Smoking

[TheGuyver]

I know there are a majority of people of smoke at these things... i know its cold out there at this time of year etc. But at i2, esp at night, the air inside was un breathable.

Im not suggesting a ban on smoking inside the building, heck there maybe mod air con there now. but Please can smokers think about the poor people who dont smoke but have to breathe the rest of your excess crap, and go outside during the day... indeed at any time.

PLEASE!

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Thanks

[Phalanx]

I 2nd that!

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[Gecko]

I 3rd it!

[SquireMuldoon]

I concur.

Out of interest, is there any Health and Safety regulation that this kind of event should comply to?

[TheGuyver]

Only fire regs really. like exits should not be covered, enough fire extings etc etc. same for the spacing of the tables.

[[RoD]Oblivion]

Yeah I had to wash my clothes about 20 times before the permanent smoke smell had gone!!So much smoke in i2 that u could hardly see!!

[[ItK]Mad Ad]

where the hell am i going? ppl stinking like a horse after day 1, it sounds as if i need a miners lamp to find my pc thru the smoke, that ill have to clean it with a scraper to remove the nicotine stains .. that is if i dont fuse the network wiv me beer tripping over the sleeping people everywhere.

Whats with the 'smoking' sections? I smoke, not a lot, but i smoke, esp with a pint - and if im in a 'smoking section, dya think me or any others gonna break the game for a quick fag?? nah, we manage that too at the same time, were here to play, smoking is a disgusting habit sure, but were addicted, sorry, go do something to the tobacco companies, im a victim, you too ... anyway if its not fag smoke it sounds like its bo, beer swill, bad breath, ozone from hot pcbs and (hopefully not) fizzeled components.

Quite a strange combination .... what was that about an air freshner sponsor???

[Tezz]

I ..*counts* ..8th that!

[TheGuyver]

lol. now we have 8 votes ...

can we have a general poll wizzo? It was a major problem last time.

[BlueJay]

Well guys got a nice little debate going. For your info there weren't as many smokers as you think at i2. In fact as a result of the surveys which you all filled we are currently reviewing the smoking policy. Watch this space

[Ragefire]

That said - can we not discriminate against the smokers. As a former non-smoker that hated smoking - I see everyone's point. But I have fallen the way of the weed, and ask to be near the door to smoke at night? You ever been a smoker and played games WITHOUT smoking? Can't be done I tell you!

[Rince]

IF this were back in NZ, then it'd be no question, as most (if not ALL) venues for public LANs are smoke-free by law. And now it's just so accepted that the smokers just put up with it and go outside for their fix while they take a break from the gaming.

(Of course as a non-smoker, I prefer smokefree environs http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif )

[Phalanx]

I secon....o wait i've said that!

Please section of the smoking/non-smoking....or if not... public smoking ban inside.....i don't care what smokers say, I'll kill 'em if i have to sit next to one!

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[TLCoder]

I ninth it.

Just an idea, but hey - hire some people to run around with those cool mini vacuum cleaners to suck up all the smoke. Or just have a system cleaning air full blast by every smoker.

Actually, no. Provide a gas mask hire service. People need it anyway for the, er, smell.

[TLCoder]

I ninth it.

Just an idea, but hey - hire some people to run around with those cool mini vacuum cleaners to suck up all the smoke. Or just have a system cleaning air full blast by every smoker.

Actually, no. Provide a gas mask hire service. People need it anyway for the, er, smell.

[Idylla]

I tenth it (tenth=new english word)

I think that people who like to smoke should be put into a seperate room becuase i am allergic to cigaratte smoke due to my asthma so i don't want to be rushed to hospital or something like that when i should be playing games. I think that we should set up a poll.

DTK

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[Thumper]

Why not make them all go outside 2 have a smoke? coz that would seem the only way 2 stop the smoking inside the gaming area.

[Idylla]

Good idea

[Phalanx]

lol DTK... Tenth is NOT a new english word...it's been around for ages http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Xenon Network

phalanx@xenon-network.net
http://www.xenon-network.net

[TheGuyver]

Well ive just arrived home from the sailsbury lan...

Hehe had a good long old chat about the whole smoking thing. Now at Sailsbury there is a Smoking ban inside the Event.

AND it was bloody cold last night 2. but they managed to work with it fine.

But when u have people who might need serious medical attention i dont think there can be any other way. Oh and BTW it is possible to Play computers and smoke. U simply get up and walk away.

Its like being on an aircraft, its just one of those things. better to start now when there is only a small problem, than having some sort of brawl because of it.

