that new BF tracks stats site

[Kinetic]

just thought i'd post sum stats info

BF STATS [MPUK] (http://bftracks.net/appl/bft/Search/view/R/0/begins/%5BMPUK%5D)


BF STATS {SAS} (http://bftracks.net/appl/bft/Search/view/R/0/begins/%7BSAS%7D)

considering im currently 33rd on a ladder of 10,000 i reckon NJ should pick me for the UK BF team should he be voted leader :p:

'ave it !!

[Njoroge]

Doc and I have already compiled a list of about 15 players that we definatly want to trial. You're in there as a tank driver ;). Incidentally, the current plan is to get each CL to put forward their top 5 for trials but we'll sort that out later.

I like that tracks site, but bf stats are really hard to calculate accuratly. I would really like a stats site that not only calculated all of this info, but compiled it based on what vehicle you were using at the time - much like the weapon stats in CS. That would make it fantastic IMO, but saldy you can't get that info from bf.

There's always hope for server mods etc to grab the info - the community hasn't fully matured yet though.

[Njoroge]

BTW Kin...

You need to get used to using irc mate, cause that's where all the info will be

I've already set up #UK.BF1942 for the clan when we get round to team picking.

[Baz]

w00t

how'd kin get so high?
obviously plays the game FAR too much

hmmm i better play a corker at i-15, thus impressing NJ and getting on the Uk team........

yeh:rolleyes: right

[Kinetic]

heh 29th now

i was 23rd last week tho :(

[Afty]

Aren't they public server stats? Nice system, but not really indicative of ability.

[Kinetic]

Originally posted by afty
Aren't they public server stats? Nice system, but not really indicative of ability.

well i guess u have to check each players personal stats to judge their 'ability'

surely the number of kills/deaths/medals they have earned indicates whether the player is good or bad ?

these stats you see now are based soley for march,also every server you play on (as long as its a dedicated server)


Position 29
Ranking points [R] 1267
Score [S] 3326
Kills [K] 2242
Deaths [D] 719
Flags Taken minus Team Kills [FT-TK] 542
Kill/Death Ratio [KDR] 3.12
Play time [PT] 1d 16h 29m
Kills/minute [KPM] 0.92
Deaths/minute [DPM] 0.30
FT-TK/minute [FTPM] 0.22
Gold medals 66
Silver medals 16
Bronze medals 3
Rounds Played 115



not really indicative of ability ?

lol well every one has there own opinion,but you wont find many 'average' players in the top 100 ;)

[Space Cowboy]

Mine's 12"

[Catachan]

Mine's 12" too... WIDE! and if i wanted a 12" penis, I'd have to fold it in half.

[Kinetic]

Originally posted by Catachan
Mine's 12" too... WIDE! and if i wanted a 12" penis, I'd have to fold it in half.




LOL ! :D

[JeRkY]

tbh i havnt seen 1 stats site that i would trust to give an accurate guide to "skill"

[Afty]

No - they will give some idea of your ability to shoot things and stay alive, which is a major part of the game, I'll grant - but Battlefield 1942 transcends "shoot and don't get shot" in matches between good clans. Teamwork, craftiness and tiny nuances not usually useful or fun on public servers are very very important.

Those stats, for example don't take into account the opposition you are playing. I only usually play clan games so am up against very good players for a significant portion of time, and tasked to carry out duties which may easily get me a score of zero at the end of the game (the sub on Midway for example) but still allow me to contribute incredibly to the success of the team.

There are people who will play public servers against weak opposition all night long to get their public stats up. If you don't believe me, I used to work for an ISP called Games Inferno - we had some major competitors at the time and 3 of our staff were EXTREMELY good at Unreal Tournament when it first became big. It included a worldwide public statistics system and we soon found that by having each member of staff join a server at a competing GSP and completely dominate a public deathmatch game we could usually empty the servers in under 20 minutes - mainly down to newbies not wanting to be owned, and experienced players not wanting to lose their stats... read into that what you will. I have no problem with people saying " my stats are good " and I know you were being jovial above, but I really hope public server stats are not taken into account in the slightest when it comes time to pick the UK team :)

[Kinetic]

so how would you suggest the team is chosen ?

i'd rather it be based on ability rather than who you 'know'

[Afty]

Yeah, I'd rather it be based on ability to - but the ability to play well as part of a team, rather than the ability to score highly on a public server. :)

[Kinetic]

well i guess we,ll just have to wait and see who gets picked for the team then wont we

personally i'd like to see 10 players with high playing skills,rather than 10 ppl that can play 'in a team'

you can easily teach skilled players to play as a team,but you cant easily teach ppl the skills of playing the game :)

[Afty]

Originally posted by {SAS}Kinetic
you can easily teach skilled players to play as a team,but you cant easily teach ppl the skills of playing the game :)

! ?

