admin sucks on your server !

[Bananas]

Lo all i think hes name is Vanquish ! (biggest **** in the world)

I was playing on your Multigame PUBLIC server SOF2 and the above prick i have mentioned banned me from your server ! ( reason ? ) Postitive ratio?

SOrry vanquish if your totally **** at a game however ! banning ppl isnt a good way to get ppl to rents servers from multigaming ! and now my total attitude towards multigaming isnt to hot!

Please MULTIGAMING please take more care when recruiting admins for your servers as you have obviously picked a right nob on this server!

[Optimus]

"Welcome to the english language... Please drive carefully"

And on a serious note...

I dont represent the company, but...

1) This place is Multiplay UK... If Multigame is another company, then you have the wrong forum...
2) Admins don't moderate public servers...
3) If there is an admin called Vanquish, ive never heard of him...
4) SoF2 has Punkbuster support... are you sure you didn't just accidentally TK or otherwise violate PB's rules, cos that gets you autobanned
5) IIRC, SoF2 also has a voting system, maybe many people voted you off... I can understand if your attitude was the same as in that post
6) If you rented a server, it would be your own... the MPUK admins wouldn't have a say in its running unless you requested it

All in all, I think you were kicked from a public for a reason, and needed to bitch...

[Bananas]

rofl ! nice bit of writing there however how you can call anyone a bitch....... is beyond me.

please go back to sleep

[Optimus]

i didn't actually call you a bitch, I said you needed to bitch...

maybe when you're learning to spell, learning to read would be a good idea too ;)

[Freelance]

Bananas, you are bang to rights unless you were playing nice on the server, and having an attitude like that does not endear people to your cause.

[JeRkY]

erm ....multigaming? :confused: , nice to have you here though, ive not seen any one make quite such a bad start on these forums for a long time.

[Cheez]

Originally posted by Bananas
Lo all i think hes name is Vanquish ! (biggest **** in the world)

I was playing on your Multigame PUBLIC server SOF2 and the above prick i have mentioned banned me from your server ! ( reason ? ) Postitive ratio?

SOrry vanquish if your totally **** at a game however ! banning ppl isnt a good way to get ppl to rents servers from multigaming ! and now my total attitude towards multigaming isnt to hot!

Please MULTIGAMING please take more care when recruiting admins for your servers as you have obviously picked a right nob on this server! I bet it was a public clanserver. I couldn't care less either way, if that was your attitude on the server then the ban is more than worth it.

[GeeDee]

The only SOF2 server we currently run is a clanserver. I'll agree with you that might not be very clear; as they don't seem to have put their name on it - but it's not a Multiplay public, it's a clanserver.

Therefore, the clan that rent this server from us are free to admin it in any way they see fit and Multiplay have no control over this.

If you have further problems with this server I suggest you contact the owners of it.

Giles.
Multiplay UK Support

[Bananas]

Thanks gee dee

[Shazz]

On a side note, how is swearing at admins going to help you get unbanned? ;) , even if its a Clan-server swearing at admins wont get you unbanned :P , also if its a clan server then the admin or owner of that server has the right to ban who they like for whatever reason, it is up to them :E

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

I dont know this Banana guy, but I can vouch for what he says - I've also been banned from the multiplay.co.uk sof2 server.

It stemmed from accusing a player "Vanquish" of using an aimbot, which he WAS. The next thing I knew, I had been muted, and 2 minutes later banned. Maybe this guy is a friend of the server admin, or possibly it IS the admin of the server who thinks its ok to cheat if they pay for the server.... ???

I myself am a server admin, member of www.pbbans.com and punksbusted and totally anti-cheat. I thought I was doing the right thing by outing this blatant cheater. The tagline when you join the multiplay server is: "We Ban Cheaters", but apparently not.

Is there any chance of having my ban lifted? I have a demo of Vanquish which proves he/she was aimbotting so I was right in my accusation.

Other than this incident I have never had any problems on the server. Voting is enabled so cheaters normally get booted. So why should Vanquish get away with it?

{eVo} bOLLOCkcHOPs

[Cheez]

The problem is, if they are paying for their server, it really IS up to them who gets banned or not, they want to run a server where its ok to cheat? That's their perogative. Multiplay just provide the server, the clans that rent it can then do what they like to it (within reason obviously).