It wouldnt be half the problem it is if the windows opened, and doors could be left open. Which then lets in the cold... and actually helps the wonders of Farting.

Now it`ll be a tough choice... put up with hot smoggy smoke, or be freezing cold with a nose full of methane.

anyways im sure They will come up with a solution of some sort. even if there is a devoted smoking arena by the door. so no smooking at the computers.. but also no need to go out side and frezze your nutz off.

[Dirt]

In addition to smoking considerations, can people please keep themselves clean? i2 stank to my nose not so much of smoke as of a couple of hundred people many of whom seemed to think that because they were at a LAN party, personal hygeine was unnecessary. It is not.

[SquireMuldoon]

As yet, I believe scientists have not confirmed a link between lung cancer and BO. Not so for smoking.

While unpleasant, BO is not a health risk and it is unlikely that you will get everyone to wash while at the event. Something can be done about smoking though.

Also, I just thought I'd point out to TheGuyver that methane is in fact an ordourless gas, it is the other.... ahem.... impurities that give farts their distinctive flavour http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[h0mer]

Well I only smoke occasionally, usually with my brothers, but as one will be at I3 with me I guess that makes me a smoker (the first to join this thread I think). I have no problems with smoking outside (as at Salisbury), I can't stand smoking over or at the keyboard anyway. Having said that, for those that might worry about the cold (and rain) could we not have smoking in the area outside the toilets in the corridor seperate to the playing areas (providing the layout is the same as for I2). Need to be careful with the naked flames tho' http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

Just my 2 penneth anyway.
h0mer

[BugAlugs]

The only time h0mer smoke at Salisbury was when I blew him into a thousand bits of body gibs/guts in I3.

[TheGuyver]

LMAO! hehe.

Well when I2 did its little survey (thanks guys!) It showed that less than 50% of people did smoke at all.

The most heavy concertration was the QW`ers.

Mind u, whenever i walked out there is was all ways a screaming match " U ^&"*^&*"£$* PENIS! U LOST THE REDARMOR!!!"

Geez STRESS! hehe. I wonder what they would be like WITHOUT the fags... ( erm i mean ciggarettes!)

[Darius]

Yeah, I was at i2 and all my stuff STANK of smoke. There were only a few people in our Annex bit smoking but it was constant and over the period of 3 days, combined with the B.O. they managed to create quite an effect.

Im not saying people shouldnt be allowed to smoke. Just do it outside or if thats too cold then why doesnt Multiplay set aside a seperate room (Well away from the gaming) for people to go to when they want a fag break. (American's will find that funny)

That way they dont have to be sectioned off from their gaming areas.

[h0mer]

lol@bugs
Do you mean that my @ss was smoked (pretty much constantly http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/wink.gif) or are you referring to the way I had to run away and cry over a ciggy everytime I exploded on the end of your shots http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif
/me goes to practice UT lots for I3
h0mer

[Idylla]

if i want to call tenth a new english word then i will, whether you like it or not!!!

hehe http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

my judgement was a little crowded at the time, i just kicked everyones asses at quake 3 in my first game EVER!!!!!!!

i had 27 frags and the nearest one (out of 6) had 11 frags, theyu were slightly embasrrased to lose so BADLY!

muwhahahahah!.

[Bboy]

As a smoker im not to happy about the prospects of going out in the cold and but...
after many and futile atempts @ giving up the stuff.i know how people must feel,its not healthy and not fair on those who dont but i do think that some consideration for smokers.The idea of a seperate room is very good idea!also by the sounds of it maybe free deodorant!!! =)lol

[Jamester]

The smoking was the one complaint I had about I2. After 3 days of sitting in the airless room, I felt like I was going to cough up a lung, and had to throw away half my clothes because they stank so much.

Solution? Seperate area for the smokers that is well removed from the playing area, or they have to go outside. I know it will be cold and probably ****ty weather, but you guys have a choice as to whether you want to smoke or not. At I2 we had no choice but to breathe it. Actually, providing scuba tanks for the non-smokers would work as well...

The bloke from New Zealand was totally right - this is the only public event in a large area like this I have heard of where smoking is not banned. Apart from pubs and clubs obviously.

