FS: Brand New Items!

[Wizzo]

In the interests of customers using this forum, I beieve it is now necessary to step in here. Spiderman has been prevented from posting on these forums until I hear from him or one of the "customers" here that the items mentioned in his post (which has now been moved off the public boards) are actually available for sale, and that there is no fraudulent, illicit or illegal activity involved.

If any of you have transferred money and not received goods yet, then please let me know. I'm seriously considering reporting this whole matter to trading standards. It's not the first time someone has tried this on our boards.

[Limi]

SAJ in action!

[Boffykins]

Wizzo, speak to Cyberdude. IIRC, He got the goods, but only cos he went round Sp|derman's house

[Wizzo]

Ok I need everyone who has sent money to Spiderman and not received goods to get into contact with me so I can pass this information on to Trading Standards and/or the police as necessary.

Email details including dates you sent money and for what to wizzo@multiplay.co.uk

If you would like some more information on your rights in this sort of situation, such as distance selling regulations, then check out the website below:

www.hants.gov.uk/regulatory/adviced.html

Scroll down to goods and services, such as distance selling regulations and what your rights are.

Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this and people can either get their money back, get the goods they paid for, or if this stuff is indeed stolen it can be returned to its rightful owners.

[Jez_Gafys]

Sounds like im lucky I was ready to upload funds to send money for an xbox but there was a problem withe the site so I didnt get round to it...phew

But it sounds to me like it may not be dodgy as he sounds from what Boffy said he does actually have the goods???

[Cyberdude]

Boffy I never did recieve the goods....

but he has untill this weekend for a full refund......

If after this weekend it has not happened I will give all details.



Cd

[Boffykins]

What did he say when you went to talk to him, Steve?

[Cyberdude]

he never went home..... i stayed at his house for 3 and a half hours.......

he was too chicken...... I ran his mum and spoke to him later....


LOL

Cd

[AphexTwin]

Need a hand getting your money back? [/capone]

Seems a bit dodgy to me, and to think i was tempted by a laptop he had going and almost took him up on the offer :/

[mr_roll]

I for one will be attempting to contact his bank and telling them about the activity that has gone on and I'll see what I can get done :)

I paid via Internet Banking, I will read those details that Wizzo has provided when I get home, (at work atm)

oooh please let hime come to i16 ;)

[Cyberdude]

Goodluck getting your money back... He has spent it all.....

I managed to get some back off of him but he still owes me cash.


How can some one be such a muppet ?!?

Cd

[TelexStar]

Originally posted by cyberdude

How can some one be such a muppet ?!?


Thats an exceptionally kind way to put it by the sounds of it. :)

I'd be *%$@ing livid if this happened to me!

[Jez_Gafys]

Thing is I did seem all right at i15. I sold him a tv card and he asked if he could take it a look at it. All was fine and he came back and gave me the money.

[Gifted]

well i was on the verge of selling my phone and getting a p800 off him..


lol what a plank though.. if he took the money and spent it! doesnt he realise that people dont just give away 300 od quid willy nilly!

[Cyberdude]

Well I did ask him where all the money he had been paid went...

He said he spent it.....

and according to him his bank account sunday evening had £0.16 in it...... I dont know what you guys are going to get from him ?

muppet.......


Cd

[RocketKnight]

He sold me a Megadrive at i15, I was horrified to discover that the 'included' mains adaptor was in fact NOT included! If this was America I'd be suing him for $30 million as a result of my emotional stress. :p:

[Wizzo]

Please email me with the details please people. If he in fact has spent the money then I have no doubt we'll be filing criminal charges such as fraud. Send in the info and I'll collate it all for the authorities.

[AphexTwin]

I have the sudden overwhelming urge to smash his face in

but i must resist ;)

[Afty]

Are we seeing another example of the North/South divide here?

Up north, we'd deal with someone like this much more quickly and efficiently than this. And I'm completely serious.

[Culture]

Yes afty, thee of intellectual superiority shunning the physical violence as "solving nothing".

Oh hang on.....

[KermitTheFrag]

The only way to teach stupid people is pain whether it be beating their heads in or sending them to prison where they will be bubba's bitch.

Good luck all in getting your cash back. Give him what he deserves.

[10acious]

afty is just a thug with a vocabulary

[Riki]

hes quite correct. I mean cybers quite a burly chap im surprised he hasnt done anything more forward.

TBH up t'north we would go round his house and if he aint got the money give him a good sound kickin if he still aint got the money we would remove the equivelent cash in electrical goods from his house.

[Afty]

Riki has an idea quite close to the truth. As his electrical goods probably aren't his, and as such someone *else* could bring charges for theft, what would probably happen is that he would get the worse kicking of his miserable young existence, and told he had 7 days to pay the money back, or at least to start and would be informed of the interest rate (20% a month is not unreasonable).

I'm quite *quite* serious here, I can't believe this isn't being sorted out :/

[10acious]

or it could all be left to the courts of the land

(clearly thug with a vocabulary)

[phil]

Originally posted by KermitTheFrag
The only way to teach stupid people is pain whether it be beating their heads in or sending them to prison where they will be bubba's bitch.

Good luck all in getting your cash back. Give him what he deserves.

Originally posted by Riki
hes quite correct. I mean cybers quite a burly chap im surprised he hasnt done anything more forward.