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Fair enough, I can understand where you're coming from but in the server listing s this server shows up very clearly as "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK". There is no clan name or tag in the server name so naturally I assumed you guys took some of the responsibility/blame for what goes on there.

Could you let me know who is REALLY responsible for this server so I can speak to those people directly.

There must be others out there who have been banned unfairly and are probably associating MULTIPLAY.CO.UK with bad administration, and advocation of cheating.

If you guys care about the multiplay brand name you should seriously consider renaming the server to make it clear who is responsible for it, or at least changing the tagline from "We Ban Cheaters" to "We Ban Cheaters - Unless its the Admin cheating in which case we will ban anyone who points it out" :rolleyes: hmmm - Not as catchy but at least its true.

[afty]

Perhaps Multiplay could add "Multiplay.co.uk CLAN SERVER" to their clan publics, might help to clear this sort of image problem up - perhaps even require the clan to put their name in the server title...?

[Diplo]

Clans can have a server debagded, they just have to pay a nominal fee on what they pay for there normal monthly rental.

So whoever hasn't payed for the debranding will have a clan server name of "Multiplay.co.uk :: Clan name here" if that branch doesn't decide to put there clan name after the Multiplay.co.uk part then that's there choice.

Clanfroge gives them the option to change it, but it looks as if they have just left it as is and are happy with it.

The admins name it seems is showdown.

I don't have a IRC channel for them though.

I don't know much about SOF" but this is our only server so look for a clan called Shock and Or ?

Multiplay.co.uk :: - PUBLIC -=*24 Player*=- SHOCK AND OR?

The public part is stating that anyone can join, it's not a private locked server.


Hope some of this helps.

As others have stated it's out of our hands and down to the clan who rents the server to administer it, speak with them

[Diplo]

Originally posted by bOLLOCkcHOPs
Fair enough, I can understand where you're coming from but in the server listing s this server shows up very clearly as "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK". There is no clan name or tag in the server name so naturally I assumed you guys took some of the responsibility/blame for what goes on there.

Could you let me know who is REALLY responsible for this server so I can speak to those people directly.

There must be others out there who have been banned unfairly and are probably associating MULTIPLAY.CO.UK with bad administration, and advocation of cheating.

If you guys care about the multiplay brand name you should seriously consider renaming the server to make it clear who is responsible for it, or at least changing the tagline from "We Ban Cheaters" to "We Ban Cheaters - Unless its the Admin cheating in which case we will ban anyone who points it out" :rolleyes: hmmm - Not as catchy but at least its true.

This is all down to the clan not Multiplay, they rent the server from Multiplay.

I have posted the admins name that i have found.

It does say the clan name, it's just after Multiplay.co.uk :: ( clan details here )

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Thanks for the replies, much appreciated.

I'm aware there ARE some servers out there that allow or even promote cheating. Most of them state this in the server name eg. "aimbot server", "test aimbots here", "faggots only", that sort of thing. What annoyed me was the deliberately misleading tagline when entering the "multiplay shock and or" server which states 'We Ban Cheaters'. Its simply not true.

I think multiplay.co.uk putting their name to a server, whilst at the same time washing their hands of situations like this shows a complete disregard and lack of respect for the multiplayer gaming community and that your only concern is profit.

I hope the truth gets aired publicly, and players begin to avoid the server until its virtually empty, so ultimately whoever is renting the server will end their contract with you.

Most people involved in online gaming enjoy good fair competition and it saddens me to see players being cheated by asshole admins like this. To say that your hands are tied is a cop out imo. You can and should do something about it. A good start would be to state CLEARLY that its a server for cheaters, then at least people know what to expect. A better fix would be for you as a server provider to make a stand and publicly condemn cheaters (who imho have no place in multplayer gaming, or in any 'sports'), and shut down the server. Oh no wait... that might lose you a few quid.... :rolleyes:

[Boffykins]

We provide the server. We will not make any decisions about how it is run. That is up to the server admins.