So anyway I eleventh (or whatever) it. http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Rince]

Of course I am right - us Kiwis "blokes" (I like that) are always right...... http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif


Now if only I could think of some way of solving this smoking thing with a piece of number 8 wire http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Baj]

Good discusion this.
Im about as ANTI smoking as you can get!, and was a little cheesed at the guys who stood buy the door (inside) at salisbury and casually puffed out in the general direction of the crack in the door, i.e. no effect!

however....i do appreciate, IT WAS FRIGGIN COLD at salisbury, and if there was the room, a smoking area would be much more favourable to them having to go outside...

as long as this 'area' isnt completely open str8 into the gaming area...

smoking in offices is virtually banned nation wide, and why do you think that is....ban it at i3, i dont intend to turn up then leave with ruined clothes, a nasty cough and a headache because of someone else, i just wont attend!

def have a seperate area, what i suggest is mail the List of attendees, get a response, offer them three choices,

a) Smoking allowed anywhere.
b) Smoking only in designated area (indoors)
c) Smoking only in designated area (outdoors)

then gauge your decision on the response of the attendees,

good idea?
Baj



[This message has been edited by Baj (edited 20 January 2000).]

[Rince]

Yeah.... I agree (again)

I hate those smokers that stand at the (open [FFS!]) door thinking that they are justified - you can still smell it, and EVERYONE gets cold!

To add to what I said about public LANs in NZ... the more I think about it, even the private LANs have been smoke-free.... they just go outside. (And Wellington in the winter can be cold (and windy) but its still the accepted thing....

[SquireMuldoon]

Shall we take a poll on wether on not Wizzo should do an e-mail smoking poll? http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

I vote yes!

[TheGuyver]

Well i must say im am mildly supprised...

either a: no smokers read this forum
or b: they are too scared to write here! http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

Im glad i wasnt the only one who felt this way about i2. and i slept at a b&b!!

my clothes stank and i felt very tired and had a headache almost everyday.

TBH a sectioned off area for smoking is all well and good, but it wont get rid of the entire problem, as smoke drifts and fills up the room. At least it would be a start tho.

But then you might get the same problem as with Sailsbury, where people were going into the toilets to smoke.

i think only a complete ban inside the event will be effective.

Cause at the end of the day it`ll be down to the MPUK staff etc to Police this, and tbh i dont want to be the asshole that has to keep going round and telling people to get out side. Esp. if that person is tanked up on red bull and vodka.

Thoughts? Wiz are we covered by a violent act insurance?

[[DT]Hebe]

Yes i am well surprised at the response we get here.
I myself am asthmatic and had to use my inhaler frequently at i2. So i would be pro smoke ban. TheGuyver Dont Worry, i'll be in a red shirt too.. and i dont think they'll raise a hand to a female. And if they do... i spend 2.5 years in the Dutch Royal Army. Let em try ;p



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[wrECK]

ok ok
"either a: no smokers read this forum"

I read it and I am a smoker

"or b: they are too scared to write here! "

No...Not scared...Just cant argue with what has been said about smoking, especially in a large event such as this.

And also....
"heck there maybe mod air con there now"

Well as an air conditioning engineer, I can say that it is not designed to remove the fumes from smokers, but to provide an adequate (hmmm...is that spelling right?.. http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif) air change over a predetermined amount of time.

So, I must remove my disgusting habit out into the cold, as happens not only at events such as this, but now happens in *MOST* work places.
Sorry smokers, but this is the way it is wether you like it or not!

[Big Giant Head]

Do you know apparantly the government is thinking about making smokers work an extra 20 hours a year because of the number of 5 minute cigarrette breaks they take
Completely irrelevent but I found it interesting.
And I'd agree with an inside smoking ban.

[7ths0n]

Ok... smoking... non-smokers...
*sigh*

as a smoker that pretty much pisses me off... what if i don't like someones bad farting habit ? am i going to demand they go outside or go to a sectioned area before they let rip ? what if someone has a bad BO problem ? do i demand they have to go and wash themselves before they sit next to me ?

ok, so most of those examples are different to smoking in one way, they're not bad for your health... but reading this thread i've only noticed a few people actually bothered about their health... most people seem to be more bothered about the smell of their clothes afterwards... or the state of the air in the building...

i2 had 200 odd people right ? less than 50% where smokers... lets say max % of smokers is 49% then... lets assume this is going to be the average for i3... ~50% of 300+ people continously getting up for a cigarette ? you're gonna have a constant stream of ppl walking in out in out in out in out...

I'll grudgingly go to a seperate section within the building but going outside ?

one last thing, wrECK, what air conditioning company do you work for ?...

^7th^

[wrECK]

Which company do I work for?
Is that a genuine question of genuine interest or you think I'm talking out of my arse again (alot would agree with the second option.. http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif)
Ok...So I probably didnt quite go into all the different types of air conditioning possible and the air change thing mainly has to do with large office type air conditioning systems, and not the split type air conditioning systems, but neither is designed to filter-out smoke...They are both designed to control temperature and some, humidity.
But on that note, an air conditioning system will HELP in removing the smoke from the area.