TBH up t'north we would go round his house and if he aint got the money give him a good sound kickin if he still aint got the money we would remove the equivelent cash in electrical goods from his house.

"Generally speaking it is unlawful and imprisonable to conspire with, plot with or incite any other person or persons to commit any criminal offence. Publishing information on a web page could land you in prison. "

"It is unlawful and imprisonable to incite people to violence against any person or group of people for any reason. "

[KermitTheFrag]

personally I would have gone to the bailifs after precisely 21 days

[Afty]

Originally posted by phil
"It is unlawful and imprisonable to incite people to violence against any person or group of people for any reason. "

Then I guess Tony Blair is going to prison?

[Dizzie]

we can all hope.
isn't this a bit off topic?
/me shuts up now

[Zenith]

afty has a point. "Oop north" there is far less tolerance for this sort of fraud. Basically you get the friendly warning, then you get the not so friendly warning, then it starts to get ugly.

Friendly usually means being pinned to a corner and spoken to in a calm but firm voice.
Not so friendly tends to involve implements.
Ugly ... well you've all seen films where crims get double-crossed.

[Cyberdude]

Well I did ring him up on the sat night and express my feelings to him and inform him of what would happen if he didnt get the train to me with cash.....

He arrived sunday.

Still I can not get in to trouble with the law for burning down his house whilst he and his family are sleeping.... its a real bad point on a CV.


am email will be on its way craig... and I suggest everyone that has had dealings with him do the same.

Cd

[Gifted]

so he blaitently didnt have ANY of the stuff for sale.. just wanted people to send him money..

but in doing so gave his home address.... what a tw4t

[Chicane]

i think i might go and speak to his bank

[mr_roll]

Hi can some one email me his Address please.

I bought a £45 N64 from him and he has not delivered, I paid via Internet Banking and his telephone number please: mr_roll@fya-lan.co.uk thx

I've just had time to read the linkage on the previous page.
reading now....

[Chicane]

he has offered me a check but if i bank it, will it bounce? :(

[Cyberdude]

Dont be silly.......

Either get him to transfer funds directly into your bank or get cash..............

[mr_roll]

Thats a good idea actually. He has also agreed to give me a refund via a cheque after a conversatin on IRC.

[AphexTwin]

Did he give any reason as to why he didnt produce the goods in these conversations?

[BatWick]

If he gives you a cheque which bounces, i, pretty sure his bank fine him.

Also it would make your case more convincing should it ever go in fromt of a court in myu opinion - he is showing he owes you money, or at least has tried to pay you money you havent got from him.

Then show the cheque you gacve him, nad no recipt of goods, and it sounds prett convincing to me.

However if you can get the money back through a bank transfer go for that. But a cheque isn't a disaster.

[Cyberdude]

Yes but its more time you waste.... It will take like 10days before you know if it has bounced as it gets re-submitted twice.

Cd

[Gifted]

yea Ben^^ exactly...


what was his excuse for not producing the goods then steve? just never had them or what?

tbqfh what a complete ****wit... whats the point in even attempting to do that?

[mr_roll]

He gave me the excuse about being busy with exams

[bigc90210]

you paid £45 for a N64?!!!!!

anyways, apart from that i think he deserves a sound kicking, im sure theres at least 3 or 4 people from these boards who must live close to him, post his address on here and make a new mpuk excursion to his house.

PS. I also think the for sale/wanted items forum should be moderated suitably to keep an eye out for dodgy people, and keep things in order

*cough* memememe! :p:

seriously though, you do get some total assholes who obviously dont have the gear, like that one selling HL with 2 LEGIT cd- keys, who didnt copy cds as he didnt have a CD-RW, but the pc that he was selling had one!

[Gonzo]

or someone like me as i get paid to do nout all day :P

[Jez_Gafys]

aye if a cheque bounced the normal charge is £50.00 quid

[KermitTheFrag]

I get charged £7 ... must be your bank ripping you off.

[Bob^^]

mine is a tenner i believe

clearly jez has a suckeh suckeh 50 dollah bank

[AphexTwin]

same rob!

[phil]

It can vary depending on the cheque amount, but there is a cap - and 50 quid seems very steep. I think HSBC maximum is 30.

[bigc90210]

i got charged £30 off halifax last time one bounced :(

[BatWick]

i never had one bounce, but it would be a tenner if it did.

[Jez_Gafys]

pah im with HSBC and have been charge 50 quid before for a bouncing cheque, around 24 months ago

[mr_roll]

Personally I think myself and Noodleman should moderate the forum as we know most of the people on the boards and can tell if some one is going to rip us off I think as well as us being on the forums pretty much all the time. :)

I dont think MPUK would support such a trip to Spidermans house to beat him though.

[Cheez]

It was a £10 charge when my mates cheque bounced. Thats with HSBC

[pen]

whats the charge for "collecting the dollar" ???

:P

[bigc90210]

Originally posted by mr_roll
Personally I think myself and Noodleman should moderate the forum as we know most of the people on the boards and can tell if some one is going to rip us off I think as well as us being on the forums pretty much all the time. :)

I dont think MPUK would support such a trip to Spidermans house to beat him though.

said AFTER being ripped off.

pld

[Dan]

Personally I think myself and Noodleman should moderate the forum as we know most of the people on the boards and can tell if some one is going to rip us off I think as well as us being on the forums pretty much all the time.

I dont think MPUK would support such a trip to Spidermans house to beat him though.

or me D:


ive bought something off most of the people here :P

[Blood Sport]

only if the amount was in the 1,000+ would it be worth your time and money to start legal procedings against him to get this to a stage were a bailiff can attend his property


you would have to get this to a stage were a notice of distress was given. however to get to this stage takes alot of time and paper work and money

i know about this first hand

[Jez_Gafys]

Dan you never bought anything off me ...


But I alwasy deliver my goods thats why I made like 400 quid selling stuff at i15.

[Dan]

most of the people here jez, i can recall i nearly bought some memory off you once, but you went awol :/

[Jez_Gafys]

Nope Dan wasnt my fault you didnt buy anything from me


http://forums.multiplay.co.uk/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14770&perpage=20&pagenumber=2


read the top post :D

[Dan]

nah was before that, we were talking on irc about it, got the logs from Wed May 29 16:53:00 2002

[Limi]

so.... any followups about the incident?

[Cyberdude]

He still owes me money... and has made more excuses.... I will post the log of his latest one when i get home.

Cd

[Cyberdude]

Here is the latest !

*************************************************

hi steve, jus made it back home from work, small problem, i knw this isn't what you want to hear but, i didn't get the £30 off my boss, he left before i arrived at work, so it didn't go to plan, BUT i did ring him and he said he'd put the money into your account tomorrow morning when he does the banking, but as i'd said i'd come today, i'll make it £40, as i feel guilty enough ... i know you don't want to knw what happend, but i'll tell you, as you knw i was selling goods via the forums, i had found a guy via e-mail who was selling goods cheap, who seemed genuinie at the time, well he built up a good rappor with me via e-mail, saying he wasn't going to rip me off, and he was only selling it to get cash quick, and gained my confidence by telling me he was a student too, and he was jus in a electronics business and thats why he could get them so cheap, but at the same time lulling me into a false sence of security, the reason i posted on the forums was because this guy wanted to be more public, he even spammed on irc saying he could get cheap goods, thats why i thought there was nothing dodgy because why would someone want to make something public if it was dodgy, well anyway, people were obviously interested (ie. you, rk and chicane) well i collected the money from you guys, then thinking it was safe, sent the money off via moneygram (i have the details he gave me still), i thought it was a secure way to send the money so i'd get the goods, but what he'd mentioned to me in the e-mails was that moneygram needed authrisation from me for him to collect the money, so if i didn't get the goods, i could not authorise him collecting the money. well that wasn't true. i was gullible enough to think that this was a scam, i was weary at first, but it soon wore down with the more and more e-mails he sent saying it was safe and secure. once i sent the money off, i received an e-mail which made me panic, the goods were carded, which is why i had to lie, i didn't want to get you guys in trouble and didn't want you to recieve carded goods, i didn't knw what to do, so i told you guys they were coming etc....when i didn't have them giving me more time to track this guy down, i bombarded him with e-mails everyday, waited ....nothing, sent a , more threatening e-mails, still nothing, then i got a visit from you, which prompted me to double my efforts, i kept e-mailing him, until the address didn't work anymore. thats when i realised i'd been scammed. so i had to resort to going into my own pocket to pay you guys off, thats why its taken so long, i have been working at work to work off how much you guys need to be given back. my mistake was being to trusting and nieve, i really jumped into the deep end this time, and i've really screwed up, im trying my utter best to get the money to you guys, im not trying to avoid you, im not trying to scam you, im honestly going into my own pocket to pay you guys back, thats how serious i am. i know how it feels to be ripped off, and i've been ripped off big time, i've just lost£670, but i am working all that off to remburse you guys, coz its not fair on you as its your money that was scammed, but now its become mine which was scammed.

Well i hope this sheds some light onto the subject, im sorry i couldn't fone you to tell you this.

spiderman

*************************************************

What a muppet.
He told me his uncle worked for a shop.


Cd

[rudolph]

awwwwwww....poor boy :rolleyes:

you should offer to take him to the police station so he can make an offical report of this nasty man scamming money out of him ;)

or alternatively find out where he works and pay his boss a visit

[Noodleman]

Valid point,

He should have gone to the police as soon as he realised he had been scammed.

Now, if he hasnt, then his loss.

At least he seems sincere about trying to pay ya all back.

[Afty]

There's no reason he can't now, and in fact I would strongly reccomend it.

The moral of the story :
1] Don't lie
2] There's no such thing as fast money (well, getting it, spending it is another matter).

[Gifted]

not true afty..

the bloke whoe was 'SUPPOSED' to sell him the items got some very fast money!

£650 od quid by the sounds of it!

[Cabe]

and this is why I use Credit Cards to buy stuff from ebay.

[Jez_Gafys]

HSBC is similar to Credit cards when paying with Switch. If someone takes money anf no goods recieved or they just take money with no intention of supplieng anything. The Bank issues a Fraud Noticed to who ever took the money (which through Bank axccounts can easily be traced). Then they hvae 7 days to give you money back or face court charges. Worked for me when I issued a fraud claim to Freeserve PLC. Bastards tried to nicked 50 quid then 80quid off me so I started the action.

[Afty]

Originally posted by Gifted
the bloke whoe was 'SUPPOSED' to sell him the items got some very fast money!

