Nvidia Pixel Shader 2.0 woes

[Gunsmith]

did a bit of sniffing around in regards to the det 50's and thier release date and stumbled across an interesting read.

the article was dated back to the mid/end of july

Nvidia confirms PS 2.0 driver problems

Meltdown, showdown, decapitation

Apparently, some shaders 2.0 simply do not work making Nvidia's claim that this card is DirectX 9 hardware puzzling, as Pixel Shader 2.0 is one of the essences of DX 9.

Subsequently, Nvidia staff at the conference agreed the shaders are not feeling very well, and that the recent drivers are quite buggy. But hey! They run Quake, UT and 3Dmark just fine.

We are sure that this carelessly honest Nvidia boy will be decapitated for this statement but we are sure that this will brought much more attention to making things work in future revisions.

As you might expect, there are not many ways to test these shaders as DirectX 9 games are still far away in the future. Ironically, the same shaders run just fine in ATI Radeon 9800 class hardware.

having got a hold of the beta DET 51.75 i decided to give them a whirl on something that has the option of rendering PS 2.0

i tested them using HALO on full detail across the board at 1024x768 as it uses the PS 2.0 feature to render its advanced textures

44:03 and it was piss. barley got out of single fps.
45:25 saw an improvement in PS 2.0 rendering, still died when rendering large scenes ie outside
51:75 (betas) was huge increase, while there are some major descrepencies, here it flies when rendering PS 2.0 but theres room for improvement.

im no anandtech or tomshardware but i think its not all doom and gloom for us nvidia users that everone seems to be making out.

if anyone wants the 51:75 betas find me in mirc :)

[Blood Sport]

didnt think halo had been release, leaked or demo'ed yet :p:

[Flufball]

Search megagames, they have lots of info regarding betas leaks and whatever.

[Gunsmith]

Originally posted by Blood Sport
didnt think halo had been release, leaked or demo'ed yet :p:

umm whoops :D u got me there

[andyf]

Seriously if nVidia can turn this whole thing on its head with a driver release without crippling detail etc, I'll be impressed with them for actually 'getting on with it' and not sitting back and bitching about XYZ not being 'right'.

[Bambers]

Originally posted by andyf
Seriously if nVidia can turn this whole thing on its head with a driver release without crippling detail etc, I'll be impressed with them for actually 'getting on with it' and not sitting back and bitching about XYZ not being 'right'.

I'd be increadibly impressed as it would be virtually impossible given the differences between the hardware of the r3x0 and nv3x.

while the ati slides here http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTA2NDg1OTI2NEFrQm9pUVd0ZU5fMV83X2wuanBn and the next one are simplified they are actually accurate. ATis chips are just that much more powerful at shading.

[Bonkers]

sok - i dont need shaders i only play CS and i have a 5900U thx

[Gunsmith]

well nvidia have been known to make miricles happen when it comes to drivers

and bonkers

WTF?!?

[Gifted]

Originally posted by Gunsmith
well nvidia have been known to make miricles happen when it comes to drivers



But this would be more than a miricle though wouldnt it!! it would be a set of drivers that morphed the headware into growing more pipelines! lol


Face it gunsmith... just coz you have a 5900U... there ****!! i did the same, i brought a Voodoo 5 5500 for about 250quid when it was out... and after about 6 months it was worthless with hardly any support, so i binned it for a geforce 3.
ATi clearly are winning the battle at the moment.. infact the main man at nVidia said at a trade show the other day that nvidia are keen to get away from the 'Were only into graphics' that everyone thinks. they plan to become less graphics based and strengthen there nforce mobo stuff and video software. clearly they know they are struggling. i cant imagine the FX sales are anything nice to look at!

[Bonkers]

**** that!
voodoo 5s were quality! i bought mine for about £100 - best card i ever bought - lasted about 2 years. Fine when 3dfx went bump there was no support. But i lived on 3rd party drivers for about a year!!! Played everything pretty good

[Gifted]

yea i was on 3rd party for ages too...

but you had to change drivers for certain games... Windows XP hated the voodoo cards..

and when i look at it at the time i brought it i could have got a Geforce 2 GTS... which would have been alot longer lasting.
both cards were 250quid at the time... i stuck with 3dfx becuase i had always HAD 3dfx cards.. even thought the geforce 2 GTS was clearly a better card!

so dont get the opinion of... well ive always had nVidia so im always gonna have nVidia as ATi must be crap if ive always used nVidia!!!


basically.. just get the better card at the time.. which everyone has to see is currently ATi Radeon's
nuff said.

[Gunsmith]

gifted ure reading skills suck, thats the NEW RADEON XT u ****monk

[Cheez]

****monk... Lol.

I have to say my Voodoo 3 lasted me ages. I "upgraded" from a Geforce 2 MX to a Voodoo 3 3000 and I never once looked back. My next upgrade was the Geforce 4 Ti 4400. Which, tbh I don't plan on upgrading for a long while yet.

[Say_Ten]

I upgraded from Voodoo 3 budget to a won GF1 DDR and the first thing I thought was how dull the colours were.

[Gifted]

Originally posted by Gunsmith
gifted ure reading skills suck, thats the NEW RADEON XT u ****monk


**** off... if you had ANY skillz you would know that the Radeons have had 8 pipelines since my Radeon 9500Pro...


and the 9700 series has 8 piplines too...

[Gunsmith]

gifted, y u gotta be a **** and start an arguement out of a simple informative post?

[Gifted]

I wasnt starting an argument.. but seeing as you said....

Originally posted by Gunsmith
gifted ure reading skills suck, u ****monk

... when you clearly suck and dont know sh!t, i didnt think i could let you get away with that... :D

[Gunsmith]

Originally posted by Gifted
Face it gunsmith... just coz you have a 5900U... there ****!! i did the same, i brought a Voodoo 5 5500 for about 250quid when it was out... and after about 6 months it was worthless with hardly any support, so i binned it for a geforce 3.
ATi clearly are winning the battle at the moment.. infact the main man at nVidia said at a trade show the other day that nvidia are keen to get away from the 'Were only into graphics' that everyone thinks. they plan to become less graphics based and strengthen there nforce mobo stuff and video software. clearly they know they are struggling. i cant imagine the FX sales are anything nice to look at!

u tell me that ISNT starting an arguement?

you make damn sure i never meet you in person

[Cheez]

Why? You really wouldnt be intimidating to Gifted gunny. He isn't a small lad.

[Gifted]

LMAO!!....

wasnt purposly trying to start an argument... i was saying i made a mistake on buying a top notch card without really looking into it! after all can you honestly say that if you had your money back you would go out and buy the exact same card!? if yes, then thats a tad foolish realoly isnt it.. or you just like wasting money!


as for meeting me in person.. how imature can you be!?
and if you did meet me in person somehow i dont think you would do ANYTHING! ill make sure to introduce myself next time i attend an i-event!

would be funny to see how you react standing infront of a 6ft 6 20 year old bloke..

grow up m8! im entitled to my opininons... just coz you feeling bitter no need to take it out on someone else.


/me goes off to check gunsmiths seat number at i18

[andyf]

Originally posted by Gunsmith
u tell me that ISNT starting an arguement?

you make damn sure i never meet you in person

Now now laddie, don't make me put you in the same boat as atomicslug ...

[Killy]

"CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!"

[Jobabob]

obviously not

nvidia should be given a restraining order to stay 100 metres and 2 forums away from ati at all times