Anyway, I have to agree with 7ths0n in that MOST of the arguements so far have not been based on health but on smells of clothing etc. But the health issue wont go away no-matter what figures you throw at it.
At my work (Large Semiconductor Factory nr Glasgow)there is a NO SMOKING policy on the site apart from a PORTACABIN near the car park, and we are NOT allowed 5 minute breaks for a quick smoke, but are only allowed to smoke during our designated 30 minute breaks (2 off). So they HAVE provided a designated area for us smokers (heating, ventilation etc).
So I would think a designated area would probably be the best option for everyone.
No more cold freezing nicotine addicts!

Therefore back to the original question..Who DO I work for?
Well if you have a genuine interest, mail me.
http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[TheGuyver]

It is all about health. I had a hacking cough for days after, and i didnt sleep inside either!!

The headaches were nasty and frequent and the smell is also an issue.

Wizzo could u publish a true % of smokers at i2?

It is not safe to say that the same % of smokers will be at i3. It maybe be less it maybe more. It is becoming more coman place within compaines and events to banning smoking... Its not something AGAINST smokers in general, but at the end of the day it boils down to the fact that u as a smoker have a choice. We as non smokers dont.

Or shall we allow smoking For everyone, and let the non smokers go out side for a 5 min air break?

[ANNIHILATION]

Well said TheGuyver, we don't have a choice when it comes down to breathing but you (smokers) do have the choice to spark up and kill yourselves, we just have to put up with it!!!

I think that most of the smokers are good people, and would do us (Non-Smokers) the curtesy of going to a seperate room or if this is not possible outside.

Smokers think if you had to go outside to smoke in the cold, you would not go as often, thus you would not be killing yourselves as much!!!
Sounds ok to me, but it would because i am a non-smoker!!!!

[Renegade]

I for would like to see smoking gone from the event cos:

a) i USED to have asthma and inhailing ppls smoke did me no good

b) the stink is awful.... when i came home from i2 my pillow stank of smoke!

c) theres to many pregnant mothers (?) http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

As wrECK and TheGuyver suggest..... a room of some sort for smokers to retreat to after there 0wned by my Instagib Pulse Rifle and need a nicotine (thanks for the spellin wrECK) burst to calm down..... maybe the bar would be a great place? after all that is the Quake2 area again? i know a lot of ppl wouldnt mind all the smoke drifting through the q2 llamas http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif..... well i hope we can work something out

Laters!

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[TheGuyver]

That is a very good point.

Most smokers are decent chaps and wouldnt mind going out side. its the small minority who im gonna be woried about.

[Thumper]

I am a smoker as well and I think it could be arranged 2 have an area just outside the venue 4 people who smoke, In fact as I go to where the venue is a lot I know where there is a designated area. http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

[TheGuyver]

Kewl cheers m8y.

I know wizzo is very busy atm so im sure we`ll hear from him soon.

[Zenith]

Anyone remember the Smokatorium in Judge Dredd? The only building in MegaCity-1 That smoking was allowed in.

That was pretty off topic, but this isn't....

I have this vivid memory of playing my game and someone nearby (can't remember which way) was lighting up often. I was getting almost all the passive smoke and felt pretty green a lot of the time (that could be down to lack of sleep though).

This is an old argument and we're not going to sort it out to everyone's liking. My view is that smoking shouldn't be allowed in the venue. In this case though, my opinion counts for almost nothing.

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[Idylla]

should i set up a poll for this subject?

[ANNIHILATION]

yes dtk plz do this is getting out of hand cause no one is doing ne thing!!!!

[TheGuyver]

Something IS being done.

Unfortunatly the only person who can sanction it isnt here to do so.

BTW Happy Birthday wizzo. Hope the Skiing is fine.

I dont think we need a poll to see the kind of support that this needs because it is already apparent.

Also i would hardly say that all 250 Peeps visit this board. SO the only way to do this is to include it in an email....

Which Only Wizzo can do.

[Idylla]

but surely if wizzo would write something onto the main i3 page about the poll then we would get mor coverage...

please start writing messages onto that new thread, having to come back here is pissing me off...

[7ths0n]

wrECK, my interest for which company you work for comes from the fact that i work for one of the worlds biggest air conditioning companys (or atleast thats what we think!) unfortunately im not on the technical side of things so im not too hot on the workings of a/c., i was just curious because i might have known you http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif but alas, you're in scotland and im Waaaay down south, anyway, on with the subject...