He also got all the work involved with avoiding the law for a good time to come too... not exactly fast money if it brings with it a huge inconvenience.

[Cyberdude]

That is again if you believe him... he has cried wolf far too many times.....

Cd

[OverlordRob]

OUCH OUCH OUCH

man i feel sorry for the spider dude, cos i bet he received a hell of a lot of flack from the people who thoguht theyd been ripped off when he infact was :O

still good man for paing people back

this is why i get all my stuff directly from i series events

[Optimus]

yup, all my sales go thro Ebay or in person...

I always stand by my ideals that all transactions are final, but will obv. offer refunds @ I-16 if they can prove the goods are broken...

[Gifted]

tbh he fecking stupid and brought it on himself...

the prices he was offering made allot of people here think..

'lorry back of'

and he must have added some on top of that to try and make a quik buck!

never buy anything from the intenet unless you know them in person and/or the company is a well respected registered company..

ebay the only other form of buying/selling i trust though!


and afty... to me it sounds like all spiderman had was emails.. and seeing as these are bloody difficult to trase.. and impossable if the guy was carefull.. i doupt he will loose too much sleep over it! :rolleyes:

[Afty]

Originally posted by Gifted
and afty... to me it sounds like all spiderman had was emails.. and seeing as these are bloody difficult to trase.. and impossable if the guy was carefull.. i doupt he will loose too much sleep over it! :rolleyes:

Follow the money. He sent money to this guy in the form of a moneygram, simply follow the money.

[Gifted]

yea i guess...

only thing that troubles me is that he obviously specifically got him to send the money in that way... no paypal or nochex...

he talked him inot using that particular method.. so there must have been a reason for that!

[Afty]

Yeah, but it's a start, and the police in this country are pretty good.

[rudolph]

didnt he say when he first started trying to sell them that he was in possession of all of them already? the man smells as funny as the rectal passage of a fish

[mr_roll]

I think I saw him (spiderman) banned from the irc channel, this is a bit stupid as there are some people that are still owed money, we need to get incontact with him and IRC is another way, if he is also banned from the forums please could he be unbanned from both then he would be able to speak to him even better, I do have his telephone numbers, his mobile is constantly turned off.

[Cyberdude]

He does not appear on the forums or irc when he owes people money.

have you rung his home number and spoken with his mum ?


Cd

[mr_roll]

Yes, he was out, will try tomorrow

[Limi]

Originally posted by mr_roll
Yes, he was out, will try tomorrow any news?

[Dan]

he just came on irc just now :o

[02:38:17] :· Joins: Sp|d3rMaN [eq_nox@pc4-hem13-3-cust3.lutn.cable.ntl.com] · [Internic Commercial]
[02:38:17] ·: @Q sets mode(s) [+b *!*@Sp|d3rMaN.users.quakenet.org]
[02:38:17] ·: Kick: Sp|d3rMaN was kicked from #multiplay by [@Q] · [You are BANNED from this channel.]

[Afty]

Perhaps banning him, when people need to get in touch, could be rethought?

[Cyberdude]

he never answers on irc anyway or icq.
the only real way is to call his home...


Cd

[Baz]

bit harsh to have him banned from irc and forums for being scammed and trying not to piss people off. yes he was an idiot for lying and not researching the transaction properly, but he seems to be sincere and attempting to pay back all those he owes money. Seems hes a victim of circumstance tbh.:(

[Cyberdude]

If he had been honest from the start and let us know when things were going wrong fair enough.
But all of the deliberate lies and hiding, you have no idea how much effort it took me to get back most of my money !
lies upon lies......... he is no better than a scam artist and thief WHICH HE IS !

Do not waste your tears on this boy !

It will not be a nice day for him the next time we meet.


Cd

[Chicane]

it looks like im getting my monies back :)

[r3plica]

I think that Spiderman was genuine, i mean put yourself in his shoes.

You are stupid enough to belive someone over email, that they have some decent cheaps goods.
you decide to tell your friends, it wil make you popular and you will have loads of ppl to talk to at the i-series events.
you may even be able to make some money and be able to get some good stuff for your own machine.
it starts to look dodgy....
you can't tell the people on irc/forums/icq because you feel stupid.
because you know they will be angry.
because you can't afford to pay it all back atm.
because you will lose alot of friends.
because you will not be trusted again.
because everyone will think it is you pulling the scam.

so you decide to lie, and hope that you can raise the money fast enough, to pay people back before they start getting rowdy.

but it takes longer than expected, hours get cut or money needs to be paid out....it lasts longer....people get angrier.
you're trying your best and you know you are getting deeper and deeper into a hole....but what can you do?
if you tell everyone now, they will think that you are lying and be angry that you didn't tell them in the first place...
so pay the people that are nagging the most, or those that can access you by your phone/address.....


I really feel sorry for him. yeah, he is dumb, but you can bet that he will never fall for this again....
the worst thing is that he has been ostricised and will now have to rebuild a reputation (a good one) with new cyberdudes (no pun intended) that don't know him, just so he can enjoy lan parties and internet chats, guilt free........

think about it.

r3plica

[Afty]

We all know how awkward it must be for him, however making excuses is pointless, and saying was "genuine" is clearly TOTALLY incorrect.

He lied FROM THE START. He didn't just start lying once he realised it went wrong, he deliberately deceived people right from day one.

