Controversial

[Zakalwe]

MERE...




Hours...




on Pluto...

[Guigsy]

yes. but proof for those who are not familiar with the time on pluto atm

[Zakalwe]

Well, Pluto's day (rotational period) lasts 6 and a bit Earth days, or c. 144 hours. That means if we split the pluto day up into 24 Pluto "hours" each pluto hour is c. 6 hours long.

With 7 1/2 hours till 6:00pm then 48 hours till Stratlan officially starts there's roughly 55 hours to go. Which is equivalent to just over 9 Pluto "hours". Hence, mere hours (on Pluto).

[Gunsmith]

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!, SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN AND STOP THIS MADNESS!

[Afty]

Jesus Zak you're so freaking dumb! Everybody knows that a Plutonian day has 76386 hours in it, and not 24!
Duh, you'd know if you'd actually been there.

[Freelance]

this is what happens when mere becomes popular, and spammers try using it without the proper preparations. it's a case of "so near, yet so far" as well, 6pm friday is the start time meaning 6pm wednesday (today) is Slan- 2days or the transition point between mere days and mere hours. all this is subject to lucifa, or mpuk staff aproval.

[Zakalwe]

Originally posted by Freelance
this is what happens when mere becomes popular, and spammers try using it without the proper preparations. it's a case of "so near, yet so far" as well, 6pm friday is the start time meaning 6pm wednesday (today) is Slan- 2days or the transition point between mere days and mere hours. all this is subject to lucifa, or mpuk staff aproval.

Ah, but subject to the calculation laid out above it's been mere hours on pluto for nearly a week and a half...

[Elbonio]

they had a special party at the Starbucks on Pluto


"Mere hours until stratlan" day



of course nobody was there to see it becuase, in order to get here in time for Friday, they had to set off 4 years ago.


(assuming they are travelling in the space shuttle at its top speed of 2.4 x 10^4 ft/sec, and assuming pluto is at its average distance from earth which is around 6,000,000,000 miles)

[Afty]

Not so Zak, methinks your math was the wrong way around?

At the time of your post there were 55 earth hours left, which means on pluto (530 hours for every one of our hours) so around 30,000 Plutonian hours - they are nowhere near mere yet...

Even now there are 28,350 hours left...

I wasn't quite sure about this, so I phoned my old mate Jamsheeziisar on Pluto and asked him, and he confirmed it. He was a bit miffed though, I dragged him out of bed after only a couple of (our) days sleep!

[Boffykins]

Mere Hours on Venus and Mercury I'd imagine

[Zakalwe]

Originally posted by afty
Not so Zak, methinks your math was the wrong way around?

At the time of your post there were 55 earth hours left, which means on pluto (530 hours for every one of our hours) so around 30,000 Plutonian hours - they are nowhere near mere yet...

Even now there are 28,350 hours left...

I wasn't quite sure about this, so I phoned my old mate Jamsheeziisar on Pluto and asked him, and he confirmed it. He was a bit miffed though, I dragged him out of bed after only a couple of (our) days sleep!

Damn plutonian throwbacks, when will you get it into your head that pluto moved to a 24hr clock last plutonian year (or 248 of your Earth years ago)? The old plutonian day of 76386 hours was proving too costly to display on those old-school station clocks with the click-down counting methods. Also the plutonian military kept messing up their timings as it took longer than an old plutonian hour to relay detailed orders in some plutonian dialects. Hence the infamous battle of umboto gorge, where the unruly Wahoon tribesmen arrived over 1000 old plutonian hours before the more traditional army of the Rumbento empire which had been delayed by the logistical problems of synchronising their movements (and carrying massive clocks). The Wahoons actually arrived, assumed their enemy had left and departed all before the Rumbentos turned up, whereupon the Rumbentos also discovered an empty battlefield. To this day both sides count themselves the victors of that engagement...

[Elbonio]

this begs the question as when do time travellers, people aboard spaceships travelling faster than light and any subatomic particles not affected by causality, when do these people call mere hours?

[Zakalwe]

It's either never or always...

[Mingtea]

http://phobos.fatboylan.co.uk/~mingtea/gunsmith.jpg

[Nivek]

when was the first metion og mere on these forums?