With many years and many games in my experience, the truth is absolutely the other way around. A fair bit of browsing, chatting and many many hours playing the game can get the requisite "madskillz" in any game, but the ability to play in a team is something far more elusive.

[TelexStar]

As much as I like disagreeing with afty ( ;) ), I have to agree with him.

BF1942 on a public server is very different to a clan game. And so you have to pick your team based on who will work togther well in the team as well as who has good skills in the game (shooting, staying alive etc).

If you have a team that doesn't work well with the rest of the team or can't take occasionally boring orders like perhaps defending a very quiet, but very vital part of the map. You will get out played bu another clan who does work well.

Stats on public servers are an indicator but shouldn't be a deciding factor.

[Kinetic]

I guess its fair to say that the best players for any team would be those that combine good personal playing skills and the ability to play within a team

alls im saying is how do you judge who has 'good personal playing skills' IMO one of the ways to judge is by looking at STATS on the player,im not saying they are the be all and end all

but to say those stats are not really indicative of ability isnt true

maybe a combination of attacking players and defending players would suit a national team,but surley you want the best players for each role within a war,the best pilots,the best tank guys,the best artillery now how exactly do you judge who the best are ?

if i had 2 guys wanting to join my clan,they both said they where exellent in a tank,one was ranked 100th and one was ranked 10,000 , who would you choose ? :)

[Afty]

I'd play with them.

Here's a few examples of things which happen every few minutes in a battlefield game:

1] You and a friend have killed the last enemy defending an objective. You can either head off quickly to support elsewhere, or wait with your friend and gain two extra points for capturing the objective. One outcome is better for the team, the other for your stats.

2] You are assault, the guy next to you is engineer. The tank spawns. You can take it, resulting in a far better kills/death ratio and score for you, or you can leave it for him. One outcome is better for the team, the other for your stats.

3] There is an enemy capturing an undefended objective on Wake... you have a bomber and are creaming groups of enemies every 10 seconds at their only spawn. Your score is rising rapidly. You can keep doing this, or you can go eject over the contested spawn and try to keep it.

I could go on - there are a thousand examples where raising your personal score is actually detrimental to the teams performance.

I don't doubt that very good scores are indicative of very good individual play, but they can also be indicative of BAD teamplay... - by definition the players at the very top of the scores list will be more selfish than those a little lower down... if the guys at the top of the scores ladder are not the best players to have in your team, it indicates that perhaps the scores ladder isn't a good judge of ability?

Personally, I hope players will be invited to organised practices to play against each other with team pickers involved... that and the captain talking to other clan leaders about most valued players etc.

[Kinetic]

1.any player with any sence will wait with his friend and cap the flag for his team,leaving him will put the friend and the flag in danger

2.the assualt should take the tank and the engineer ride in turret,when engaging an enemy tank the engee can jump out and repair the tank from behind its called 'team work'

3.you should fly over the flag thats being taken and assess the situation,if theres tanks there then bomb them,use the plane to kill any enemy at the flag then either wait till your team m8s go to cap the flag OR bail out and cap it your self

im only giving the answers for what > I < would do in those situations,obviously every one is different :)

[lyn]

I play as part of a team, i don't get a high score because i take a battleship, go to the point i'm instructed to and hold it. It doesnot mean i'm a bad player because i'm not high up on the statics. It mean i work as part of a team. Someone who plays as I do as part of the navy fleet will never get a high score and of course woudl never be in the top scorers

[Njoroge]

Seeing as we're talking about team pickage for the UK team I shall tell you how it's working

Each clan with UK members is putting forward 5 players. These are chosen by the CL. The CL is trusted to put forward the cream of the team by their judgement. That means who they know are quality players and team players.

The squad will be trailed in the next couple of weeks and a final squad of 20 decided.

Myself, doc (pr), remf (NBrigade), ODEE (lcd) will be commanding the squad in games against each other and then picking the teams together.