[Anim]

i dont think you're quite getting the picture here. The clan bought the server, they themselves declare what conduct is right on the server. MPUK have nothing, nada, squat, f'all, nowt to do with it.
Plus, with a name like that people arent really gonna mind what you say :/
plus plus, in most cases of playing online (for quite a few years now) ive found that as a whole most "cheaters" are just good at their respective game and the accusations are really quite pointless.

thats what i reckon, might not be true but hey :D

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Originally posted by Animosity
Plus, with a name like that people arent really gonna mind what you say :/
lol. pfff whats in a name?? I seem to get by without too much er....animosity.

plus plus, in most cases of playing online (for quite a few years now) ive found that as a whole most "cheaters" are just good at their respective game and the accusations are really quite pointless.

thats what i reckon, might not be true but hey :D
Well I can tell you there are over 5000 verified cheaters on our sof2 servers ban list. Every single entry in that list is a victory for multiplayer gamers everywhere. I've been playing online for some years too and trust me - cheating is as rife as ever. So I say to server admins AND server providers - If youre not part of the solution to cheating, you're part of the problem.
Sad to see that multiplay.co.uk falls under the latter.:(

I mean what exactly would it take for multiplay to intervene and say "No - we cant put our name to that." Say for example somebody rented a server from you and called it "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK - We Hate Ni**ers"?

and fyi the only part that shows up in the in-game sof2 server browser window is the "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK", the rest is cut off.

[Anim]

i'd put money on at least half of them just being good at sof2. i played it for a couple of weeks a while after it was released (online that is) and it wasnt a particularly hard game online. So who knows :)

[lyn]

I don't think you are being very fair to Multiplay. The clan rent the server and if they wish to run it with aimbots they can. If they want to ban you they can. You need to speak to the clan that have rented the server and not come in here flaring Multiplay when you have been told a number of times that it is out of there hands.

If you have your own server why are you in here moaning about another clans server?

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Originally posted by Animosity
i'd put money on at least half of them just being good at sof2. i played it for a couple of weeks a while after it was released (online that is) and it wasnt a particularly hard game online. So who knows :)

I'll gladly take your money.
Like I said these are verified cheaters, with screenshots of wallhacks, multihacks and auto-kicks from Punkbuster.

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Originally posted by lyn
I don't think you are being very fair to Multiplay. The clan rent the server and if they wish to run it with aimbots they can. If they want to ban you they can. You need to speak to the clan that have rented the server and not come in here flaring Multiplay when you have been told a number of times that it is out of there hands.

If you have your own server why are you in here moaning about another clans server?

I have nothing against multiplay per se, but feel they are the only ones in a position to do something about it.

And yes, we have our own server, but often we like to play on others against different people. Lots of my friends play on the multiplay server (we get good pings and they have a decent radio mod installed). Its no great loss for me not to play on there, but at the same time i do feel aggrieved that i was banned unfairly and wanted to let people know whats going on.

[Diplo]

Originally posted by bOLLOCkcHOPs

I mean what exactly would it take for multiplay to intervene and say "No - we cant put our name to that." Say for example somebody rented a server from you and called it "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK - We Hate Ni**ers"?



They would be asked to change it immediatly.

They have there own right to set there clan name on the server but it's got to be within limits.

People know they need common sense when setting these things.

I see a SOF guy in our hosting channel quite often #mpukhosting

Maybe worth idling there and see if he pops in and ask for a chat ?

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

ok cheers I will try to get in touch there..

[Rojin]

Don't see what the fuss is about, it's pretty clear that it's a clan server. Any issues take it to them, no point having a bash at the server provider. Next you'll be blaming the ISP for providing a connection the server :D

[*Tsunami*]

I think what bOLLOCkcHOPs is trying to say is, because the name of the server has Multiplay.co.uk in it, and it appears that there are people cheating in the server, it LOOKS LIKE MPUK endorses CHEATING.
It doesn't matter what we know, if people join the server and suspects there is cheating going on, they are going to associate MPUK with CHEATING. Not the image the company needs or wants. Imagine if a person makes that association hears about the BFO lan parties but decides not to go simply because MPUK allows cheating on their own servers (or supplied servers).
A solution to the problem, MPUK needs to make it clear in the T&C than no cheating should be allowed on branded servers, or if cheating is allowed it is made clear by the name of the server.

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Spot-on Tsunami. Thats exactly my point.

NB. In the sof2 server browser, all you can see is the first part of the server name: "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK <Public...", the rest of the name doesnt fit in the window. For this reason my friends and I have always referred to it as 'the multiplay server'.