I think what sums it up for me, is that people have gone to jail for less. I'm not just mouthing off either, PEOPLE HAVE SPENT TIME IN PRISON FOR DOING LESS WRONG.

Making excuses for him is, IMO, stupid.

[r3plica]

firstly, I am not making excuses for him, I am merely trying to look at this event from another point of view, another angle which people are missing.

Don't be too eager to stone him, because one day it may happen to you, or one of your friends...

and secondly,
what did he lie about at the start???

[Noodleman]

well,

once everything has been paid back, it would be my opinion (like it or not it's only an opinion) that the whole matter should be buried, and forgotten.

Easier said than done, i know, but if everything is paid back, whats the harm in putting it in the past, He knows he wont be selling stuff again, and he wont be trusted,

[r3plica]

yes this is a good thing, but I will trust him nonetheless and will buy him a beer at an i event if I ever see him, to let him know that I sympathise

[Bob^^]

replica - your signature sucks more than a two dollah hoe

[Tang0]

I second Bob^^s last comment

pls make it smaller, its no wonder that these threads take up xx pages as your sig is so fookin long

[r3plica]

threads are taken up by the amount of posts, not by the size :D but I will change my signiture :D

[Afty]

I haven't seen a signature for over a year, you can turn them off in your user control panel quite easily.

It's bloody superb, though slightly frustrating when people talk about other people's sigs.

[10acious]

Originally posted by r3plica
but I will trust him nonetheless
Wow a lesson learnt and all that
will buy him a beer at an i event if I ever see him, to let him know that I sympathise
Lets all reward stupidity/crime, thats what the British court system seems to be doing at the moment. Possibly some sort of new trend

[r3plica]

I hate cynisism!

all I am saying, is that everybody deserves another chance. I am not religous, but what Jesus said is correct.
Turn the other cheek

I changed that a little, to:

forgive, but do not forget.

basically, it could happen to us all, so we should be reluctant in flaming/shunning him.

[KermitTheFrag]

Everyone deserves another chance but they deserve the consequences for their actions beforehand. I think thats what people are trying to say...

[Bonkers]

an eye for an eye - a tooth for a tooth?

[10acious]

exactly kermit

im not going to shun and flame him, never said i would

but im not gonna buy anything from him, or buy him pity drinks either

[Steadders]

Originally posted by afty
I haven't seen a signature for over a year, you can turn them off in your user control panel quite easily.

It's bloody superb, though slightly frustrating when people talk about other people's sigs.

i quite like peoples sigs.

[Vizz]

seeings how im a regular reader of this forum im just interested to know if you lot did get refunds, or is this still ongoing?

[RK[CLL]]

funny you should say that - got this today!!

Hi RK,

Your money is nearly due now, i will be recieving my pay on the 31st of
August, please expect payment that week.

Sorry for all Hassle and Inconvienced caused, i apologise from the bottom of
my heart, this was not meant to happen at all.

I have been a victim to fraud, an idiot for not seeing it, and i am truely
sorry.

Thank You

Spiderman

[Chicane]

did u email him in order to get that reply?

coz he hasnt emailed me

:(

[RK[CLL]]

no, but I was planning on doing it today anyway

[Chicane]

he reckons i'll get my money by the end of the week

lol

also he wants to know if i can "influence" mpuk into
"liking" him again rather than being left on their most wanted list.

my reply is "roflmao"...

[Optimus]

SPLENDID choice of words there Chicane...

have a cookie :)

[Cyberdude]

LOL

If he shows his face im going to take the rest of my money out of it !

So sure invite him bring him along.....

I think it best he never show himself again....

Cd

[WazMeister]

Though this is nothing to do with me and I am not sure what happend (did he sell these goods at an i event and not have em?, is this person a boy or man?).

I agree with alot and disagree with alot of things people have said.

He may of been scammed but he was dealing with your money before having goods and lying to you still.
I am totally surprised no one went to his home and sat with his parents and told em everything.

To bes honest from the story he told someone to do something like that over the net and have trust thru crapp e-mails is either.
A) 100% retarded and thick
B)Has no care about money nor respect of others.
C) Needs help in the head as he must of been lonely and had no mates to trust such a person via just mails.

Image me sending wizzo 20 mails aday trying to get his trust.

"Hi wizzo, how r u and the family? look listen up I got some servers that 5 million gigabyte to the 2 y, now they short suplly so send me 100 pounds and i get u one asap. Keep it safe, keep it secret.
Most of all trust me, i wont scam u"

lol
Luckily for me I did not buy nothing from him as I am the too much of a sensative guy and polite and I end up saying
"ok pay me my money back when ever, thanks byeee"
lol
But me saying luckily enough not to buy is lucky for him, cause i am in sort family who end up going around there beating the living **** out of him and his dad even if i begged my family no.
lol
look after the kind young one in family lol.


Ahhhh anyway just hope everything turns out for the best of you and it gets sorted, sorry for everyone had to go thru this but I got no sorry for bloke who scammed u lot.
I say at this point get police involved as they can look into the man who got his 650 quid too.


Regards
Waz

P.S I had a friend who told loads lies like this etc etc at skool years ago, he did it to get friends but in end got in trouble wit police.

Cyas

[Bonkers]

that wasnt needed - really

[mr_roll]

I havn't got my money back yet, I will be phoning him up tomorrow.