I've been giving it some thought and i (and several other smokers) don't really have a argument. So, no matter what goes I'll stick to it... as long as they will let my outside at 4am when im still awake and gagging for my fix...

just one thing i have to mention though, this doesnt really include me but, what about all the -extremely- hardened smokers ? the type who light up every 10-15 minutes or so ?

Anwyayz

^7th^

[TheGuyver]

Fgs.

Wizzo isnt even in the country. its his birthday and he is skiing off with some mates.
(i am assured that nothing is broken)

as for coming back here each time?? huh??

Ever heard of bookmark??

Anyways nowt will be done for a week at least. So no matter How many calls for polls, new threads we start it wont do a thing. drop it for now as from the support already generated its pointless continuing.

[Say_Ten]

Well for those ones that have to light up every 10 - 15 minutes you could always give them what soldering irons need. He he. Have a little pipe over the back of the hand which goes to extract the fumes and pump them outside }:-):

Not serious option but you can't be serious all the time!



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[onehunglo]

well people with big mouths piss me off as do people who fart alot...so do people who moan alot not to mention those who fu**ing whine all the time ...i tell you what lets ban everyone and all stay at home...com on guys who really gives a witches tit ...
and yes ..for the record i do smoke but i dont care if i have to sit on the roof and have a fag. i just think the whole discussion is getting a little out of hand ...whats next ,people complaining cos they have to sit next to a fat dude ,,,ahhh com on!!

[SquireMuldoon]

And thats another thing!

Fat people really piss me off......

....Oh ****! I am one http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[TheGuyver]

lol squire.

Here here onehunglo. (or not so low as i know u to be :P )

Lets drop the whole smoking thing untill we can have an official say on it.

[onehunglo]

and so say all of us...horay!!! what ever wizzo decides im sure that no one will object to strongly to...

...and squire i dont seem to remember being fat slowing you down at salisbury ..in fact my ass is still sore from the rape http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[SquireMuldoon]

Oooooeeerrrr! http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/redface.gif)

[BugAlugs]

Yes

[TheGuyver]

What u saying yes to bugs? the butt rape? (i.e u were jelous that Squire didnt do u) or to my comments??

[jase]

******** to all of you side liners

BAN SMOKING !!!

My clothes stank, my computer stank, and my friends stank.....

What more is there to say.

im healthy, and hope to stay that way. Its a NO SMOKING policy at all large public events now,
so i say

NO to SMOKING

[Honkie[USA]]

Army Sharmy, that doesen't make you a super woman Hebe, and come on, Dutch Army? http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

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If your balls hang and you bang with the gang then tell me how your down with the clown....

[onehunglo]

jase!!...you are a fat smelly knacker anyhow......BAN JASONS SOCKS PHEW!!!

And btw it seems to be that a lot of the people moaning havnt even paid for i3 yet, which means that, they are trying to influence an event that they might not even go to (jason.. aka judas, smelly socks)

Pay your money dudes ...then you deserve to vote or comment...til then ZIP IT!!!


[This message has been edited by onehunglo (edited 25 January 2000).]

[7ths0n]

my cheque went in the post this morning http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

^7th^

[Say_Ten]

Maybe they should give out free Odour Eaters at these things instead of name tags? That might help with the smelly socks...

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[jase]

Looks guys and dolls,
it dont matter how much we bicker between ourselves, when push comes to shove, Wizzo will have to make the decision, and only him!!

so..... whats it gonna be WIZZO ?


and You have no room to speak about my feet, onehunglo, your arse more then makes up for my feet, and your snoring... well that just takes the piss.
I think your gonna have to find somebody else to sleep with from now on.

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[Wizzo]

Right guys... the long awaited decision http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif.

Smoking is to be banned in the main arenas at the event. It was one of the main issues raised by many people as an area of improvement. No air conditioning can handle some of the chain smoking that was going on at i2.

We will try our best to sort out an additional room/separate area for smokers to go and have a cigarette, but if the worst comes to the worst they'll just have to go outside.

If anyone has any serious objections to this, then please let me know.

Cheers,

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Multiplay UK

wizzo@multiplay.co.uk
http://www.multiplay.co.uk
ICQ: 3170276

[TLCoder]

w00p!!

"Smoking or non-smoking?" :]

[Idylla]

I agree with Wizzo's decision!

My asthma couldn't cope with 2 whole days of smoking, it can barely last for 2 minutes.

At least i'll be able to concentrate on playing and not on taking my inhaler...