[Afty]

The first thread ever mentioning "mere" on these forums was....

http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9355&highlight=mere

So that honour goes to lucifa...

[Boffykins]

No way Mingtea. Gunsmith isn't THAT cute

[her0n]

Originally posted by Mingtea
http://phobos.fatboylan.co.uk/~mingtea/gunsmith.jpg

OMG that is just great :D

[gemz]

mere

[maxrealism]

I'd just like to add...

you bunch of saddo's.

Thanks for listening.

[Aardvark]

Originally posted by Freelance
6pm friday is the start time meaning 6pm wednesday (today) is Slan- 2days or the transition point between mere days and mere hours.

Thats a negative. The transition point occurs when 'days' is no longer applicable. 1 and a half days is still plural, so 'mere hours' will strike at 6pm Thursday.

I thought we'd been through this enough times.... :rolleyes:

[Freelance]

wouldn't that be 6am? presuming we standardise on earth time. i know that there is the future prospect of colonisation of other worlds, but none of the likely candidates have been mentioned, like the moon with a 4 earth week day.

[Aardvark]

Originally posted by Freelance
wouldn't that be 6am?

Since when did 6am become one whole day away from 6pm?

[Killy]

lol @ the puppy :D

[Freelance]

Originally posted by Aardvark
Since when did 6am become one whole day away from 6pm? it's half a day, or 12h until 6pm

Originally posted by Aardvark
Thats a negative. The transition point occurs when 'days' is no longer applicable. 1 and a half days is still plural, so 'mere hours' will strike at 6pm Thursday. 6pm thurs would be T-1 day. so any time after T- 1.5 days is mere hours in your book. meaning thursday 6am is the days > hours transition. i thought previous thinking was that T- 48h was the transition as it was then 1day (singular), 23h +some minutes, or T- 47h as in "mere hours". it depends how you round your numbers and select the units though.

[Elbonio]

there are about 10 other threads discussing this but all of them, despite the fact they probably all contradict each other, will say that's wrong


the mere days to mere hours threshold is when the time left until the event starts (6pm friday) is < 1 day

ie 6:01 on Thursday


anything above 1 is still mere days, anything below 1 is mere hours - for the 1 minute there is exactly 1 day left (assuming we're not doing it down to the second here) we can say there is "a mere day.."


but for that 1 minute only...


then of course mere minutes start at 5:01pm on friday evening


see here (http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22269&highlight=mere) for more details

[Mamacita]

I'm crying

[Aardvark]

What about 1 and a quarter days Freelance? Etc etc. Its what Elbonio says. Which is what I said it was. Which is what it has been since the dawn of mere, and will continue to be until the death of the universe.

[Aardvark]

Ok ok short version to this thread:

I'm Right.

[Elbonio]

Originally posted by Aardvark
and will continue to be until the death of the universe.

I call mere millennia on the death of the universe

[Freelance]

mere by comittee will never work and won't serve the needs of the community. a mere judge is needed, and going by the most mpuk activity in mere threads it should be either boff or lucifa.

you are also totally missing the point between rounding (either up, down or to closest integer unit), and truncating.

[SilentMike]

Originally posted by Kil88
lol @ the puppy :D

its a cat ;)

[Freelance]

i'm more mop i'll have you know

[Aardvark]

Originally posted by Freelance
mere by comittee will never work and won't serve the needs of the community. a mere judge is needed, and going by the most mpuk activity in mere threads it should be either boff or lucifa.

you are also totally missing the point between rounding (either up, down or to closest integer unit), and truncating.

I'm Right.

[Freelance]

have you got it rubber stamped yet?

[Aardvark]

What, the fact that I'm Right, or this mere thread? Because the former goes without saying, and the latter is not worthy of the stamp... :)

[Aardvark]

Actually I'm tired of this. Someone find the link to the thread with the mere standard specifications.

And I'm only right because I'm speaking from said specifications, as set down by the MPUK Mere Committee, aka Lucifa :)

[Aardvark]

I refer you to here (http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22652) and here. (http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22269) However I'll admit I was in error and that Mr Winbar was the lackey responsible for drawing up the documentation :)

[Freelance]

all about the plurals. when there's less than 2 of $timeunit it shifts to the next lowest. i can do this all day.