[Chicane]

hes got no excuse with me now, hes had my details for about 3 weeks now :|

grrrrr

[Nivek]

hows it going for people on this? have any of you got your money back or have you left it be?

[Chicane]

cant be arsed now... if i get it back great, but no ****ing chance i think now.

[Wild_XIII]

/me drives past in a Hummer handing out G36E Assualt Rifles to the people who have lost thier money to this trading demon.

hf lads :x

[zhardoum]

Just browsed onto this one...

From what I can see here, 1 fact is evident, people paid cash and got no goods.

You should not give a rats ass about why you didnt get your goods, you should either get your goods or your cash back ASAP, if you don't, then go to the Police.

Spiderman claims he has been ripped off, thats his problem
You have no cash, thats yoiur problem, not his,

Longer he can spin it out longer he can find ways of not paying it back.

IMHO Go to the Police now, let them deal with it, get a court order and get him to pay you back your cash legally at a fiver a week if necessary, he doesn't pay, its then his Problem, not yours, and if he doesnt pay after a court order then his problem gets a lot bigger.

A court order costs about fifteen quid, you can do it so easily, you goto the local magistates court, ask for a small claims court summons form, fill it in, add his details as best you can, your details, the products expected and the cash paid. hand it over pay for 15 quid and thats it.

Within one week they bailiffs personally deliver the summons to Spiderman, (That usually scares people so much they cough up the cash straightaway).

once the person has the summons they have about 6 weeks before they have to appear in court, youy present your case, they present theirs, if the judge thinks he is telling porkies he will be in the crap, if he thinks you are owed cash but he cant pay, then the judge wiull grant a weekly payment at a rate he can afford.

But for gods sake dont make it up, the judge can slap you pretty hard for telling porkies.

Anyway thats it, if he refuses to pay or doesn't keep up with payments, you notify the court, they send the bailiffs aroiund, the bailiffs will take 3 times the value owed in items (as items are sold at auction usually for a 3rd of their value).

In extreme cases homes can be repossed.

Either way, once he gets a summons, he will brick it, tell his parents, his parents will then sort something out and you will get your cash.

Dont see why your all feeling sorry for him, hes got your cash, feel sorry for him after you get your cash back, not before you muppets.

gah, nearly forgot, its called CCJ, county court judgement, once he gets one of those on his name his credit rating plummets, if he doesnt attend court then automatically he defaults and judgement will eb done without his presence needed, he has to turn up.

[Chicane]

can we do some sort of class group action against him?

[RK[CLL]]

dont see why not!!

[Afty]

Originally posted by zhardoum
A court order costs about fifteen quid, you can do it so easily, you goto the local magistates court, ask for a small claims court summons form, fill it in, add his details as best you can, your details, the products expected and the cash paid. hand it over pay for 15 quid and thats it.

That would definitely be what I'd reccomend here. Surprised no-one has done it yet.

[Noodleman]

You can actualy do that online btw

I started on online court claim against scan

[Chicane]

whats da link?

[Chicane]

ok what we nee to do is find out who hasn't gotten their money back and arrange a time to meet up on #multiplay and then go to a secret room and discuss options.

http://www.courtservice.gov.uk

i think thursday @19:30 would be good...

let me know

[Noodleman]

yup, thats the right link.

You sign up for an account, then you fill in all the paperwork you would online, rather than in paperform, it gets submitted to an office, they then take a couple of days to process the claim.

Within 2 weeks normaly the notice lands on the doorstep of the person who you are claiming from.

[Endor]

How much money are we talking about here? does he owe people like £20 each, or are we talking hundreds?

[Chicane]

hundreds

[Pingman]

Has no 1 got n e money bak at all. Yet you know where he lives?

[Cheese874]

I dont mean to sounds rude or be flaming you.

But from my point of view you guys gave a stranger money, for his word on cheap goods. (That you didnt recieve - and may i add your daft for doing it)

Havent you all made the same mistake that Spiderman has made (providing he aint talking bullocks).

Dont you think you should get together in a group with spiderman online and discuss how to sort this. Maybe you can all work together to get the REAL conn-artist (the one who ripped spiderman off) brought to justice. Any online transferes can be traced to account numbers so help each other to get it sorted... instead of

If spiderman was to turn up at an i-event and 50plus people were lined up to give him beats, id honestly stand on his side and make it 50v2. You dont solve nothing with violence, use your brains lads... were gamers... not thugs.

Spider hasnt got your money, the real conman has. Lets help each other here...

Dont ruin an innocent mans life please

[pen]

^^^ nice bloke :)

[Cyberdude]

Im not going through all this **** again so its 50v2 thats fine ! :P

I suggest we leave a rule here about trading and what is acceptable policy and lock and let this thread drop off the world !


Cd

[Chicane]

Cheese874

... stfu

and yes i agree with CD

[tiSSue]

tkae him to small claims!

its obvious he doesnt give a **** about ur money ...

[Afty]

Originally posted by Cheese874
But from my point of view you guys gave a stranger money...

Havent you all made the same mistake that Spiderman has made (providing he aint talking bullocks).

3 points (from a neutral).

1] Spiderman was not a stranger, most had met him at i-events and even cared for him when he drank himself to illness.

2] While the people on this forum have legal recourse against spiderman, he has it against the con-man. The people on this forum have no legal recourse against him, as they did not engage in a transaction with him, they did so with spiderman.

