to beg in the city...

[RocketKnight]

BBC news article on Cambridge and Norwich (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3492844.stm)

Cambridge and Norwhich ferry homeless people inbetween each other because neither place can cope with the numbers. Cambridge County Council was buying them one way train tickets to Norwich knowing full well they couldn't get back on their own. So caring. :rolleyes:

[Afty]

I know quite a number of homeless people aren't there through "choice".

Many more though, are there through the consequences of addiction, or through claiming benefits for so long (and obviously not being very cunning) that they ran out, or through laziness, or through crime.
While we can say how "caring" we ought to be, I have no sympathy for the second group of people - most of them are just spongers, or a complete waste of skin and we'd all be better off without them.

The first group, on the other hand, are why the programs exist to help the homeless..

[Mu5icMan]

The homeless people in Great Yarmouth stand next to Mcdonalds and KFC so when you come out with food they ask for money. There is apparanty a famous tramp here in Yarmouth called Gordan. Apparantly he was minted, like millionaire, then he went insane when his wife died and started to tramp.

[Zakalwe]

I've been made suspicious of homeless people due to the "begging business" that went on at university. "Beggars" were typically benefit scabbers who fancied a bit more cash. They would be dropped off at c. 6:00am in the morning from alright looking cars and hunker down in tourist-frequented areas to make out like they'd been there all night.

I used to row, so I'd have run past their begging area at about 5:00am and it would be empty, on the way back they'd be settling in for a profitable day's scrounging, somethimes you'd see them getting out of the cars. Sick tbh. They were always the ones who got all demanding when you wouldn't give them cash as well.

On the other hand genuine homelessness is tragic, it's just better to give your money to a charity rather than a bloke in the street. That way you know it will go to helping homeless people and not so some con artist can use it to buy Kappa tracksuits and crack.

[Elbonio]

i was going to reply with a nice, long beat-you-over-the-head-with-higher-intelligence sort of post but then i realised it was troll so what'd be the point

[Zeuseh]

They can sell the Big Issue, i know plenty of people who give more than the 50p/£1 for the magazine just because the 'tramp' has got out and got himself/herself a job rather than being a bum

[Optimus]

but selling the Big Issue is not a job... as such anyway...
its just a quick way of said homeless person to make a few pounds to buy his next drug fix/pack of ciggies...

if a person stuck at selling the Big Issue for a decent amount of time, they could easily earn a fair bit of loot and pay for a decent meal each day and other stuff...

but they just sit there, day in day out selling the magazines because each one sold guarentees them another 5 minute high...

and im not being an elitist here either... I knew a Big Issue seller as she used to travel on the same bus as I did a few years back from work...
she quite blatantly boasted to everyone that she spent her earned money on pot and then anything left over was spent on food for her dog...
its disgraceful, and I hope eventually the company that produces the Big Issue will introduce some sort of monitoring system to check exactly what the money is being spent on :mad:

[Elbonio]

the level of ignorance displayed in some of these posts is quite shocking


optimus, speaking to ONE homeless person on the bus a few times does not immediately make you an expert on how many homeless people take drugs


in 2001 there were 19 homeless people sleeping on the streets of Manchester (about 600 in the UK as a whole - a good 2/3 of these in London alone)

ive worked with a few of these people and built up a relationship with them, yes some of them are drug addicts but most are people who, through whatever circumstances, found themselves without a home and without the money to rent accommodation.


The one thing they hate more than anything is people assuming that becuase they dont have a home to go to that they must be druggies or alcoholics.

Stereotyping is the sign of an uneducated, ignorant mind. Dont do it.

[TimmyNoShoes]

Heheh, Elbonio is like one of those drug ed vids from school.

"Elbonio: Just say NO"

:p

[Optimus]

Originally posted by Elbonio
optimus, speaking to ONE homeless person on the bus a few times does not immediately make you an expert on how many homeless people take drugs
I never said that... I was speaking of Big Issue sellers... that isn't tarring a lot of homeless people, only the ones that exploit a system designed to actually help people who want to help themselves...

[Steadders]

i was fairly shocked a few weeks ago, living in a north hampshire village all my life, ive never seen homeless people before.

i mean, ive been to london, but that was always the nice areas at peak rush hour so the other day when i went to Woking the other day it was quite a shock to see at least 3 homeless people in the space of a few minutes, none of them asked for money, but i wouldnt know how to react if they did.