[Aardvark]

Negative. Plural is greater than 1.

plu·ral
adj.

1. Relating to or composed of more than one member, set, or kind: the plural meanings of a text; a plural society.
2. Grammar. Of or being a grammatical form that designates more than one of the things specified.

Therefore mere switches down a category when the preceding category is less than or equal to 1.

[Aardvark]

The very, very last and defining word on this subject:

Originally posted by winbar
if you actually look, when it hits 7 days, it becomes mere days (i.e. one week)

Between one and two weeks is still weeks as its 1.xx of a week, i.e greater than one, i.e. plural.

Therefore >7 days is still mere weeks.

You argued this on every other thread. You're wrong here too. At least I'm bored enough to argue AND right...

[Freelance]

http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg
peace the f*** out, ok?

[Ryvita]

In an attempt to inject a little novelty into this whole "mere" thing, and since it seems to be the way it's going at the moment, I went looking for new and amusing units of time measurements to declare "mere" of.

For the good of the community, I took my life into my hands and typed "unusual units" into google.

Ahem.

It would appear however, that barring the variation for sidereal time, which isn't that much really, seconds, minutes and hours are just about the only extant units for time anywhere. The only real contender is the shake (http://www.themeter.net/conv16_e.htm) , with one shake being equal to 1 x 10^-8 seconds. However, getting a post in in the available time may be tricky, given that even the best pings will have a time of ~10ms, or 100000 shakes.

Wierdly, the same search also turned this page (http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/silly/sillymols.htm) up. What do you reckon? Spoof or real?

Ryv

[Aardvark]

Originally posted by Freelance
http://www.rancidkoolaid.com/images/arguing.jpg
peace the f*** out, ok?

Ah but you LOSE. What does that make YOU? ;)

[Afty]

Originally posted by Ryvita

Wierdly, the same search also turned this page (http://www.bris.ac.uk/Depts/Chemistry/MOTM/silly/sillymols.htm) up. What do you reckon? Spoof or real?
Almost certainly real. Only read the first 20 or 30 titles, but I've heard of (and know a little about) at least a third of them, if not closer to a half - and I gave up on chemistry at 16 - Statistics tells us the rest are probably real too.

[Big Giant Head]

Dunno if that page is spoof or real ryv but it appear CummingTonite is a real mineral

http://mineral.galleries.com/minerals/silicate/cummingt/cummingt.htm

Go figure

[RTO]

You seem to have forgotten to take into account that Pluto is currently runningon PWT (Plutonian Winter Time), due to uit's current location in it's orbit - being futhest from the sum, and hence a WHOLE WORLD colder...

Now, in fact, PWT is 10,000 hours behind PST.

So in conclusion, you're wrong.




And if you don't believe me, go there and check for yourself ;)

[Killy]

Originally posted by silentmike
its a cat ;)
Looks more like a dog to me so feh

[Dan]

Who gives a **** now?


It's mere hours, embrace it! XD

[Afty]

It can't be mere hours until 6pm tonight (Thursday)

[Elbonio]

ok


I think we've established that there are mere days until there is < 1 day left - ie 23 hours 59 minutes


the point now is what do we do for the one minute where there is EXACTLY one day to the event

is this "a mere day to Stratlan"?


Even if we take our accuracy down even further to the most inifinately small space of time there will still be a point which is exactly the point where the mere changes from days to hours and there is exactly 1 day left to the event

ie 24 hours 0 minutes, 0 seconds, 0 1/10's second, 0 1/100's second

etc ad infinitum


this is the mere threshold.


It may only be theoretical but it exists nonetheless, like an event horizon it is the point where mere is no longer plural and is singular, for however brief a time...

[phil]

Hmm - look's like this is heading towards Xeno's paradox territory, and we really don't want to go there :)

[Ryvita]

Someone whip up a quick doctorate thesis would you:

"Experiments in Temporal Studies: Towards the Mere Singularity"

Ryv

[Elbonio]

I'm telling you there IS a mere singularity


and at this point strange and wonderful things happen.

like bread.

[maxrealism]

All I heard was rar rar rar rar rar