I shall let you know who I'm putting forward from [MPUK] after a final chat with bvark about it when he gets back to DE from i15.

Nj

[10acious]

and on that note

kinetic uve pld BF for over 2 days

i think the last thing u need is the oppurtunity to play more bf
:D

[Kinetic]

Originally posted by 10acious
and on that note

kinetic uve pld BF for over 2 days

i think the last thing u need is the oppurtunity to play more bf
:D

LOL !

a good point well put


*hangs head in shame & goes to get a life*

:D

[fknbude]

haha im not even in a ranking position :)

Fknbude (the c*nt :) )

[Kinetic]

lol thats coz u only seem to have logged 5 hours play this month m8

plus the fact your crap mite have sumat to do with it :p:















J/K

[fknbude]

hehe yea, well i might actually start playing more, bloody need to if im gonna have a chance to be a tit for the uk klan :)

[Afty]

Bude is one of the better pilots I've come up against, and the fact he isn't ranked speaks volumes.

[fknbude]

plus im sure kin wouldent be so high if he didnt play desert combat and fly the near impossible to shoot down from the ground migs all the time ;)

[Afty]

It includes Desert Combat stats?

I assume it also includes R2R stats aswell then?

[JeRkY]

i think 1 of our main priorities in the matches at i15 was to prevent Fknbude getting any where near an aircraft. :p:

[fknbude]

bah, always you mpuk tacktics involve some sort of kill bude in it :D:

gits :p:

[Mr Footlong]

The man is unbelievable! I have got to the point of throwing my toys out of the pram a couple of times when getting in some flying practice as he simply obliterates everything in a plane!

[Mr Footlong]

Just a quick thing, if any *any* and I mean *any* person ever tries to poach bude from our actual normal clan, they will have me to deal with, that's just how much we love him ;) UK thingie fair enough, but for normal clan stuff, he is all ours :D

[fknbude]

Originally posted by Mr Footlong
Just a quick thing, if any *any* and I mean *any* person ever tries to poach bude from our actual normal clan, they will have me to deal with, that's just how much we love him ;) UK thingie fair enough, but for normal clan stuff, he is all ours :D

:D

[Njoroge]

Bless :)

i think 1 of our main priorities in the matches at i15 was to prevent Fknbude getting any where near an aircraft

Incidentally the commanet about a main strat being to keep bude out of the sky at i15 was the truth - just FYI ;)

[fknbude]

lol, going out ya way to keep me deed,

no i dont bloody love it :p:

next time ill be hiding :D

[Kinetic]

nah i dont play RTR,tis rather poo IMO :(

[Kinetic]

Originally posted by afty
Bude is one of the better pilots I've come up against, and the fact he isn't ranked speaks volumes.

and the fact he's only played 5 hours is major factor in him not being ranked,BF tracks only ranks the top 10.000 players :)

[Wubster]

I've already told Bude if he leaves the clan he leaves his job :)

He is safe in the hands of {SAS} :)

Wubs

[Kinetic]

hehe nice one wubs :D

he will be forever with the dark side :p:

unless he gets a new job of course

[fknbude]

bloody hell i aint that much of a loss if im not there???

and im bloody usless if my joystick breaks :D

[Baz]

/{SAS clan starts a pool to buy Bude a spare joystick should his ever break

[Wubster]

Wub also decides to keep his on standby for those absolute emergencies :)

And Bude aint ever allowed another job neither, Ill just tell the new employers that he steals from stock :) Hes now owned by the company :)

Wubs

[Baz]

give the chap a raise

[Afty]

Originally posted by fknbude
next time ill be hiding :D

Hiding or dead, we're happy either way ;0

[Jez_Gafys]

load of bull really that stats like the old theclq.com whch rated many player in different games. All it takes is for lets say the door bell or phone to ring you rush down to asnwer to come back and have died several times dropping you position right down or you join a server and lag out and then are totoaly rapped does that make you a bad player, because going by such stats then yes it does!!!


I think many ppl would play better if the netcode was more efficient and ppl actually died from beign shot!

[Catachan]

Originally posted by Njoroge
Bless :)

i think 1 of our main priorities in the matches at i15 was to prevent Fknbude getting any where near an aircraft

Incidentally the commanet about a main strat being to keep bude out of the sky at i15 was the truth - just FYI ;)

That was the sole task given to me in the final of the i15 tournament by the commander :)

[fknbude]

and im not even that good! :p: