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zhardoum
14th October 2003, 20:20
I bought this game when it first came out, especially for I5 or I6 I seem to remember, god it was mind blowing, still is, its still going.. but more on that later..

The most common comment about this game was that no one played it, its great, why dont people play it..?

Well, the answer is not very pleasant,

You see, its a 3d space action game, with one person per side taking the commanders view (3d map view, able to control his team whilst at the same time building new space stations carrying out upgrades), the rest of the team fly around in 3d space in ships taking out the other team, exploring, and following the commanders instructions. Sounds great doesn't it? coinsidering it had the might of Microsoft behind it, and their cash, it was in effect a game liek no other, but it suffered one major drawback, for such a great game, why so few players..

Well, for one thing, the games learning curve is steep, scrub that, its not steep, its a cliff.

Second to that, the one position every one thinks they can do better than everyone else is the command chair.

No matter how good a commander you are, you will always get 25 opinions on your every move, its like trying to lead decisively by committe.

And then, there are the players, The game does not encourage new players, whilst the remaining players have set up a trainee server, and some players have @help in their name to encourage others, in reality as soon as you enter you are greeted with, uh,oh, Newbie.

From there on in all through the game all you here is 'no newbie, dont do that, dont do this, they even have a few premade voice comms like, "We have a clueless commander, mutinee" which often happens when a player takes comm they don't know well, no matter how good you are, nothing is more annoying than the team mutying on you because they don't know your name.

In essescence, what killed the game was a mixture of a steep learning curve and a type of elitism by the older players, this is most often typified when the server becomes busy (more than 20 players) when cries of pick teams, pick teams, are heard, and all that then happens is the commanders pick the most experienced, leaving the newbies feeling unwanted on the sidelines, picking the players they know, starting the server running and leaving the new players feeling lost and unwanted.


The game was discontinued by Microsoft, but owing to a very diehard group of supporters pestering, they managed to get the code, and permision to edit the code from Microsoft, to whit players have now created new versions of the game, extra craft, even a couple of extra races that were never included in the original.

however, in a move which again harks back to the elitism comment, now, when a player joins, they have in brackets after their name (0) the number of weeks they have playing under the new system, players who have been registered for longer have avoided this system, so now new players stick out even more than before, and nothing casts a down turn in a groups opinion than players with (0) joining.

I dont have a () after my name, I have been playing too long, but still Im not blind enough to see how this effects new players.


But, having said all this, I still rate the game as one of the best real time strategy games going, yes, strategy game, yes its a 3d action space ship fighter, yes nothing scares you more than a destroyer fully manned with skycap turrets vaporising you whilst your bombers just manage to scrape its paint before it vaporises them as well.

It is one hell of a game, and best of all for a year or so now, its free.

http://www.freeallegiance.org/ has the files to download to enable you to play, first you will need to create an account (its basically to stop idiots, stick your fingers up at them and they block the account, and you need the account to play, so in a way its their safety net).

Then follow the instrucions on the website on how to install and get the game running, look at the link, see the screen shots, this isnt a text adventure, this is full 3d space warfare.

So, what the heck am I writing this essay for?

Well, I love the game, I mean it is the dog's dangly bits, but it and the players need an enema, seriously, the game needs new blood, fresh meat as it were, it has to be one of the best space combat / real time warfare games ever written.

So, Did no one play it?

Sure they did, but they got put off, time for them to return and say 'Hello!" and stick a finger up with it.
http://www.freeallegiance.org/images/launch.JPG

MONK
15th October 2003, 07:53
Have to agree the first few games you could spend a long time in an escape pod, and there are a fair few buttons etc... The real problem I see is no single player... if this had single player then it would be great. The problem of complain about the commander you are never going to get around, always you have one that complains that the weapon/ship they wanted is about or that you are playing in a different style. This is just a problem with online game on the whole it just more of a problem when one person leads.

TBH I am not sure why they didn't take freelancer and just redo allegiance it would have been great. True it is still missing the commander side single player but it can't have been a massive add-on.

Hopefully with the release of savage they will realise they had it right in the first place and make allegiance two.

Afty
15th October 2003, 09:50
Allegiance rates alongside Tribes and Transport Tycoon Deluxe, and Kohan as IMO the best ever multiplayer games.

It was *incredibly* advanced for its time, and even today looks great and plays better than anything else.

Rumours of Allegiance 2 have been around for ages, I get the feeling it's one of those that they've kept the rights to, but haven't yet got around to writing... and maybe never will?

Re:Spending time in escape pods - We'll turn escape pods off for a few games. Instant respawn

I'll happily tannoy grab, organise teams of playground pickage stylee - we've had games of Allegiance 25 vs 25 before at Multiplay LANs and that was *BEFORE*

Zhardoum : Can you grab all the files needed before i18 to setup a server, and distribute a client to anyone who wants it? Also SOVRoute may well be needed - also do you know if the new security system will affect us on a LAN game?

I've been burning for a game of Allegiance for a while, I don't think we've played for over a year, and now it's free to distribute, I'm sure we'll get a huge number of players - we should probably setup a Teamspeak server too

Tsung
15th October 2003, 10:58
From a newbie perspective... The problems with allegiance.

Allegiance might of been the dog's danglies, but it was released three years too early. Broadband in the UK was limited to large cities or homes that were lucky enough to have a cable connection. I had a 56k connection, however, it was too ropey to play Allegiance on it :(

Let's fast forward to today... Allegiance is now free, thats excellent news, however, I'd still be very reluctant to play it as you mentioned the game will mark me as a Noobie from the start. Just from reading thro' the original post it appears the prejustice against new players is still there.

Why mark me as a new player, for all other players to see?
This only gives the "Pro/seasoned" players the oppotunity to direct any prejustic comments towards me. It also gives them the knowledge that Im possibily an easier target as I might not know everything there is to know about the game. The original post summed it up well;nothing casts a down turn in a groups opinion than players with (0) joining.

Infact thinking about it, everybody was a noobie once, and to attact new blood into the game, what is needed is a noobie only server. The newbie only server should only allow levels 0 to 4 in the game, and two pro/seasoned players (to play as commanders). The pro players should also be rewarded/ acknowledged for doing the training.

I dunno, i'll give allegiance a(nother) go to find out..

GeeDee
15th October 2003, 11:31
I've still got all the needed client / server files for Allegiance; I always keep one ready to go in case people want a game at FBL.

I can get a server ready for SL if people want to have a game there :)

Afty
15th October 2003, 12:26
Originally posted by GeeDee
I can get a server ready for SL if people want to have a game there :)

Oh.
Yes.

Thrud
15th October 2003, 13:17
free...Free....FREE YOU SAY!! FAN-BLOODY-TASTIC

I've been itching to place this again for soooo long!

I can live with (0) after my name.

Cor.. wait till I get home from work tonight!!!

MONK
15th October 2003, 15:22
There is a good reason for marking to noobs, so that they can be looked after and not expected to take out a heavy int with a scout..... of course people are not always so nice.

I will bring the joy stick and hopefully there will be much playage :)

zhardoum
15th October 2003, 19:25
:) amazed.

I was expecting to find that I had been burnt, flamed and quarterised for my comments, seems I was mistaken, kudos to you all.

Where do I start, Afty, Long time no speak, I am afraid I can't make it to I18, lack of funds and all that, rather a shame really, all I do all day is create lan games servers, I am an IT manager now for a chain of 6 shops, so I have had a fair amount of practice at churning out games servers lately, CS, UT2003, QIII, BF1942, Desert Combat, you name it, ill build it, and throw in a few mods, dam, ill even throw in a few voices samples to liven things up a bit :)

Unfortunately when I took the step to semi retire, I did that with the knowledge that I would take a drop in pay, drop wasn't quite how it worked out, it went from £254,000 to £12,000.

As such, I can't afford to fly to the Iseries as I used to, I would like to attend one, but maybe next time ill go as blue not yellow :)

I had hoped to do something next year summertime ish, escape the heat here in Ibiza, I had planned on taking the jeep over to valencia where they have a 4000 player lan for 5 days, but i am tempted to goto the beer fest in germany (Octoberfest) but it has been such a long time I have been to an I series (is it two or three years already) I feel the urge to come back and remind some of you as to who it was who threw up over the grandstand outside (mentioning no names fearhawk, your secret is safe).

Hmm, Maybe, if I can get a cheap flight, work as a blue team member and someone gives me a few servers to build and manage, maybe just maybe Ill come back and say hi.. wonder if I could beg a base unit from monkey boy, (smartmonkey).

Anyway, I digress, I am glad that some players will try Allegiance again, I realis the reason for the numbering system in allegiance, but it kinda seems counter productive, on the one hand they go to a great deal of trouble to welcome new players, create a server for them, create trainee missions, have players set aside specifically to help, and then ten minutes later shoot themsleves in the foot when a new player joins and they all scream uh oh, newbie..

the one thing the game suffers from is an elitist attitude, but maybe thats just me, and hey I registered 2 plus years ago so I am as much a veteran as spunky is (anyone remember when I sent him an interview and posted it here 3 years ago? or was it 2?)

but, really, it does need new players, it is a great game.. please try it out, its about 100MB all in, and free, so some new people come along and see for yourselves just really how great it is..

GeeDee
15th October 2003, 21:03
Originally posted by afty
Oh.
Yes.

Ok. It shall be done :)

Zeb
16th October 2003, 08:30
Oh Yes.

I'm patched up, and came across the site a couple of weeks ago and registered etc :-)

Bomber Killer and Afty's Cap Ship moving distraction reporting ready for duty!

Afty
16th October 2003, 10:24
Originally posted by zhardoum
As such, I can't afford to fly to the Iseries as I used to, I would like to attend one, but maybe next time ill go as blue not yellow :)

Ahh, go sell your body or something, get your rear in gear and get over here.

Oh, and if Ibiza LAN is go, I'm sure you'd get some punters assuming a decently cheap flight fare... So many more people use laptops now...

zhardoum
16th October 2003, 18:48
;)

Well you know I manage a cyber games shop now don't you afty..

we have in the shop 33 pc's, with 28 games installed.

The list of games we have playable on the lan include.

Quake III (plus the oficial match mod)
UT 2003 (latest patch, can't remember what it is)
BF 1942 1.45.18
BF 1942 The Road to Rome
BF 1942 Desert Combat 0.4J
Age of Empires (1.0c)
Empire Earth (latest patch)
Command & Conquer Generals (latest patch)
Starcraft (latest, 1,10 I think it is)
Warcraft III
Warcraft III throzen throne. (updated via battlenet)
Racing Simulation 3
Need for Speed 2
Homeworld 2 (currently V1.0 no patch yet)
Half Life
Opposing Force.
Day of Defeat
Counter Strike 1.5
Natural Selection 2
Steam, including CS 1.6 (the only lan shop with this game)
Return to Castle Woldenstein (game of the year ed.)
Medal of Honour
Civilisation 3


and there are four or five others I can't remember off the top of my head, if i remember by the time i finsh posting, ill add them.

All the pc's have the latest paches, all PC's are identical and all have the latest MS patches and AV patches, run with ad aware once a week and are defragged on average once a month.

Sound interesting?

Specs of pc's are AMD XP 1800 Cpu (clocked running at 135Mhz stably) with 512Mb DDR 333 Ram, 60 or 80Gb maxtor 7,200 Disks, Geforce 4 Mx 440, onboard AC97 sound, all have headsets, and currently we have 5 pc's with Logitech MX 300 mice, the rest are logitech standard optical mice, but we are planning on making them all have MX 300's in the near future.

network cards are 10/100 Ovislinks connecting to 10/100Mbit manageable switches and the internet link is a 2MB adsl line, connecting v nicely at 2016KB and sending at 320KB.

I can imagine a far easier way to progress with the Ibiza Lan would be to provide spaces for a few laptops, but mainly people hiring the pc for a day, that way you can travel light, games are preinstalled and all people need to do is look for accomodation, not sure how owner would respond to people sleeping on shop floor, unless we game all through the night.

Dedicated server side of things I have just finished today a 64 Bot BF1942 server, with 3 network cards each linked to the shops seperate switches, with an AMD XP 1800 CPU and 1Gb of 333 Ram it runs very nicely :), we also have 2 dedicated servers for CS 1.5 with no bots that run at a ping of around 3 to 7 Ms with 30 people connected and one server with bots (mean bot ;) )for people to practice on that has a ping of 16Ms.

Additionally we are soon to be putting in a dedicated Quake III server and maybe UT 2003 if we can find the time.

We (the shop) are part of the official Cyber games world cup, so our pc's are all patched to the latest versions, I just found out today that the cyber games organisers are insisting the next tourney round is played in CS 1.6 only, so tomorrow / next week ill be building a dedicated CS 1.6 server with bots for people to get used to it, then providing a couple of dedicated servers with 1.6 for the tourneys.

On an interesting note, our shop in Ibiza is the only one that has 1.6, well thats not true, our shop is the only one people can play on the lan, all the other shops aren't able to, reason is fairly simple, we have licensed copies for all our games, they dont, and as steam checks licenses even to play on the lan, the other shops are left out in the cold, not that it makes much difference, nearly everyone prefers 1.5, so even though we are the only shop you can play it at, hardly no one ever plays it.

Pings for Quake III - 0Ms
CS, 3-7Ms dedicated no bots, with bots 12-18Ms
BF 1942 dedicated 0Ms, non dedicated 0Ms
UT2003 0Ms
Warcraft II unknown, but very playable

I am sure you get the idea, it is a well run shop, I should know, I manage it, It takes an enormous amount of effort continously patching machines, building servers etc etc, but we are the best lan games shop in the Islands, we could do with more pc's but we do what we can with what we have.

So far, we opened in Dec 2003 and 3 other shops that run cybergames have closed in ibiza, and 5 more are wavering, we are knocking the other shops for six in every respect, what we then do is as soon as a shop closes I pop around, cast a quick eye over their equipment and buy any decent kit on the spot, as of yet having visited 3 shops, I haven't anything more interesting than about 2 miles of BNC cable and a couple of 10 mbit hubs..
But I keep looking, you never know, I always need new servers :)