The poll also appears to agree with your decision Wizzo...

[[ItK]Mad Ad]

is it a wonder smokers dont wanna post? first its slightly a minority occupation population wise, so any vote is biased towards the general public and just tries to legitimise rough treatment suggested towards ppl who probably would stop if they could and second, all i see is the non smokers wanting to boot them outside for unspoken pennance for being uncontrollably addicted to said nicotine. Thanks for the understanding NS'ers. Generally smokers understand its not something everyone likes and i see a couple offering to look for a solution for both parties - thats what we all want isnt it?

lets look at it objectivly. If out of an event for 300 ppl, if 45% are smokers, then by fair rights and equity to all, 45% of whatever room space there is should be allowed to be smoked in and 55% should be smoke free. Since real world smoke does move around, if say 10-15% of the room, with a buffer area for dispersion ie near the bar, or a 24hr area around it. I just cant belive in a function hall with a bar, they havent provided ANY air filtration systems, ppl smoke most with a beer and footy supporters drink beer by the gallon.

Any medical objections to the smoke could be seated in the furthest area from the smoking % and everyone has the best of both worlds.

Ok so some non smokers might get a whiff of smoke from time to time, but as all our rights as individuals should have equal consideration, and we have the tolerance of haveing to move to a 15% area to do so, fairs fair, and NOT outside, nor even a separate room.

However, just to show im considering all options, lets look at a 'go outside' scenario

assuming 320 players, staff and support, if 45% smoke then thats 144 people. Some smoke 20 some smoke 10 a day, the average uk is about 15 so thats what ill use.

144ppl wanting their average dose of nicotine will produce 2160 trips per day outside for smoking ONLY also assuming a 16hours waking/8 hrs sleep pattern which is a bit conservative i hear. So is it 1. fair to make so many ppl go to that extent 2. realistic to have all that many ppl going in and out, do you get gategrashers at these events? an outside smoking policy is a sure way for a non name taken local thief to sneak in in the flow of ppl. R we smokers to be tagged? 2160 tags a day to issue or force us all to wear wristbands? the non smokers will love that invasion of their privacy for our habit i bet http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif oh and not to mention all the interest of the locals and police if large bunches of young half beered lads r hanging around smoking ALL weekend outside the Conference center.

But in the shared room scenario, the 2160 ppls trips would be to an inner area, with no one bottleneck or area of disruption or security breach.

The 'separate room' scenario - ok, so to keep the NS pampered noses totally free of any slightest whiff of smoke a separate room would also be fine for me imho, but anyway, assuming 2160 trips, providing the access will stand one ingoing every 40 seconds on average, there will be only 15 ppl smoking at any one time but 24/7, assuming fag visits at the industry recognised 10 mins and an even distribution of ppls smoking times. Now that last factor will be the most variable in practical application, with a smokers huddle of 25 maybe at times(a guess, sod calculating the standard deviation), so wizzo m8, the room needs to be fairly well seated and sized and aired doubly since the smoke will be focussed there, no smaller than 20x20 foot.

anything ive forgotten? http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif heh heh, arent mathematical models great.

[[WTc]Hebe]

Well,

If we were seated in NS and S area's that post may be relevant. But since the venue will be devided in Games areas (ie UT, Tribes, Q3a etc) you have them all mixed. so the seperate thing is not gonna work. Math is great but real life aint that easy. As a NS i cant help it your addicted to smoking (which is a hazerdous thing) but i dont think i should be a victim of that habit. I am asthmatic and at i2 i had loads of problems with my health. The venue isnt in a very public area (back of a footballstadium)so standing outside wont be noticed that much (espacially not in the weekend).

So back to the drawing board with ya...


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[SquireMuldoon]

So Mad, did you do the mathematical model for the Millenium Dome queueing systems? http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

Aside from making some gross assumptions you are missing the point. Smoking is a proven health risk, and no-one should be subjected to it against their will.

Experience from i2, wether you believe it or not, prooves that whatever air filtration system they have, it is incapable of handling the smoke.

I sorry, but campaining for the 'smokers rights' just isn't going to work because there is no legitimate excuse.

Please dont get me wrong, I am not normally so hard core anti-smoking, but considering I'll be there for nearly 60 consecutive hours I fell quite strongly about this, and it doesn't matter how many 'considerate' smokers there are, take into account the age and disposition of your average attending smoker, and I'll guarantee there will be plenty of inconsiderate ones!