3] Spiderman may well be lying, I wonder why everyone is so eager to accept this as the truth.


I *strongly* recommend people use the court route above to obtain their money - or to kick him into action at the very least.

[Cheese874]

cyberdude,

ur just pissed coz u was one of the nubbins that gave him money before recieveing or even seeing the goods!!!

its like me going to a dodgey market and giving them £100 for a 28" Widescreen that they "will have in stock in week".

Sigh, if you give your money out like that you should be prepared to lose it.

I do feel sypathetic for you however.

[Afty]

Originally posted by Cheese874
Sigh, if you give your money out like that you should be prepared to lose it.

Not at all, that's an absolutely ridiculous thing to say, while "buyer beware" is a strong principle, such transactions are the basis of personal online commerce.

[Baroness]

/me throws in her tuppence worth

Now, obv, always best in these situations to try and reach an amicable solution to the dispute. And obv small claims court won't always be appropriate. You could be attacked by cba's, for one. Leave it alone, forget about it, move on, chalk it up to experience, that sort of thing. However, if you are feeling particularly narked and fancy a go, then:

HOW TO SUE THE ARSE OFF SOMEONE by Baroness

(just like I promised, Toptotty) :)

Right, its blatantly breach of contract imo (doesn't take a genius). Doesn't matter that there was nothing written. Payment by you is performance of your part of the contract. There has been total failure of performance on his part. Therefore, breach. Simple.

In this situation, its advisable to send a letter before action, that is, a letter stating "I request payment within 7 days. If payment is not received, I will have no other option but to pursue this matter through the courts." If you cba, include a draft of the claim form (see below), which will usually have the effect of scaring him sufficiently into paying. If the matter does then end up in court, this shows the judge you've been reasonable in attempting to resolve it amicably. If you don't get a satisfactory response.....

The court fee for claims up of to £300 is £30. Up to £500 is £50. You fill in your claim form online (www.moneyclaim.gov.uk). In your claim form (form N1), you put details of the parties and a brief description of the claim and its value. In the 'Particulars of Claim' section, you set out the nature of the claim in chronological order, including value of the claim and reasons why you think he's liable. You should also in this section claim interest at 8% on the amount claimed, at a daily rate since breach occurred. (GCSE Maths, I'm afraid, but 'show your working' - lol). Send off form.

He will either defend it, admit it, acknowledge it or ignore it. Chances are, he won't defend it if he knows he's done something wrong. He probably won't acknowledge it either, as that involves effort. Usually, receiving it will be enough to scare him sh.tless into paying. Which he can promptly do, direct to you, without the court needing to be involved. If you receive payment, inform the court. If 14 days pass and you have heard nothing from him, he's blatantly ignored it (attack of the cba's). In which case, you promptly apply online for default judgment against him. The court will grant you this. He is then most severely up sh.t creek if he still refuses to pay, as the court will send the bailiffs round. Raaar to that. If he actually defends / acknowledges, you have your day in court. Even bigger raaaaaaaar.

'Class actions' are a bit tricky.

Anyways, I'm done, me loves. Do ignore me at will.

Turrah! :x

[pen]

Originally posted by cyberdude
Im not going through all this **** again so its 50v2 thats fine ! :P

I'd make it 50v3, violence is wrong fullstop. Sue the fcuker !

[tiSSue]

do wot baroness said, at the end of teh day why should u lot lose out? cos some1 is so stupid as he is.

[ShadowMan]

Originally posted by pen
I'd make it 50v3, violence is wrong fullstop. Sue the fcuker !

bearing in mind cyberdude is involved i'd have to say that 3v3 would still be odds in favor of those against SpiderMan.

face it hitting him wouldnt solve it but you'd feel much better til your own day in court for aggravated assault.

either way i dont think the money will ever appear.

[Cyberdude]

been there done that shadowman...thought it was worth it and will do it again !

next.....

Cd

[Cyberdude]

Ok ive had enough of the bleeding heart liberals that come in after the event and say "shh no be nice to all man kind". Think you are better than us ?
Paying before taking goods home is how business works, shops ebay auctions etc.... cheese81471 u must be a kid. We did know this person.

I have been to his house 3 times met him 5 times about it and didnt hurt him once.
My justification for not hurting him ment that I would never have to see him again, considering the remainder of the money he owes me (yes i got most of it back) Im happy.

Its upto people to find their own ways of getting their money back but if people still are not happy I will take them all to his house and you can talk to his mummy he still lives with.
Then as you know where he lives you choose what action is needed.

now if anyone wants to get stropy with me over this and line up me vs 3 or however many than thats fine. I suggest you keep to your own business you lifeless, soap opra watching, busy body forum baiting morons.


end rant


Cd

[Bonkers]

TBH - violence isnt really the answer. But it ****ing works :) And makes you feel a helleva lot betta!
CD is right in what he says. All he did was intimidate him - I dont have a real probelm with that. Can i just ask who else has got there money back? And how they did it?

[Daxaius]

Hmm.... too many opinions (myself included I'm sure).

Only those at a loss (CD et al) can really speak on the matter.

[Cheese874]

Sorry but if you make a forum post to the public, your going to get the publics views.

CD - "Paying before taking goods home is how business works, shops ebay auctions etc.... cheese81471 u must be a kid."