[TimmyNoShoes]

Another reason that southerners are a different species from us normal humans.

[Morbid]

Originally posted by RocketKnight
BBC news article on Cambridge and Norwich (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/cambridgeshire/3492844.stm)

Cambridge and Norwhich ferry homeless people inbetween each other because neither place can cope with the numbers. Cambridge County Council was buying them one way train tickets to Norwich knowing full well they couldn't get back on their own. So caring. :rolleyes:

hehe, man their is SO many here. in the summer on christs peace park their are dogs running around with no leads, they beg constantly, sit around getting hammered and begging for money. Not to be an ignorant ****tard but the last thing you want when your sitting in the sun chilling is a homeless person coming over with his dogs and asking for 'any shpare change mishter', i buy the big issue when i can tell the person is genuinely in need of the cash, but the ones that spend it on booze and sit around gettin hammered all day can kiss my tight ass :)

[Morbid]

Originally posted by Steadders
i was fairly shocked a few weeks ago, living in a north hampshire village all my life, ive never seen homeless people before.

i mean, ive been to london, but that was always the nice areas at peak rush hour so the other day when i went to Woking the other day it was quite a shock to see at least 3 homeless people in the space of a few minutes, none of them asked for money, but i wouldnt know how to react if they did.

the same you would with any other person if they asked your for money "sorry mate havent got no change" they're only human after all. You've lived a sheltered life haven't you?

[TE-Hellfire]

Is it only homeless people that sell the big issue?

I was sat next to some guy on a bus who had a load of big issues, he was talking on a top-notch uber modern mobile telephone, so I assumed he was some kind of agent for them, possibly.

Couple of days later, he's selling them on the street. Strange really.

Anyway, I don't have a grudge against homeless people, it's those motherf*ckers who run up to you with a clipboard and bib that you really wanna stamp on repeatedly.

[Optimus]

Originally posted by Morbid
i buy the big issue when i can tell the person is genuinely in need of the cash, but the ones that spend it on booze and sit around gettin hammered all day can kiss my tight ass :) my feelings exactly :)

(apart from the kissing of your ass... quit pointing that damn thing in my direction :eek: )

Originally posted by TE-Hellfire
Is it only homeless people that sell the big issue?

I was sat next to some guy on a bus who had a load of big issues, he was talking on a top-notch uber modern mobile telephone, so I assumed he was some kind of agent for them, possibly.

Couple of days later, he's selling them on the street. Strange really.

Anyway, I don't have a grudge against homeless people, it's those motherf*ckers who run up to you with a clipboard and bib that you really wanna stamp on repeatedly. the Big Issue is intended for sale only by homeless people as a method of raising some cash for them... which makes me think that guy is either an agent who had to fill in for a homeless guy who ran off, or he was just one of these people I hate who abuse it...

[Kraken]

Personally beggars really irritate me. I sympathise with old homeless people, or disabled or mentally challenged as I imagine they were forced into their situation with very little opportunity to escape it. But those that have all four limbs, seem in good physical and mental health just irritate me.

Yes im sure they have lived a hard life or whatever but there is a great degree of laziness and complacency. Sitting on your arse all day begging does turn over a tidy saving. They get £20 +/- a day. I make a point of giving them nothing, not even my attention. What riles me up even more are those that corner you on the tube at the end of a hard day at work. They walk through the carriages make frigging announcements then begging, I give death stares at those that succumb to their bull**** stories and give them some change.

There is plenty of opportunity for the homeless, the obvious ones are selling "The Big Issue" or legal musical busking which is what the London underground is now promoting. The government has poured millions into offering opportunities from jobs, to accommodation to allowances.

Finally its illegal.

[__OpenGL__]

The only homeless people i know are the ones I tend to see in the under-passes in Leicester. Ill go past in the morning and he will be there asking the commuters for spair change. If i go past again at lunchtime he will have a tidy stack of bottles 'o booze... and by the evening he will be staggering around utterly wasted or asking for more change because his current 'fix' is wearing off...
He will stagger sround trying to hug people and generally harrasing the public, he doesnt want to help himself.
But siding that theres a number of people in the city who want to help themselves and sell the big issue... i have no problem with that.

A.