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[[ItK]Mad Ad]

queuing systems are a further step, we could maybe work out the Lq of a room too small to fit the smokers, but we would have to set a lot more variables in stone to achieve that, say if the room was a known small size THEN we are cooking with some serious poisson http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

hey anyway, i was bored, and all ive done is offered alternatives - and taken more than 2 mins thinking about them - sure the shared room is impractical, but it was mainly to point out as a group, smokers have a right to be considered in the same proportions as they represent, about 45% of the entry money is paid by smokers. As i pointed out, smokers at least consider both sides of the argument and seek an alternative happy for both parties, and are prepared to get off their butts and go to a separate area to make a clean environment for what? the 'hangem high' attitude of the group they recieve the one sided vitriol from who care of nothing more than their own pampered nose.

So, the real use of what flopped off the drawing board is that the multiplay guys know how big a side room they are looking for roughly, based on actual calculations, averaged of course, but as in all areas, application is slightly different and that has been allowed for.

Also a few knock on problems of an outside rule were mentioned, of course smoking participants dont care about the organisational challenges for the MP crew either, just boot the bloody smokers out, rah rah lol.

I dont see a 'new pcb' ban? a special area where new eqipment can release its ozone safely, hey if any of u non smokers fit a new mobo, im gonna sue your ass for creating a health risk near me http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

So has anyone anything positive to add or is it back to the 'hang the smokers' comments? (or hang me for speaking up for them more like)



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[Say_Ten]

I won't bash you, I'm a non-smoker and was trying to view this objectivly. At the end of the day smoking is a proved health hazard and it spreads out. No one should be forced to breath a health hazard so really the only option is to remove the hazard. Whether it should be banned ot not is irrelavent now just the logistics of it }:-):

Don't worry I got narky comments for not getting stressed about it too }:-):

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[TLCoder]

45%?

Somehow, I don't think so. Someone do an objective poll on this... And if they're 2160 "visits" a day, with that ridiculous percentage, and each one takes 3 minutes, then that's about 9 people standing around outside. And I doubt people are going to spend a precious 6 minutes an hour away from their computer just for a smoke.

It's all very well saying that smokers have rights, but hey. So do the rest of us. :]

[TheGuyver]

Hmm when i started this topic, i did so in the attempt to gain peoples reaction to the whole smoking issue.

This isnt a case "if u smoke dont bother coming to i3"

But at i2 IT WAS a problem. You guys have a choice in the matter. If smoking was allowed in this venue it would mean removing the choice of, yes, the majority.

As i said before should we make it all smoking... and then the non smokers get Clean Air breaks?

Bear in mind alot of "youngish" children come here.. there is that image to consider. this decission wasnt made over night, and it wasnt an easy dicission. It was weighed up with all the factors, not just the majority.

We are trying our best to get a room set aside for smokers... U cannot just have smokers and non-smokers in the same playing area it simply doesnt work...... Unless u have extraction fans, not just air con, it wont work!

The problem is that this sort of thing is becoming the norm for events like this.

even some of the smokers are in agree ment about this.... Most smokers are ok and will abide by these rules and even understand the non smokers predicument, unfortunatly some arnt.

Im affraid it`ll have tobe something you`ll live with. In a few weeks time an Email will be sent out to every paying member about the rules and regs of this event.

[Idylla]

hmmmmm...

45% smokers?

thats a very big percentage...

anyone know what it was more realisticly like (at I2)

do we want a poll now about the amount of smokers and the amount of non-smokers?

someone obviously didn't take the poll seriously when they said: All the non smokers should go outside when the smokers want to smoke...

[Apex]

Controversial? Moi?

Has anyone else noticed how it's all the non smokers who are the sickly types with asthma?
Maybe you guys should take up smoking ... it'll strenghthen those lungs http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/wink.gif

_DISCLAMER_
Please take this post in the way it was intended (as a joke!).

P.S. As a smoker I'd be happy to go outside for my fix ... heck, it's what I have to do at work every day.

[Idylla]

Haha very funny...

[Wizzo]

Ever seen what smoke can do to a severe asthmatic? Bad joke m8!

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Multiplay UK

wizzo@multiplay.co.uk
http://www.multiplay.co.uk
ICQ: 3170276

[Sanguine]

i'm have asthma and smoke and i know what it is doing to me http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/frown.gif

but it is v.hard to stop , i should know , i've tried about 6 times to stop and failed

is the bar area no-smoking ?

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[Idylla]

A very bad joke...

I have asthma and the tiniest bit of smoke makes me cough like crazy and sometimes have an asthma attack...