Rojin - ISP's take action when it is reported their services are being used for dishonest practises such as hacking, incessant email spamming or similar harrassment. Its very clear where they stand on these issues. I would like to see a multiplayer gaming company take a similar position on dishonest practices within their specialist field.

[Cheez]

The AUP for ISP's generally refers to network abuse or the breaking of laws. Cheating is not against the law, if a clan want to cheat on their server they have every right to.

[afty]

Originally posted by bOLLOCkcHOPs
NB. In the sof2 server browser, all you can see is the first part of the server name: "MULTIPLAY.CO.UK <Public...", the rest of the name doesnt fit in the window. For this reason my friends and I have always referred to it as 'the multiplay server'. I also appreciate your point, but that's really a weakness of SOF2 if it can't display the full name of the server (if there *was* a full name, as such).

[alipuk]

Originally posted by Chris
Cheating is not against the law.......... It Bloody well should be

[Cheez]

Originally posted by alipuk
It Bloody well should be If you are playing on a cheating server, where everyone knows that people on it are cheating. It can be as much fun as playing without cheats. Just a different style of gameplay, like excessive in UT etc. You couldn't make it illegal.

[maxrealism]

I think we've gone off the boil a bit here....

the main problem is the fact when you join the server you are notified with:

"We Ban Cheaters"

Clearly this should be removed by the *owners of the servers* ie: multiplay (remove it from default script?) or just take the server down until the tenants of the server (those hiring it) remove that tagline from the script.

Personally my views are this:

1) Cheating should be banned *if* the server doesn't want cheaters
2) Cheating should be allowed *if* people want to see / play around with them.

BUT it should be clearly stated.

[afty]

But if the server owners have rented the server, it's up to them what message to display when someone joins.

A bit like, when a shopkeeper puts up a sign saying "we prosecute thieves" - if he *doesn't* prosecute thieves, his landlord has no right to force him to take down the sign...

[bOLLOCkcHOPs]

Originally posted by afty
A bit like, when a shopkeeper puts up a sign saying "we prosecute thieves" - if he *doesn't* prosecute thieves, his landlord has no right to force him to take down the sign...

Sorry but i really dont see the comparison there. In fact, a server admin cheating during a multiplayer game is MORE like a shopkeeper stealing from the pocket of everyone who enters his shop. How many people would be happy about that?

Like somebody else said above, servers for cheaters should be marked "Server for cheaters" then people know what to expect.

When everyones cheating then nobody is being cheated, if you see what i mean.

Its true cheating isnt breaking any actual laws, but just because somethings legal doesnt make it ethical. Most gamers will tell you that cheating is totally lame and a thorn in the side of online gaming. Hands up - Who really enjoys being lied to?

[afty]

Originally posted by bOLLOCkcHOPs
Sorry but i really dont see the comparison there. In fact, a server admin cheating during a multiplayer game is MORE like a shopkeeper stealing from the pocket of everyone who enters his shop. How many people would be happy about that?
It's not a direct comparison - but the point is, it is HIS server to label as he likes, and HIS server to do what he likes on (cheat for example) - HE has paid for it, it's his right. You're playing *for free* on the server he's paid for - it's quite simply not up to you.

[K]

Actually we are reviewing the AUP for servers and this may well include not permitting cheating on branded servers, its up for debate.

[Anim]

afty does put the point forward very clearly. If you dont like it, dont play there. You didnt pay for it so you have no say as to how it is run.

Plus, a shopkeeper stealing money from everyone that enters is theft. An admin cheating on his own server is not stealing anything from you at all without your consent. You agreeing to play there means youre agreeing to play by his rules (he paid for it).

Plus, i'd put a 2nd batch of money on the idea that most sof2 players (and most games players in fact) use external server browsers (hlsw ASE etc) so they actually do see the server name in full :/

oh well ...

[G|mp]

Hi all ive registered on here just to post this really...

After being banned from Multiplay.co.uk: Public

After reading the other posts in this thread it seems people have the same problem as me

I was banned without a reason given and
i dont think it was for TK'ing or cheating (ive only been playing the game 6 weeks or so)

Now is this server one thats run by your good selves or is it a clan server like what was mentioned further up?

Cuz its the first clan ive seen callled PUBLIC ;)

Get back to me plz peeps cuz im a bit miffed about all this tbh

[JeRkY]

tis a clan server, read the thread, all the multiplay "officials" have stated this and explained about the naming.