1. I am 21 years old.

2. My username is Cheese874

3. I have never given money out before i have recieved the goods. Every shop i buy from online charges me when i recieve the goods.

4. Maybe your shopping in the wrong places. You go for dodgey deals, you get dodgey returns.

5. Your little comment about "shops and business", you didnt buy from either of these. You bought from a kid you hardly knew.

You were wrong done by to get ripped off and i feel SORRY for you. But i havent had any trouble with online purchases, maybe im doing something right.

[Cyberdude]

just

LOL

[JeRkY]

at the risk of going off topic cheese81471, can i have a link of an online pc/component dealer that charges me after they deliver...i obviously have been shopping in the wrong places.

[Afty]

Originally posted by Cheese874
3. I have never given money out before i have recieved the goods. Every shop i buy from online charges me when i recieve the goods.

WHERE??? WHERE???

AFAIK that's complete ********, not a single major retailer in the UK does this.

[CyberDrac]

Originally posted by Chicane
Cheese874 ... stfu and yes i agree with CD
Originally posted by Cheese874
CD - "Paying before taking goods home is how business works, shops ebay auctions etc.... cheese81471 u must be a kid."

Cheese874 and Chicane ... sorry to be pedantic but can you refer to Cyberdude as Cd like he signs his posts 'cos I'm CD and I get paranoid about posts I haven't written! (I get enough righteous indignation and flaming without getting someone elses)

Cheers

CD

[ANNIHILATION]

they may charge u when they say they shipped them but so wot they still get ure money forst, but we have c/c protection so it really doesnt matter.

In terms of spider man i dont know how old he is but he wont get a ccj if he is under 18, even if he is over 18 a ccj will not be filed against him till normal routes or debt collection are engaged, and cos he isnt a registered trader its unlikely this would go to court.

Tbh ure were gonna have to sor tthis between ya selves and i think this is on going.

Prob is if u do start legal procedings it iwll cost u money to start with,uness u get government funding for legal support. Its not so easy to represent ure slef. :S

Hope this sorts out.

[Cheese874]

I have always got my goods before the money is deducted from my bank account.... never has it been different

[Cabe]

Jesus man, you make statements and offer no proof.

The only way this can happen is with goods bought on credit. For you to gain this you must be a company which is registered with one of the credit services in this country. The only way for an individual to do this is with a dredit card.

To use your own analogy, its like going to a dodge market picking up a cheap 28" tv and saying to the stall holder "i'll send you the cash next week"

I wonder just how far you would get before you have a large man called Bubba sit on you.

[jase]

Originally posted by Cabe
Jesus man, you make statements and offer no proof.

The only way this can happen is with goods bought on credit. For you to gain this you must be a company which is registered with one of the credit services in this country. The only way for an individual to do this is with a dredit card.

To use your own analogy, its like going to a dodge market picking up a cheap 28" tv and saying to the stall holder "i'll send you the cash next week"

I wonder just how far you would get before you have a large man called Greg sit on you.

:D :angel:

[Afty]

Originally posted by Cheese874
I have always got my goods before the money is deducted from my bank account.... never has it been different

Then tell us which companies you buy from, lest youi get a reputation on these boards as a bull**** artiste.

[HeMp]

Originally posted by afty
Then tell us which companies you buy from, lest youi get a reputation on these boards as a bull**** artiste. Spell check please, bad english will not be tolllolerater here.

[Boffykins]

Originally posted by jase
<snip> Greg </snip>

Double g. People have made that mistake and not lived to tell about it

[Afty]

Originally posted by HeMp
Spell check please, bad english will not be tolllolerater here.
Congrats, you managed to prove you can misinterpret my posts.

[zhardoum]

I just bought a heap of goods, 10 pcs needed deposit paid first, rest on delivery, they wont take a cheque, it is either a direct bank transfer with proof or cash before delivery is completed.

tables and chairs I bought, the same.

I also just bought online 15 copies warcraft III, 10 copies BF1942 and ten copies of Half life generations, again payment must be made in bank transference and then proof of payment sent before they will despatch goods, and no i have never met them.

[high_towe]

Originally posted by Cheese874
I have always got my goods before the money is deducted from my bank account.... never has it been different

Having just read the whole thread, I feel a need just to reply to this. Where the hell do you shop?. Lets take two examples, ebuyer.co.uk and amazon.co.uk. The first thing that ebuyer does is check its stock, if it has all the items that you want, then it charges your card. It doesn't move a single item, it first tries to take the money. If it cannot take the money, then not an item moves from the warehouse. However, if the transaction is successful, then they put together your order and it goes out etc. Certainly in this case it is not cash on delievery. Amazon.co.uk is nearly exactley the same, takes money first, you even get the confirmation emails in that order. First for the money that has been taken out and then maybe 20mins later saying that your order has been packed.

Can you imagine the companies position if they did not take the money until it was at your doorstop?. What happens if you don't have the money in your bank account?? They don't know, until you have the goods. Therefore they have just lost money, even if they do end up getting the goods back. The time/effort in getting them to you, and then getting them back.

So please, like others have said, provide proof of where you get the goods first, and then pay later.....

[Afty]

I think he means his mum pays for it on credit card, then once it's arrived he pays her back from his bank account?

[Cyberdude]

lol

;-)



Cd