[Wizzo]

There will be a blanket no smoking policy in the arenas of the event. If people wish to smoke, then they will have to go outside, or to a deisgnated smoking area if we can sort one out. This would be a separate room.

Highlander m8... you really should make a concerted effort to quit. Smoking when you are an asthmatic is like driving down the wrong side of the road... you can get away with it for so long but sooner or later... http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/frown.gif. In addition to the dramatically increased risks of Heart Disease, Hypertension, Stroke and Cancer, you also run the risk of worsening you asthmatic condition and/or triggering a severe, even life-threatening asthma attack.

Your GP will probably have told you this a thousand times already, and if you're like the majority of smokers most of it will just go in one ear and out the other. However, there are some excellent support programmes out there these days, so if you are serious about quitting there is help for you to do it. I'd suggest you go back to your GP and ask about the support available in your area, or even phone that number being advertised on TV.

Anyway, lecture over... I'll take my white coat off now. It's the weekend as well... shocking! http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

Cheers,

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Craig "Wizzo" Fletcher
Multiplay UK

wizzo@multiplay.co.uk
http://www.multiplay.co.uk
ICQ: 3170276

[jase]

is there a fee for your medical advice wiz ?

if not, i have this problem with my left testicle, for some reason it just wont .....

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[onehunglo]

ohhhh! suits you sir!

wizzo your not really gonna play with his knackers are you?????

that would seem to be taking the MPUK hospitality a bit to far. Still, whatever trips ypur switch http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Wizzo]

hehehe... no fee for my informal advice atm http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif. As for a problem with testicles, it's an important area as testicular cancer is one of the most common cancers in men... yet often it's their partners who notice it before they do http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif.

As for an examination... I'd be happy to practise it... got an exam on physical examination in the summer so need all the practice I can get http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Multiplay UK

wizzo@multiplay.co.uk
http://www.multiplay.co.uk
ICQ: 3170276

[Sanguine]

trouble is , the place where i work nearly all the staff smoke like chimneys and i have asked if we could ban smoking in our returant but without the smokers in our resturant we would lose about 40% of our customers but saying that we could easily get back customers with being non-smoking but the managment wouldn't do it http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/frown.gif

if someone i knew , who wanted to stop, i'd join up with him/her to make a concentrated effort to stop but no one does want to stop

i thank ya for advice but the only one who can make the discision is moi but at the mo, i'm happy as a smoker

yes my gp and my asthma nurse go on at me to stop but as you say , it goes in one ear and out the other. my mum used to be a nurse and she has seen asthmatic smokers dieing in a lot of pain , and i mean a lot of pain !!!!.

i need to think about everything before i decide to stop but i am being drawn towards giving up but it will take me time to reach the discision but i will make it

[Sanguine]

trouble is , the place where i work nearly all the staff smoke like chimneys and i have asked if we could ban smoking in our returant but without the smokers in our resturant we would lose about 40% of our customers but saying that we could easily get back customers with being non-smoking but the managment wouldn't do it http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/frown.gif

if someone i knew , who wanted to stop, i'd join up with him/her to make a concentrated effort to stop but no one does want to stop

i thank ya for advice but the only one who can make the discision is moi but at the mo, i'm happy as a smoker

yes my gp and my asthma nurse go on at me to stop but as you say , it goes in one ear and out the other. my mum used to be a nurse and she has seen asthmatic smokers dieing in a lot of pain , and i mean a lot of pain !!!!.

i need to think about everything before i decide to stop but i am being drawn towards giving up but it will take me time to reach the discision but i will make it

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[Sanguine]

ooooppppppsssss

sorry about the double post http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/biggrin.gif

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[TheGuyver]

lol!

Obviously your signiture/Tag Line doesnt apply to your posts http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

[Sanguine]

lol msas rofl

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Lo
heh Hmmm wizzo glad to c that ne smokin is outside http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif wot about if yer rubbed hard enuff? could u smoke then? heheh
And to think som peeps think it's ok to smoke in a restaurant? wher food is present etc...
talk about bad hygene http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif
as regards to yer medical examinators thingy wizzo : ne females goin to i3?
I'm a trainee gynaecologist http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif I've no experience and I can't promise nething but I'll take a look heheh http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

bet u heard that 1 a thousand times eh wizzo?
cyas soooony @i3
SLoB

[Wizzo]

ROFL... I was doing Obs & Gynae last week http://www.multiplay.org/ubb/smile.gif

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Craig "Wizzo" Fletcher
Multiplay UK

wizzo@multiplay.co.uk
http://www.multiplay.co.uk
ICQ: 3170276